Huth, Wes and Simpson AKA the hoof trinity™. Why Can't Claudio stop them from chipping aimless balls?

[Babylon]

If their is a simple option they will take it. If DD and N'didi showed for it they generally got it.

 

The issue is there is zero game plan for where to go when the receiving cm gets the ball, so it comes straight back to defenders.

 

Defences are sitting deeper and we have strikers who play on the shoulder. So when our defenders have the ball the strikers are a mile away and the cm's are isolated.

 

The whole team needs to drop back further rather than being dictated to by their deep defence.

 

More bodies nearer the ball = more blooming options.

 

Whilst Huth and Morgan are limited footballers, we stayed up playing good football and then won the league with them. You have to work around their limitations and we're just not doing that.

[AKCJ]

3 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

I think today, barring an injury to Amartey, has to be Danny Simpsons last game for the club. 

Like with RDL last season, there is a moment when you have to look and say you are no longer good enough for what we need.

 There was point today when Simpson passed a ball to Mahrez no more than 5 yards and he chipped it up, I couldn't believe it, Mahrez then takes an extra second to bring the ball down and gets tackled.

 

I know everyone hates Simpson for the things he did off the pitch but he was the only one to show any desire today.

 

He has higher standards than his team mates. You can knock him for ability on the ball but his effort and desire is  first class.

[dannythefox]

I remember saying this after the Copenhagen game at home I just wanted to see the ball on the deck. Then ranieri said in his interview it's was the tactics to hoof it up field. 

[jon1bc]

Both Morgan and Huth looks shockingly uncomfortable on the ball, and this is not helped by the fact that Drinkwater is so reluctant to retain the ball..maybe turn, face forward, look up and play that piercing pass through the middle. Instead, Drinky goes for the easy option of playing it straight back to them and we get deeper and deeper until it's played back to Kasper..he boots it up and we lose possession.

 

Mendy for Drinkwater 

Mahrez on the wing with Slimani up with Vardy

[The Doctor]

1 minute ago, HoustonFox said:

Doc - that tells me they are defying him.  It's in his control to drop players that don't listen to him.  If they aren't there are serious issues....

Not really - they're just limited with the ball and have no options. Ultimately they end up having to just punt it because the likes of Drinkwater don't show for it, or if they do, they move us backwards a bit then give it back to one of these three.

[HoustonFox]

2 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Not really - they're just limited with the ball and have no options. Ultimately they end up having to just punt it because the likes of Drinkwater don't show for it, or if they do, they move us backwards a bit then give it back to one of these three.

So they may not be defying him, but what about my point that it's in his control to change personnel? 

[jim5000]

2 minutes ago, jon1bc said:

Both Morgan and Huth looks shockingly uncomfortable on the ball, and this is not helped by the fact that Drinkwater is so reluctant to retain the ball..maybe turn, face forward, look up and play that piercing pass through the middle. Instead, Drinky goes for the easy option of playing it straight back to them and we get deeper and deeper until it's played back to Kasper..he boots it up and we lose possession.

 

 

Spot on. Continue this for 90 minutes and you have our gameplan. It doesn't matter who we play ahead of these guys, we can't break out of this pattern of play.

[The Doctor]

Just now, HoustonFox said:

So they may not be defying him, but what about my point that it's in his control to change personnel? 

If we had credible options, yes. I'd love to see benny and amartey given more games in the defence but realistically we've got one actual right back in simpson and the alternatives to morgan and huth are Wasyl (36 this summer), Benny (1 game in 13 months) and Wague (not actually wanted by Ranieri). The only position we've got good cover in is left back with Chilwell.  Even then, to actually change this up would require dropping about 6 players - as a fan I'm all for it, do anything to try and put the boot up these twats, but realistically that's the last thing we need.

[MattCan]

Simple:  no midfield  ===>  no passing options  ===>  long wasted balls.

[HoustonFox]

Just now, The Doctor said:

If we had credible options, yes. I'd love to see benny and amartey given more games in the defence but realistically we've got one actual right back in simpson and the alternatives to morgan and huth are Wasyl (36 this summer), Benny (1 game in 13 months) and Wague (not actually wanted by Ranieri). The only position we've got good cover in is left back with Chilwell.  Even then, to actually change this up would require dropping about 6 players - as a fan I'm all for it, do anything to try and put the boot up these twats, but realistically that's the last thing we need.

I think Simpson is ok, just tell him not to try to pass.  Morgan needs a partner, and I'd be tempted to try Amartey, Benny or Wague there, Huth is not helping anyone and looks pretty disinterested to be honest.  Chilly is dead cert at LB for sure. 

[funkyrobot]

15 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

You missed him going ballistic at them a couple of weeks ago for hoofing? It's clear he's not told them to play this way - they've just got no movement ahead of them and have to resort to it. I'd rather if we're stuck at that playing Slim or punting it into play and trying to gain territory through throw-ins than launch it to the head of a short bloke like Vardy; but it's not that they're being told by the manager to keep it up.

If he's not told them to play it that way and they are playing that way then wtf is he still playing them? Also if they've got no movement ahead of them then at least move forward with the ball. There were times today when they did have options or space to move forward into and they chose the easy hoof option. Claudio did tell them off a couple of games ago but he didn't today. He stood passively observing whilst we all kept shouting stop fkin hoofing it!!!

[Ashley]

25 minutes ago, bovril said:

I'm not sure if we played that way against Derby because of the players or because Derby allowed us to play that way.

No, we played that way.  Our reserves could actually knock the ball about. 

 

Chilwell - excellent technical ability

Benalouane - played in a passing atalanta side

Wasilewski - comfortable on the ball

Amartey - can play a bit

 

Gray - excellent technical ability

Mendy - Played in a side where passing was their game with high aggression

King - sideways shit but rarely gave it away

Albrighton - HOOOOOF

Kapustka - good technical ability again

Musa - played in a good passing side which quick one twos(ala Everton away) are his game! 

 

Saying that the way we set up at Derby in the first game we played some very good stuff on the ground and actually dominated a side who.. normally... dominate other teams in the Championship.

[The Doctor]

Just now, funkyrobot said:

If he's not told them to play it that way and they are playing that way then wtf is he still playing them? Also if they've got no movement ahead of them then at least move forward with the ball. There were times today when they did have options or space to move forward into and they chose the easy hoof option. Claudio did tell them off a couple of games ago but he didn't today. He stood passively observing whilst we all kept shouting stop fkin hoofing it!!!

 - Have you seen Huth? He's got the build of an aircraft carrier and the turning circle of one to boot. No way he's carrying the ball out and going past a man or two. 

[Aus Fox]

13 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

I know everyone hates Simpson for the things he did off the pitch but he was the only one to show any desire today.

 

He has higher standards than his team mates. You can knock him for ability on the ball but his effort and desire is  first class.

While I agree to some point, he is the only player that I think has a clear improvement sitting on the bench.

Hr may have effort and desire but he is a poor footballer.

Possibly Fuchs falls into this category too with Chilwell waiting in the wings.

[Koke]

Watched Hull away to Arsenal yesterday. They lost but had 52% possesion and played well. Maguire looked like Pique in disguise. They looked after the ball and created chances. We're the polar opposite. Hull will come here in a few weeks and completely outplay us. It's inevitable.

 

We are so bad it's painful.

[foxes21]

the swansea fans were taking the piss screaming hooooof whenever our defenders got the ball

[Koke]

37 minutes ago, lgfualol said:

Pretty sure they have some brain damage from all the years of heading the ball. A bit like Albrighton, Vardy, etc they are just not intelligent footballers lacking any technical quality. 

 

Drinkwater, etc run away from the ball too. Pretty sure half our players lay awake all night paralysed by the thought of touching the ball. 

 

 

The only players (the ones who actually get game time got us) who don't treat the ball like an ebola virus are 

 

Fuchs

Chilwell 

Mahrez 

Gray

Ndidi 

King 

 

Morgan, Huth and Simpson treat the ball like anexplosive. Vardy, Musa, Albrighton, Slimani and Okazaki have the technique and touch of lower league fodder (they obviously have other attributes but control and pass isn't one of them).

[Trav Le Bleu]

43 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Because NOBODY shows for the ball.

 

The entire team is absolutely scared stiff of having the ball.

Which is the whole thing really. Confidence sees the team trying trickier balls, taking on players, making runs and when it doesn't work, they try again. When you don't have the confidence, you might try, but the first time you fail you reinforce your fears and misgivings, so you don't try for the rest of the game.

 

Therein lies the key. How to find it; now that's the trick.

[crisp packet]

It's just basic shape . Our defensive line is awful on the ball . Flat ? It doesn't alter thus being under pressure on the ball having to go long and conceded possession to a another long ball to a pointing Vardy.

 

Huth at know point in time is ever in a 'proper shape' position to receive and advance with the ball .

Not a footballer ,head it and kick it centre back. 

We now have to play football as our style got found out. 

Teams know stretch are

narrow ,deep play once  are early huff and puff doesn't pay off.

You have footballers with hoofers. Huth,Simpson, and Morgan

(to a lesser extent )cannot play under pressure hence hoooooof!

We used to play through fuchs but teams high press us . 

Thus conceding possession. Add albrighton hoofs as well. We have footballers and hoofers.

Fcuked if we perceive with it...

 

Ground hog day. Start ok don't score drop deeper and Deeper chase shadows no tackles concede. Repeat.   Hoooof.

[Mike Oxlong]

35 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Which is the whole thing really. Confidence sees the team trying trickier balls, taking on players, making runs and when it doesn't work, they try again. When you don't have the confidence, you might try, but the first time you fail you reinforce your fears and misgivings, so you don't try for the rest of the game.

 

Therein lies the key. How to find it; now that's the trick.

Fearless is fvcked then.

[funkyrobot]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

 - Have you seen Huth? He's got the build of an aircraft carrier and the turning circle of one to boot. No way he's carrying the ball out and going past a man or two. 

I'm Not asking him to go past a man. I agree he's the most non footballing footballer you'll ever see but Christ at least he could walk forward with the ball and then lay a simple 5 yard pass forward as an attacker begins to move towards him. Ndidi was available most of the time to take such a pass.  

[splinterdream]

We used to defend corners with 2 in their opposition

[lcfcdamo]

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

Because NOBODY shows for the ball.

 

The entire team is absolutely scared stiff of having the ball.

Apart from gray only one that wants it

[daverollo]

9 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

We used to defend corners with 2 in their opposition

That's been noticeable for quite some time now that we're not leaving anyone further up on the halfway line, needs to be done. Likely more out of fear that we're not.

 

Simpson played well today, he had commitment and desire, some tidy tackles and interceptions, but agree his distribution is poor, but in part down to lack of options ahead of him.

 

as others have mentioned, too many players hiding and not showing for each other. Worst offender today for headless chicken hoof ball was Albrighton.

[SpinneyHillRanger]

Target man slimani .... Is a really poor target man to be fair.... His touch is atrocious and he barely wins any 50-50 challenges. He is better in the box with crosses coming in and how sporting Lisbon used him.

 

We are just terrible and drinky is the main problem. As when he lacks confidence it goes through the whole team who just panic and hoof