st albans fox Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 48 minutes ago, 49er said: I saw the first leg. They played against a side at our lowest ebb, with a Manager that was about to be sacked, and only managed a 2-1 win. Regarding their recent league form, they are meant to be in the hunt to win the league, so it's not as if they have downed tools and are preparing for the game with us. Do you seriously believe that Nzonzi, Jovetic and Nasri would cut it in the Premier League? Their level is Stoke, West Brom not Chelsea! I disagree but I can't be bothered to get into an arguement with someone who thinks a premier league winning player wouldn't cut it in the premier league and another who will soon be at real, Barca PSG or juve would also not 'cut it'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 6 minutes ago, st albans fox said: I disagree but I can't be bothered to get into an arguement with someone who thinks a premier league winning player wouldn't cut it in the premier league and another who will soon be at real, Barca PSG or juve would also not 'cut it'. He's right in that most of Sevilla's established players wouldn't get in to top four sides though. They've put together a good team but it's also flawed. The likes of Sarabia have been floating around for years, always considered a talent but never really at the top level. Age group for Spain whilst a Madrid graduate but just sinks in to mediocrity. We watched him play and made out he was part of some phenomenally technical, unbeatable Seville side. He's actually a hugely inconsistent, mentally piss weak journeyman just like Nasri. Ben Yedder and Vietto are raw, unfinished forwards who most people only rave about because of computer games. Nzonzi is a solid, all round midfielder who is about as his level in the Europa League. He's a top six talent, not really a league winner. Jovetic is a nomadic forward who's made of glass, rarely settles at a club and usually fails to deliver on his promise because, like the rest, he's just not got the mental toughness to push on. Vitolo has long been considered one of their better players but suspiciously has never been seriously courted for a move to a bigger side while others like Rakitic have moved on. They're a good side and we shouldn't assume we're favourites to go through just because we've turned a corner. They're having a great year like we did last year and they are well versed in cup competitions. But being afraid of them and acting like they're unbeatable is falling in to an enormous trap. We gave them far, far too much respect in the first hour at their place and if we do it again on Tuesday we're out. But if we go roaring out, blood and thunder, get in to them and score early? Yeah why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 Where would Sevilla finish in the PL?... Everton standard equivalent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 4 minutes ago, Finnegan said: He's right in that most of Sevilla's established players wouldn't get in to top four sides though. They've put together a good team but it's also flawed. The likes of Sarabia have been floating around for years, always considered a talent but never really at the top level. Age group for Spain whilst a Madrid graduate but just sinks in to mediocrity. We watched him play and made out he was part of some phenomenally technical, unbeatable Seville side. He's actually a hugely inconsistent, mentally piss weak journeyman just like Nasri. Ben Yedder and Vietto are raw, unfinished forwards who most people only rave about because of computer games. Nzonzi is a solid, all round midfielder who is about as his level in the Europa League. He's a top six talent, not really a league winner. Jovetic is a nomadic forward who's made of glass, rarely settles at a club and usually fails to deliver on his promise because, like the rest, he's just not got the mental toughness to push on. Vitolo has long been considered one of their better players but suspiciously has never been seriously courted for a move to a bigger side while others like Rakitic have moved on. They're a good side and we shouldn't assume we're favourites to go through just because we've turned a corner. They're having a great year like we did last year and they are well versed in cup competitions. But being afraid of them and acting like they're unbeatable is falling in to an enormous trap. We gave them far, far too much respect in the first hour at their place and if we do it again on Tuesday we're out. But if we go roaring out, blood and thunder, get in to them and score early? Yeah why not. DIsmissing them as if they are some kind of Sunday league pub team won't help though. Not sure I agree with all you have written but at least you have made some in depth comments rather than broad brush type. the part in bold above is relevant. As I posted earlier, a positive start from us and early goal could be just what is needed to knock their confidence. However, they have many years experience of winning two legged European games and will be aware that even going two down before half time will not change too much on the tie overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 5 minutes ago, st albans fox said: DIsmissing them as if they are some kind of Sunday league pub team won't help though. Not sure I agree with all you have written but at least you have made some in depth comments rather than broad brush type. the part in bold above is relevant. As I posted earlier, a positive start from us and early goal could be just what is needed to knock their confidence. However, they have many years experience of winning two legged European games and will be aware that even going two down before half time will not change too much on the tie overall. The line above the one you quoted I literally just said they're a good team and we're still not favourites to go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdb Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 N'Zonzi would walk into any starting XI in the prem. he was class at stoke and has come on leaps and bounds since. He does amble about sometimes but he still looks the part even then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 2 minutes ago, sdb said: N'Zonzi would walk into any starting XI in the prem. he was class at stoke and has come on leaps and bounds since. He does amble about sometimes but he still looks the part even then. ....a poor man's Ndidi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 35 minutes ago, Finnegan said: The line above the one you quoted I literally just said they're a good team and we're still not favourites to go through. Wasn't referring to your post with that comment - apologies. Was referring to 49er's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdb Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 Just now, weller54 said: ....a poor man's Ndidi! I hope to come back here Wednesday morning and give you a pat on the back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 Stuck this down as 3-1 on the midweek Super 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee7 Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 3 hours ago, 49er said: I saw the first leg. They played against a side at our lowest ebb, with a Manager that was about to be sacked, and only managed a 2-1 win. Regarding their recent league form, they are meant to be in the hunt to win the league, so it's not as if they have downed tools and are preparing for the game with us. Do you seriously believe that Nzonzi, Jovetic and Nasri would cut it in the Premier League? Their level is Stoke, West Brom not Chelsea! I'm pretty sure Nzonzi is being chased by Man City and Chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPinCarolina Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 Nasri and Nzonzi are both PL quality beyond a shadow of a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49er Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 1 hour ago, UPinCarolina said: Nasri and Nzonzi are both PL quality beyond a shadow of a doubt. But for which of the Premier teams? Man City obviously didn't think that Nasri was required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49er Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 1 hour ago, lee7 said: I'm pretty sure Nzonzi is being chased by Man City and Chelsea Wasn't Llorente linked with Chelsea recently! Man City have previously signed the likes of Delph, Otamendi, Stones, Mangala, Sagna, Bravo ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49er Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 3 hours ago, sdb said: N'Zonzi would walk into any starting XI in the prem. he was class at stoke and has come on leaps and bounds since. He does amble about sometimes but he still looks the part even then. He may well be a very good player, but didn't see it based on yesterday's performance or the game against us. Poor man's Pogba? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee7 Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 8 minutes ago, 49er said: Wasn't Llorente linked with Chelsea recently! Man City have previously signed the likes of Delph, Otamendi, Stones, Mangala, Sagna, Bravo ... Yes all correct but this season he's been reportedly by many news outlets the best midfielder in La Liga that alone speaks for itself. If you think he's coming back to the prem after his performances in Spain to play for a West Brom or a Stoke again then your having a laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49er Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 For all our sakes, let's hope he has a real stinker on Tuesday, and we go through! After that, I don't care whether he's playing for Northampton or Barcelona next season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 1 hour ago, 49er said: He may well be a very good player, but didn't see it based on yesterday's performance or the game against us. Poor man's Pogba? He completely ran the game against us. You can argue about how much he had to play against but to say you saw nothing in Seville which makes you think he is a very good player is puzzling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlos-da-gr8-Fox Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 i agree with this 100% he bossed it and most the time was strolling he looked bored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpinneyHillRanger Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 Play with intensity and pace and give them the respect of man city and Liverpool and we should have them in the same way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 We need to start this game at 100mph. Get right in their faces from the off, pump balls into their box and just generally rough them up. I think the problem with English teams in Europe is that we try to match these possession based foreign teams but fall short. Let's give them something they're not used to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 Italian ref - Daniele orsato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentFox Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 Just had one of 'those' moments. Was throwing the game onto 'record' on BT sport when it offered me 'record once' or 'record series'. Feck!!!! Huge decision. Do you tempt fate and say 'series'. Or knife your team by clicking 'once'. I really hope I haven't jinxed it. And no, im not telling you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HybridFox Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: Italian ref - Daniele orsato Let's hope he's not too bitter about Claudio! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 12 minutes ago, TK95 said: Let's hope he's not too bitter about Claudio! I'll assume this isn't even vaguely serious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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