Blizzard Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 These are things our team is lacking. They need a 200% increase from where currently are to recover PL position. It seems to me they took for granted this season was going to go well. Just saw the Derby Game. Looks like Liverpool are out of the cup. Wolves 21% possession. Wolves won out of desire.
StanSP Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 1) it was there at times yesterday 2) no such thing as 200% increase. 3) Wolves haven't won yet.
Brainy Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 Just now, StanSP said: 1) it was there at times yesterday 2) no such thing as 200% increase. 3) Wolves haven't won yet. 1) it was there at all times last season 2) yes 3) yes they have
bovril Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 8 minutes ago, StanSP said: 1) it was there at times yesterday 2) no such thing as 200% increase. 3) Wolves haven't won yet. 1) Agree 2) Wrong 3) They have now
StanSP Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 Just now, Walkers said: 1) it was there at all times last season 2) yes 3) yes they have 1) are we talking about last season? no. 2) 100% is the max you can offer. 3) at the time the topic was made, they hadn't won yet.
Brainy Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 Just now, StanSP said: 1) are we talking about last season? no. 2) 100% is the max you can offer. 3) at the time the topic was made, they hadn't won yet. 1) how is it not relevant? last year we went at it 100%, this year it's not been like that and it is a big shame 2) i wasn't disagreeing with you in the first place although I think 110% is possible 3) well they have won now so he was quite correct, so delete your 3rd point
sheffield_fox Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 I don't wanna be that guy but a 200% increase is totally possible. It just means that they would be working twice as hard as they are at the moment. I'd say a 1000% percent improvement is called for at the moment tbh
bovril Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 4 minutes ago, sheffield_fox said: I don't wanna be that guy but a 200% increase is totally possible. It just means that they would be working twice as hard as they are at the moment. 3 times?
sheffield_fox Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 2 minutes ago, bovril said: 3 times? You're right actually. Because it's an extra 200% on top of what they're already doing. Anyone else care to comment on what percentage increase they think is necessary for each of passion, desire, belief and effort?
Ted Maul Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 As poor as we were yesterday, we actually went out and attacked them second half and fought to the end. There were promising signs. There's just zero confidence throughout the team- no one wants the ball, so often players have no option than to pump it long or go backwards/sideways. Riyad gave us another dimension- wanted to get involved, and put in some beautiful touches and through balls. If he's firing for the second half of the season, we'll stay up no matter how shite the rest of them are. There's still a few concerns though- Vardy still looks disinterested (granted, he gets little service and he did actually break into a sprint once or twice and win some Headers last night). Drinkwater's form is worrying- he's had some absolute stinkers recently. Defence really needs some work too. We do seem to be losing less away now though. Southampton aside, our last matches have see us draw at Stoke with 10 men, get a comfortable (if totally uninspiring) draw at Middlesbrough, win at Everton and draw at Derby with a late equaliser. Hopefully we can kick on, it will only take a couple of wins to drag ourselves out of it.
J.Lisemore Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 Stupid to say we didn't put the effort in yesterday, of course we did. We didn't even play that badly, we just didn't take our chances.
Thracian Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 Passion, desire, belief, effort .... I'd say we ticked all those boxes yesterday as reflected in our last gasp equaliser. For once in my life I wished there was extra time because I thought Derby were absolutely drained and there was no reason we couldn't have finished the game with emphasis. Vardy's the only player I'd question in terms of attitude as others have already suggested. And while too many people seem to be belittling last night's effort, rather than perhaps crediting Derby for playing their hearts out, they should try being Liverpool fans after today's defeat against Wolves and a run of results in January that must seem like a nightmare.
AKCJ Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 All of that was there last night. What let us down was a seriously alarming lack of quality in defence and finishing.
Max Wall Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 32 minutes ago, StanSP said: 1) it was there at times yesterday 2) no such thing as 200% increase. 3) Wolves haven't won yet. Are you sure? If you earn 20,000 one year and 60,000 the next, what is your percentage increase?
Max Wall Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 3 minutes ago, AKCJ said: All of that was there last night. What let us down was a seriously alarming lack of quality in defence and finishing. I agree 200%
Max Wall Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 20 minutes ago, sheffield_fox said: You're right actually. Because it's an extra 200% on top of what they're already doing. Anyone else care to comment on what percentage increase they think is necessary for each of passion, desire, belief and effort? As much as possible, as much as possible, as much as possible and as much as possible. Hope that's clear.
thegaffa Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 I thought this was the answer, and what is the question(like jeopardy game). i thought I knew it, the question was, "things that have gone from Vardy's game this season?" My mistake.
Izzy Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 37 minutes ago, Fox92 said: What's up with everyone commenting in lists. 1. I don't know 2. It looks odd 3. I certainly won't be doing it
Kitchandro Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 1 hour ago, Thracian said: Passion, desire, belief, effort .... I'd say we ticked all those boxes yesterday as reflected in our last gasp equaliser. For once in my life I wished there was extra time because I thought Derby were absolutely drained and there was no reason we couldn't have finished the game with emphasis. Vardy's the only player I'd question in terms of attitude as others have already suggested. And while too many people seem to be belittling last night's effort, rather than perhaps crediting Derby for playing their hearts out, they should try being Liverpool fans after today's defeat against Wolves and a run of results in January that must seem like a nightmare. Yeh I'd hate to be not in a relegation battle like Liverpool. Expectations have dropped massively because these players aren't living up to them. All season long we've been telling them it's ok to be crap. Apathy has ruined our season.
walkerleeds Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 Christ almighty chill out. We really weren't that bad last night against an in form lower league side clearly up for an upset. Positives in Gray and Mahrez consistently showing for the ball amongst others. That isnt a sign our players are shying away from their responsibilities. Honestly talk about moaning for the sake of moaning.
StriderHiryu Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 Confidence in the team is completely shot. In particular Morgan, Huth and Drinkwater look devoid of it and their performances have gone down the toilet as a result. Vardy is the one that has annoyed me the most this season. Like pretty much every English player that has one good season, fame has gone to his head and he's too interested in books, magazines and TV. Service up to him has been poor but his overall attitude has stunk. Alan Shearer is usually a pretty bad pundit offering very little tactical insight. But for once before the Derby game he was actually spot-on! As a team we haven't been doing the basics right, conceding shocking goals and smashing the ball up the pitch as our default mode of attack. The title of this thread is a good one - those are the things we need to get back on track! 2 years ago we had a crisis of a different kind, but a few players really stepped up and made the difference. The signings of Albrighton and Huth also helped steady the ship and bring in confidence from outside the team. This is one of those times where the players need to have a good hard look inside themselves and find their fight and inner belief again. They've done it time and again, but this time things are different. I'm hoping they can find it again and keep us up!
foxfan92 Posted 29 January 2017 Posted 29 January 2017 Belief I think is the big missing ingredient. I think it looks like the passion has gone, but I don't think it's due to any lack of effort (even from Vardy - who I think is frustrated by lack of service and by himself not scoring the few opportunities he has had). When you lose belief (which the players had in abundance last season) everything seems to go wrong, your shoulders slouch, you beat yourself up for every mistake, and as a result you make more, you then doubt yourself, and your performance suffers week in week out. Its a rut that needs breaking. I'm hoping we beat Seville and see a huge confidence boost. Before that of course I'm hoping the players can pick themselves up for Burnley. I think more recently we've also tried to change things too much. Last season the same 11 played week in week out in the same positions knowing their jobs instinctively. This season to accommodate new players and to fill a hole left in midfield by the one outgoing player from those 11 title winners - we've chopped and changed personnel (and more recently formation) so much that people don't know what they are doing. The lack of belief and inconsistency is leading to the performances we are seeing. Perhaps if Mendy had stayed fit he would have taken over from Kante (although I'm yet to see him taking the ball and surging forward like Kanye did). Maybe Ndidi can do the job (but with confidence so low it'll be a bigger ask than last season where we were still riding high from our great escape!) Personally I'd rather we spent all the cash on one amazing midfield player that could have kept the formation the same and we continue what we did last season. Some teams adapted to our tactics - but so what? Enough couldn't to allow us a comfortable top half of the table finish. If we'd continued this season (we started against Hull who could barely field 11 players together and their manager had just left) as we did last season I'm certain we wouldn't be complaining about our back 4 because I'm certain they'd be playing with confidence still. As it is things came grinding quickly to a halt and we've looked a shadow of the team we were last season. Moving forward I'd like to see us concentrate on doing the simple things right. Defending like we did last season. Using the space wisely. Forcing opponents out wide and closing them down quickly. Then trying to launch quick counter attacks. Find an 11 players who can work together in a formation that allows this to happen and give the players time to get used to their roles again. Grind out a few patient 1-0 wins instead of launching the ball forward with only poor Vardy up there surrounded by tall defenders. And lets restore the pride, passion and belief back into these players and our wonderful club!!!!
yorkie1999 Posted 29 January 2017 Posted 29 January 2017 22 hours ago, Max Wall said: Are you sure? If you earn 20,000 one year and 60,000 the next, what is your percentage increase? 100% + 50%
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