Keith weller

[Countryfox]

Very very sad for everyone involved ...  His family and the victims ....   We'll never know for sure the absolute truth but deep down I think everyone will probably come to the same conclusion.

[Guest Bob Hazels shorts]

Being dead and tried by today's standards is mad. Has to be a cut off point at some point as in the states I believe. Reading about a celebrity chef who was accused of indecency for touching up a 15 year old waitress in 1996.

It went to trial and hew was cleared as he only kissed her on the lips whilst alone in his office NYE midnight...well that's alright then!

Roll on 30 years and he would've been found guilty. IMO

[Ecdysiast]

Heart-broken to hear of these hideous allegations against one of my all-time favourite players.

Proof at this distance and time is tough to find, but it takes a lot of courage to come out and discuss these issues - even today, and apparently these issues date back many, many years and have been raised on several occasions previously. 

Condolences to all connected with the story, the victims/accusers, the player's family connections, whether guilty or not. Shame on any clubs and authorities that didn't act appropriately at the time(s).

May we never hear the like again - 

 

[sylofox]

I can accept it takes years to come out.

But the victims did it 12yrs ago. No evidence found. I think right or wrong this is wrong. He can't even defend himself on one or two claims. To me the claims against the met.

 

He will always be my hero.

[Kendal Fox]

The version of events by the first accuser seems very sketchy to me. Unless I misread, it seems like she is accusing him of blindfolding her, but not actually doing anything to her, then when she took the blindfold off, (after he apparently told her not to) she suspects he was "adjusting himself" but didn't actually see him doing so... Very odd. Then the 2nd person claims he abused her when he was'nt even in the UK, pretty sure that could be backed up by his Wife, daughters and U.S. records, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm loathe to dismiss sexual abuse (or any abuse for that matter) but only if it actually happened. Also, one of the women says she decided to come forward again after the recent stories broke of the historical football sexual abuse cases. But that was Coaches abusing young footballers, NOT footballers abusing women/girls?! Surely the relevant trigger for them would have been when the Savile case emerged - 5 years ago.?? Unless it's the tabloids only printing certain quotes, this doesn't really make sense..

On a sidenote, if I really wanted to, I'm pretty sure I could make a case against an old teacher - a woman - who I believe abused me, physically and emotionally, when I was 5 - 6 years old, back in Leicestershire. The reason I haven't is because she treated quite a few of the other boys the same way and they've no doubt grown up thinking they deserved it for being naughty and that it was normal - like I did for a while. Put it this way, if this had been a male teacher now, behaving in the same way, he'd probably be fired and sent to jail. Can't help thinking feminism is mixed up in all of this, but I digress...

 

[sly1]

O dear

[dynamark]

Two words - boy scouts .Not making excuses for any abuse but most of us have been in scouts/church choir/boys brigade /very familiar teachers including sports activities/swimming.

List goes on and if we all think back yes there was always one dodgy person.Hopefully now not so prevelant but sadly true.

[fuchsntf]

14 hours ago, Kendal Fox said:

The version of events by the first accuser seems very sketchy to me. Unless I misread, it seems like she is accusing him of blindfolding her, but not actually doing anything to her, then when she took the blindfold off, (after he apparently told her not to) she suspects he was "adjusting himself" but didn't actually see him doing so... Very odd. Then the 2nd person claims he abused her when he was'nt even in the UK, pretty sure that could be backed up by his Wife, daughters and U.S. records, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm loathe to dismiss sexual abuse (or any abuse for that matter) but only if it actually happened. Also, one of the women says she decided to come forward again after the recent stories broke of the historical football sexual abuse cases. But that was Coaches abusing young footballers, NOT footballers abusing women/girls?! Surely the relevant trigger for them would have been when the Savile case emerged - 5 years ago.?? Unless it's the tabloids only printing certain quotes, this doesn't really make sense..

On a sidenote, if I really wanted to, I'm pretty sure I could make a case against an old teacher - a woman - who I believe abused me, physically and emotionally, when I was 5 - 6 years old, back in Leicestershire. The reason I haven't is because she treated quite a few of the other boys the same way and they've no doubt grown up thinking they deserved it for being naughty and that it was normal - like I did for a while. Put it this way, if this had been a male teacher now, behaving in the same way, he'd probably be fired and sent to jail. Can't help thinking feminism is mixed up in all of this, but I digress...

 

Sort of lines up with how I am looking at it...

But truelly in his defence, age, concept or perspective, and timing seem to negate,the Actual accusations Put forward.

Then again its only the base and ground accusations I suppose, that the media have got hold of and reporting..

We as a society are now warey, to push aside any complaints.Its the shock or Cynical realisation and acceptance

that the Cases from the 60s and 70s threw at our feet...Saville and the rest of the promi guilty brigade, left an easy

Platform, for others to misuse and abuse as would be victims,and then again Unfortunately

create natural doubts protecting the guilty...

Both sides have easy arguments to Start off with.. 

 

Thats why...innocent until proved guilty without doubt...Mud sticking, not in my soul, but this Society Needs it seems its "kyle show"  or soap entertainments. One day we will mature.!!

 

[Guest]

Will put a whole new meaning on going to the keith weller lounge

[fuchsntf]

50 minutes ago, dynamark said:

Two words - boy scouts .Not making excuses for any abuse but most of us have been in scouts/church choir/boys brigade /very familiar teachers including sports activities/swimming.

List goes on and if we all think back yes there was always one dodgy person.Hopefully now not so prevelant but sadly true.

Therein lies the danger...why shouldnt it be so prevelant today...every new generation has its own little shits..

Sex and power abuse, doesnt slink off into an easy Old demented mythology. Turn your tv on and watch the News

The orgy of sexual and power lust in all its guises is swimming along just as nicely as when the Greeks, Macedonions,

and Romans were shouting and poncing the odds over their own civilisations.

Amazing how some people believe their days on the planet  are the start and  creation of true innocence and justice..

[WoodyFox]

Disgusting.. wouldn't be surprised if the club remove all traces of him from the club. 

[fuchsntf]

15 minutes ago, WoodyFox said:

Disgusting.. wouldn't be surprised if the club remove all traces of him from the club. 

Why..

[Leamington Fox]

On 9 January 2017 at 07:04, srbfox said:

They would get a nice sum from the CPS for failure to investigate the first time round 

I doubt it.  In any event, the CPS did not exist in the 70s.

[Kendal Fox]

2 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

Sort of lines up with how I am looking at it...

But truelly in his defence, age, concept or perspective, and timing seem to negate,the Actual accusations Put forward.

Then again its only the base and ground accusations I suppose, that the media have got hold of and reporting..

We as a society are now warey, to push aside any complaints.Its the shock or Cynical realisation and acceptance

that the Cases from the 60s and 70s threw at our feet...Saville and the rest of the promi guilty brigade, left an easy

Platform, for others to misuse and abuse as would be victims,and then again Unfortunately

create natural doubts protecting the guilty...

Both sides have easy arguments to Start off with.. 

 

Thats why...innocent until proved guilty without doubt...Mud sticking, not in my soul, but this Society Needs it seems its "kyle show"  or soap entertainments. One day we will mature.!!

 

Agree with you, it has definitely opened things up for people on either end to exploit, no doubt about that.

Like I said, I don't want to condone any form of abuse, if he is guilty and it is proved beyond doubt then of course justice (however that might be administered given that Weller is no longer here??) should be served.

 

But, as you also allude to, this "trial by media" thing has a lot to answer for. It simply adds to things and puts the families on both sides through even more trauma and it's not going to lead to happiness for anyone either.

[Strokes]

Not guilty

[weller54]

3 hours ago, WoodyFox said:

Disgusting.. wouldn't be surprised if the club remove all traces of him from the club. 

Better change my user name? 

[Out Foxed]

4 hours ago, dynamark said:

Two words - boy scouts .Not making excuses for any abuse but most of us have been in scouts/church choir/boys brigade /very familiar teachers including sports activities/swimming.

List goes on and if we all think back yes there was always one dodgy person.Hopefully now not so prevelant but sadly true.

Don't kid yourself. It's on an industrial scale nowadays. Look into the Clinton Foundation and Dyncorp and what they've been up to in Bosnia, Afghanistan and Haiti and go from there. 

[old koppite]

23 hours ago, sylofox said:

I can accept it takes years to come out.

But the victims did it 12yrs ago. No evidence found. I think right or wrong this is wrong. He can't even defend himself on one or two claims. To me the claims against the met.

 

He will always be my hero.

Mine too

[st albans fox]

5 hours ago, WoodyFox said:

Disgusting.. wouldn't be surprised if the club remove all traces of him from the club. 

What is disgusting woody ?

[Sampson]

Think some of the over-defensiveness of this thread, though understandable, is pretty vile.

 

People accusing the women of just jumping on the money is pretty disgusting. What money are the actually going to get from this? Victims aren't going to come forward and get famous or get publicity and neither is Weller well known enough to gain infamy (who got famous from being a victim of Saville or Harris? No one of course).

 

And if you're talking about getting money if he's found guilty then wtf? How are you actually shaming the victim for that for coming forward even if the incentive is financial, at least that's finaly forced them to come forward after being abused rather than having to feel like they keep it quiet ffs. This can only be a good thing for our society - when rape victims aren't shamed into not wanting to come forward for fear of being labelled "moneygrabbers",

 

And neither is this an open and shut case like some are trying to make out because it was brought to light before, the article (and others) clearly state the reason it's being re-opened is because Scotland Yard mishandled the case. It hasn't been re-opened for no resaon and without cause.

 

Of course, he's innocent until proven guilty, but that also doesn't mean you can start accusing the defendents of being money grabbing lucksters when you also know nothing about their side of the story.

 

I hope for all involved he's found innocent, but if it is shown to have happened beyond reasonable doubt then of course he should be condemned and the club should stop celebrating him as an iconic figure. Some things are more important than football ffs.

 

You can defend the player until the case happens but that doesn't mean you can attack the defendant ffs.

[WoodyFox]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

What is disgusting woody ?

Really

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

Think some of the over-defensiveness of this thread, though understandable, is pretty vile.

 

People accusing the women of just jumping on the money is pretty disgusting. What money are the actually going to get from this? Victims aren't going to come forward and get famous or get publicity and neither is Weller well known enough to gain infamy (who got famous from being a victim of Saville or Harris? No one of course).

 

And if you're talking about getting money if he's found guilty then wtf? How are you actually shaming the victim for that for coming forward even if the incentive is financial, at least that's finaly forced them to come forward after being abused rather than having to feel like they keep it quiet ffs. This can only be a good thing for our society - when rape victims aren't shamed into not wanting to come forward for fear of being labelled "moneygrabbers",

 

And neither is this an open and shut case like some are trying to make out because it was brought to light before, the article (and others) clearly state the reason it's being re-opened is because Scotland Yard mishandled the case. It hasn't been re-opened for no resaon and without cause.

 

Of course, he's innocent until proven guilty, but that also doesn't mean you can start accusing the defendents of being money grabbing lucksters when you also know nothing about their side of the story.

 

I hope for all involved he's found innocent, but if it is shown to have happened beyond reasonable doubt then of course he should be condemned and the club should stop celebrating him as an iconic figure. Some things are more important than football ffs.

 

You can defend the player until the case happens but that doesn't mean you can attack the defendant ffs.

To be fair

I dont think, anybody who   posted, have taken sides. Many I would agree would prefer that there is no truth in the accusations, but that doesnt mean they will believe blindly

 

The media reporting of it, upset some.The reported base accusations, were exactly that basic , where because of peoples/fans knowledge

of his life and his movement at the time, thrown up  somewhat questionable Points. 

Within that scope, people will question or put forward various and mitigating ideas or thoughts and indeed interpretations not of the case Itself but how it will be perceived

 from various movements from both sides, that will misuse the case for their own purposes.

 

I totally agree with your last sentence, but I think posters were not attacking anybody but putting forward their ideas, of what might as they see it  be happening...

 

This is a forum, and on such issues, many just want to Vie and share their thoughts, ideas, presumptions, but still hold their right to end judgement.

[Jimothy]

7 hours ago, Sampson said:

Think some of the over-defensiveness of this thread, though understandable, is pretty vile.

 

People accusing the women of just jumping on the money is pretty disgusting. What money are the actually going to get from this? Victims aren't going to come forward and get famous or get publicity and neither is Weller well known enough to gain infamy (who got famous from being a victim of Saville or Harris? No one of course).

 

And if you're talking about getting money if he's found guilty then wtf? How are you actually shaming the victim for that for coming forward even if the incentive is financial, at least that's finaly forced them to come forward after being abused rather than having to feel like they keep it quiet ffs. This can only be a good thing for our society - when rape victims aren't shamed into not wanting to come forward for fear of being labelled "moneygrabbers",

 

And neither is this an open and shut case like some are trying to make out because it was brought to light before, the article (and others) clearly state the reason it's being re-opened is because Scotland Yard mishandled the case. It hasn't been re-opened for no resaon and without cause.

 

Of course, he's innocent until proven guilty, but that also doesn't mean you can start accusing the defendents of being money grabbing lucksters when you also know nothing about their side of the story.

 

I hope for all involved he's found innocent, but if it is shown to have happened beyond reasonable doubt then of course he should be condemned and the club should stop celebrating him as an iconic figure. Some things are more important than football ffs.

 

You can defend the player until the case happens but that doesn't mean you can attack the defendant ffs.

One thing. It would seems it's been reopened because the police failed to talk to Weller at the time of the allegations. I'm not sure reopening it now is really going to help seeing as they can't rectify that error. It should have been dealt with properly 15 years ago, it wasn't, as unfortunate as it would be for them not to see justice done in reality the police have just got to hold their hands up apologise for the **** up and move on, because as hard as that'll be for the accuser, dragging his name through the mud is going to be hard for his family.

[katieakita]

Trial by Daily Mail again, with what little facts they actually published this implies his guilt but could easily been written suggesting his innocence, having never been interviewed and the CPS stating there was insufficient evidence for the prospect of a conviction not sure what a further investigation can reveal other than a change in procedures for the MET. He is not around to clear his name and defend himself and if there was no evidence then cannot see what can come to light to prove his innocence or guilt.  

[SheppyFox]

LIES