Mickyblueeyes Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 Good. 3 more wins and bit of fun in the champions league. Than we sit down and decide clearly, where next.
ROB-THE-BLUE Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 15 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said: shakey till the end of the season, marco in the summer. sounds perfect to me Van Basten? Silva? Polo?
Thracian Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 38 minutes ago, murphy said: I think we all rate Shakespeare but the concern for me in his stepping up from no.2 to manager is that relationships with the players will have to change. It is well known that he is close to the team and I've heard it said that he could be a stand up comedian. From going from their mate to their boss and making all the unpopular decisions that goes along with that can cause problems and has done in the past at other clubs. It happens in other industries all the time. As for the supposed problems of going from "mate" to "boss" it's no big deal so long as you don't suddenly pretend you're someone else and stop making doing the good job and with the same attitutude that got you promoted in the first place.
crisp packet Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 "The boot room" Promoting from within? Done Liverpool no harm.... ! (in the 70/80s) but point still stands...
Hammo Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 After two wins out of two, a total transformation on the field and universal support from the fans (strengthened by the outrageous comments of Martin Klown on Match of the Day), appointing Shakey until the end of the season - with a remit to keep us in the Premier League - is what in modern parlance is referred to as a No Brainer.
Thracian Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 12 hours ago, Matt said: Oh no, I'm agreeing with you, he deserves a shot, what i'm surmising is how I fear the owners might look at it with their desire of a big name. That depends on Shakespeare. He's earned respect to reach his position as assistant manager and has earned the respect of Premiership players and owners in his time being responsible for coaching our first team, so I see nothing to stop him keeping and further developing everyone's respect as a manager. There are some new skills to develop but I wouldn't say he's got the sort of temperament to make a mess of things like media, diplomacy and the dignity of the job as a global enterprise.. Quite the contrary, I'd say he's got every chance of being an improvement on some we've had. That just leaves things like "vision for the future" but he'll presumably have some help with that and, of course, there's the question of results. There's never any guarantees on that score but no-one is better placed to maintain and develop our capabilities on the pitch than the man who knows our strengths and weaknesses better than anyone else, assuming he gets the right backing which I wouldn't have thought would be in doubt. Our owners might have wanted a big name but they always give the impression of being honourable people and, as such, should have the humility to accept they've chosen a different road and the commitment to stand 100% behind their chosen man to give him the best chance possible. And Rudkin should do the same. It's time everyone in our club was singing from the same songsheet again. Seems to me it was the catalyst for all our success. .
oxtonfox Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 1 hour ago, crisp packet said: "The boot room" Promoting from within? Done Liverpool no harm.... ! (in the 70/80s) but point still stands... I agree with you and I don't believe Shakey pushed Claudio under the train to get the job. I can see it now "a former Grimsby midfielder leads Leicester City out to face Juventus at Cardiff's Millenium stadium in the UCL Champions League Final..."
Clever Fox Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 He needs to sit down the players this week and spell out the boundaries that are acceptable on both sides. He also needs to be honest with them and explain that just as they are playing for their places, he also has a job to do for the Club. That some players will be moved on based on the Clubs assessments and analysis in the Summer by the Staff. Then just let things unfold naturally without any demonstrations of superior ship.
Bluetintedspecs Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 2 hours ago, crisp packet said: "The boot room" Promoting from within? Done Liverpool no harm.... ! (in the 70/80s) but point still stands... I made the same point crisp, I just don't get why people don't get promotion and progression, is it too difficult a concept to grasp?
Guest Col city fan Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 2 minutes ago, Bluetintedspecs said: I made the same point crisp, I just don't get why people don't get promotion and progression, is it too difficult a concept to grasp? Clearly for some mate, yes it is...
coolhandfox Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 2 hours ago, sylofox said: I think your missing my point. Yes he has a chance and having done a good job he deserves the chance. My points the people saying let him save us then get a better manager next season. With no hint of Shakey getting the job. I think its because most good caretaker managers have gone on to become poor long term managers. By your logic, if the club had got offered Costa or Griezmann in the summer we should have told them to bugger off, because Vardy had done a great job last season! The club should get the best person available for the job, if that's Shakey great, if not the King is dead, long live the new King!
coolhandfox Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 2 hours ago, crisp packet said: "The boot room" Promoting from within? Done Liverpool no harm.... ! (in the 70/80s) but point still stands... That's the point just because it worked great in the 70, 80's, doesn't mean it will work now. My VHS was great in the 80's, but it's not looking so good now!
Bluetintedspecs Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 4 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: That's the point just because it worked great in the 70, 80's, doesn't mean it will work now. My VHS was great in the 80's, but it's not looking so good now! How about putting it another way, when was the last time Liverpool had any sustained success and won the league?
Tuna Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 Shakespeare is the man to keep us up, he's unified the dressing room and has got us playing again. The players want to play for him and for me he's the only choice. All I care about is staying up, once that happens we can talk about the future. I think we need a rethink on strategy moving forward.
coolhandfox Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 Just now, Bluetintedspecs said: How about putting it another way, when was the last time Liverpool had any sustained success and won the league? Liverpool were successful because they brought, and attracted the best talent, not because the got managers from the boot room! I can't remember Roy Evans winning much and he was from the boot room.
Thracian Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 42 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: I think its because most good caretaker managers have gone on to become poor long term managers. By your logic, if the club had got offered Costa or Griezmann in the summer we should have told them to bugger off, because Vardy had done a great job last season! The club should get the best person available for the job, if that's Shakey great, if not the King is dead, long live the new King! Liverpool did okay promoting from within.:Lots of clubs buy what they believe are top class players but that in itself doesn't guarantee success. It takes a good manager/coach to organise and blend a side into brilliance. Look at Cloughie. How often did he take decent but not necessarily exceptional players and blend them into an outstanding team. Shankly and Ferguson had the same knack to some extent - that of turning good into something special both individually and collectively. I don't know if Shakespeare's got that kind of charisma - not all good managers are extrovert or aggressive - he may well have his own formula. But, whatever he's got, I'd love to see how far it could take us before we cast our fate to the winds of the mercenaries and "main chance" opportunists who'd not even be able to find they way here without looking us up on some smartphone map..
Trav Le Bleu Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 3 hours ago, ROB-THE-BLUE said: Van Basten? Silva? Polo? Fu.
Thracian Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 1 hour ago, oxtonfox said: I agree with you and I don't believe Shakey pushed Claudio under the train to get the job. I can see it now "a former Grimsby midfielder leads Leicester City out to face Juventus at Cardiff's Millenium stadium in the UCL Champions League Final..." It's called an hallucination but there's a few of us got them now. It's what football's all about really - daft dreams.
Bluetintedspecs Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 41 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: Liverpool were successful because they brought, and attracted the best talent, not because the got managers from the boot room! I can't remember Roy Evans winning much and he was from the boot room. That imo is so wrong on so many levels , however, that is just my opinion and I truly respect yours and suggest we agree to disagree.
Foxxed Posted 7 March 2017 Posted 7 March 2017 I doubt the team will tolerate too much tinkering in either tactics or team mentality. Shakey'll prove how far this setup can go: survival and a ferocious fight in the second leg'll do me fine.
Thracian Posted 8 March 2017 Posted 8 March 2017 9 hours ago, coolhandfox said: I think its because most good caretaker managers have gone on to become poor long term managers. By your logic, if the club had got offered Costa or Griezmann in the summer we should have told them to bugger off, because Vardy had done a great job last season! The club should get the best person available for the job, if that's Shakey great, if not the King is dead, long live the new King! Please explain the great qualities we're missing out on in appointing Shaky?. Perhaps we should go for one of the serial moaners like Wenger whose players habitually roll over at the slightest tap and then surround the referee carping, cajoling and doing all they can to bully him into seeing things their way. The Wenger who never sees a thing when it suits him and yet runs out of excuses for yet another "nearly, but" disappointment, and that with every possible resource to be serially successful. Or Woy, who's never presided over anything of consequence which would make me excited and likely never will now. As for your opening sentence, the same irrelevence could be applied to most managers. By the very nature of a results business with a league table, there's only one winner. Plus a few honourable mentions. So, of the 20 managerial efforts each season in the Premiership, there's always going to be a potentially high proportion of failures and/or sackings. How many managers have we had in the last 60 years who left by their own choice?
coolhandfox Posted 8 March 2017 Posted 8 March 2017 10 hours ago, Bluetintedspecs said: How about putting it another way, when was the last time Liverpool had any sustained success and won the league? Celtic won the European cup with a whole team recruited from within a 10 mile raduis of their ground, do you suggest we do that as well. Takeing over a team dominating a league is a lot easier than taking over a team that is not. I just don't think it's a reason to give Shakey the job.
coolhandfox Posted 8 March 2017 Posted 8 March 2017 29 minutes ago, Thracian said: Please explain the great qualities we're missing out on in appointing Shaky?. Perhaps we should go for one of the serial moaners like Wenger whose players habitually roll over at the slightest tap and then surround the referee carping, cajoling and doing all they can to bully him into seeing things their way. The Wenger who never sees a thing when it suits him and yet runs out of excuses for yet another "nearly, but" disappointment, and that with every possible resource to be serially successful. Or Woy, who's never presided over anything of consequence which would make me excited and likely never will now. As for your opening sentence, the same irrelevence could be applied to most managers. By the very nature of a results business with a league table, there's only one winner. Plus a few honourable mentions. So, of the 20 managerial efforts each season in the Premiership, there's always going to be a potentially high proportion of failures and/or sackings. How many managers have we had in the last 60 years who left by their own choice? Where did I mention qualities, all I said was the best man of the job! So if we win 3 of the next 11, you'll still me championing Shakey's cause? My my logic is let him see what he can do, and then judge he's suitably! I don't want Roy or Wenger either, but you only reference poor candidates! What about the chance of finding the next Pochettino or Wagner?
Cunningfox Posted 8 March 2017 Posted 8 March 2017 Probably been said already.. great coach, understands the current squad. Perfect choice to end of season. Beyond that we need to look elsewhere for someone who can work in the transfer market (although maybe that's not so important with Rudkin ready to f**k any deals up!)
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