Shakespeare offered managers job

[Thracian]

25 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Where did I mention qualities, all I said was the best man of the job! So if we win 3 of the next 11, you'll still me championing Shakey's cause? 

 

My my logic is let him see what he can do, and then judge he's suitably! I don't want Roy or Wenger either, but you only reference poor candidates! What about the chance of finding the next Pochettino or Wagner? 

I've made no predictions about Shakespeare's management, I'm just 100% in favour of his having the chance to move up and sincerely hope he makes a go of it, not just in the remaining games of this season but thereafter assuming he's given the chance he'd then deserve to carry on.  

 

If Shakespeare keeps us up after the appalling situation he inherited I couldn't give a toss about Pochettino or Wagner. I'd like to see what more Shakespeare could do and whether he could evolve our team in the manner I'd hoped it might evolve last close season instead of witnessing the mess it turned out. 

 

Either way the owners will decide. As for your first sentence, it sounds as if you'd have sacked Martin O'Neill before he even got going at Leicester. None of us like to see our team losing but every manager hits a run of bad results occasionally. Ranieri didn't just hit a bad patch. he was spinning on ice and couldn't stop.       

[Guest Danny Clender]

I'm sure Shakespeare is realistic to know, contracts for football managers mean nothing in today's game, every single football manager's career will end in ignominy. 

He'll take a contract until the end of the season, at which point both club and manager will sit down and discuss which next move is best for each concerned.

Who is to say, if he keeps us up, a club like Blackburn, Villa, Forest or even Derby come in for him with an offer better than ours. 

He could be offered the job full-time, we could get another manger and he leaves, either way, Shakespeare is in a very good position. 

[polarbear]

key things to assess Shakespeare on over the 'interim period'

 

- how he deals with a poor result or run of them (if it happens)

-how he sets up against man city and arsenal away

- how he/the squad reacts to dropping some of the old guard (particularly if due to errors) huth, morgan

-linked to above point - can he be ruthless with the team or will he maintain his chummy persona with them. in a way this 12 game mini season is a micro cosm of ranieris first season - comes in puts an arm round the shoulder of players, is like one of the lads, plays the way they possibly want to. next season will be a fresh brand new start..

-tactical flexibility against different team

- who are the 3 or 4 leaders who come to him and speak about stuff. with NFP and CR it was morgan, schmecial and king. going forward you might expect kasper to leave in the summer if offers come vs lcfc ambitions for 17/18, morgan should be phased out slowly and king you cant see getting too many games 

- what is his vision for next season and how he intends to approach - where do we need to improve, who do we go after, who do we let go

- evolving our playing style slowly. i think ranieri was right to do this, he just pushed to do it quickly but without buying the right players or a proper pre season to implement

[coolhandfox]

5 hours ago, Thracian said:

I've made no predictions about Shakespeare's management, I'm just 100% in favour of his having the chance to move up and sincerely hope he makes a go of it, not just in the remaining games of this season but thereafter assuming he's given the chance he'd then deserve to carry on.  

 

If Shakespeare keeps us up after the appalling situation he inherited I couldn't give a toss about Pochettino or Wagner. I'd like to see what more Shakespeare could do and whether he could evolve our team in the manner I'd hoped it might evolve last close season instead of witnessing the mess it turned out. 

 

Either way the owners will decide. As for your first sentence, it sounds as if you'd have sacked Martin O'Neill before he even got going at Leicester. None of us like to see our team losing but every manager hits a run of bad results occasionally. Ranieri didn't just hit a bad patch. he was spinning on ice and couldn't stop.       

I'm also 100% in favour of Shakey, but I also think it's senseable of the club to review its options, once the dust from the season has settled and pick the best option for the long term future of the club! 

 

What has O'Neill got to do with Shakespeare, I've never been one for sacking a manager mid season unless it obvious there a big problem, i.e Sousa, Ranieri!

 

 

 

[coolhandfox]

15 hours ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

That imo is so wrong on so many levels , however, that is just my opinion and I truly respect yours and suggest we agree to disagree.

Liverpool appointed internal staff/players until the appointment of Gerard Houllier in 1998, he was the first manager not to have came thou the ranks as a player or staff! 

 

There demise in the 90's started way before the lost of the bootroom! Ronnie Moran and Roy Evans where around in that time, both Graduated form the boot room, and supported Danglish and Souness! 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, polarbear said:

key things to assess Shakespeare on over the 'interim period'

 

- how he deals with a poor result or run of them (if it happens)

-how he sets up against man city and arsenal away

- how he/the squad reacts to dropping some of the old guard (particularly if due to errors) huth, morgan

-linked to above point - can he be ruthless with the team or will he maintain his chummy persona with them. in a way this 12 game mini season is a micro cosm of ranieris first season - comes in puts an arm round the shoulder of players, is like one of the lads, plays the way they possibly want to. next season will be a fresh brand new start..

-tactical flexibility against different team

- who are the 3 or 4 leaders who come to him and speak about stuff. with NFP and CR it was morgan, schmecial and king. going forward you might expect kasper to leave in the summer if offers come vs lcfc ambitions for 17/18, morgan should be phased out slowly and king you cant see getting too many games 

- what is his vision for next season and how he intends to approach - where do we need to improve, who do we go after, who do we let go

- evolving our playing style slowly. i think ranieri was right to do this, he just pushed to do it quickly but without buying the right players or a proper pre season to implement

- As with every manager blame others

- As we did last season, we can see it wasn't broke

- He won't drop anyone

- not sure this is a question

- there won't be any

- he won't have any power for contracts, pay rises, he will be responsible for training, team selection and performing on the day

- I'm sure he won't be asked that until after the season ends

- He won't do any of that until next season (if he gets it full time)

 

All valid points from you, but a lot of which won't change or even be significant enough for him to be assessed by the owners, there is no way he will be thinking past each game and each result, maybe a few small sweaks here and there but nothing more than that.

[Johnthefoxrayner]

On 07/03/2017 at 13:18, ROB-THE-BLUE said:

Says on Sky that he wants long term assurances about his future before committing to this job... could cause problems if they're looking to bring in a new 'big name' manager in the summer who has his own backroom team?

Shakey should have a clause in his contract that if he doesn't get the job full time he should not be sacked IMO. I believe it would be a big mistake if they did sack him at the end of the season 

[Danizen]

Has he filmed his Sky Sports walk-on yet or will they just crudely photoshop his massive head on Ranieri's body? 

[fox_favourite]

33 minutes ago, Danizen said:

Has he filmed his Sky Sports walk-on yet or will they just crudely photoshop his massive head on Ranieri's body? 

They'll just reuse their Pearson one from a few years back. 

[norwichfox]

He's not accepted it yet, the owners may not meet what Shakespeare thinks he needs to make the appointment work.....

[Thracian]

6 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

I'm also 100% in favour of Shakey, but I also think it's senseable of the club to review its options, once the dust from the season has settled and pick the best option for the long term future of the club! 

 

What has O'Neill got to do with Shakespeare, I've never been one for sacking a manager mid season unless it obvious there a big problem, i.e Sousa, Ranieri!

 

 

 

He had a bad run of results to begin with.  

[coolhandfox]

16 minutes ago, Thracian said:

He had a bad run of results to begin with.  

 

Correct he won 3 of his first 16 games, however  there always seem to be a misconception that we were in a great position when he took over. In fact we had only only won 4 in 10 games before he took over! 

 

I hope Shakespeare has as much success as O'Neill! 

[Thracian]

1 minute ago, coolhandfox said:

 

Correct he won 3 of his first 16 games, however  there always seem to be a misconception that we were in a great position when he took over. In fact we had only only won 4 in 10 games before he took over! 

 

I hope Shakespeare has as much success as O'Neill! 

It's another exciting chapter and I hope he makes the most of it. Some people underestimate the potential of our club but there's lots more we can achieve if we go about it the right way. This season's been relatively disappointing so far but there are big lessons to learn from it and there's a feeling that optimism's returning.

Shaky to win our first FA Cup? That would be nice, but not at the expense of everything else. One game at a time! No exceptions.  

   

[Bluetintedspecs]

12 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Where did I mention qualities, all I said was the best man of the job! So if we win 3 of the next 11, you'll still me championing Shakey's cause? 

 

My my logic is let him see what he can do, and then judge he's suitably! I don't want Roy or Wenger either, but you only reference poor candidates! What about the chance of finding the next Pochettino or Wagner? 

So  I'll try the alternative again, what if he won 6 or 7, bin him cos he's an assistant?

[coolhandfox]

5 minutes ago, Thracian said:

It's another exciting chapter and I hope he makes the most of it. Some people underestimate the potential of our club but there's lots more we can achieve if we go about it the right way. This season's been relatively disappointing so far but there are big lessons to learn from it and there's a feeling that optimism's returning.

Shaky to win our first FA Cup? That would be nice, but not at the expense of everything else. One game at a time! No exceptions.  

   

I would take the FA Cup! The saddest thing is we were in a position to take great strides after last season! With good management and recruitment we could have trouble the top 6 again!

[coolhandfox]

2 minutes ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

So  I'll try the alternative again, what if he won 6 or 7, bin him cos he's an assistant?

If he wins 7 he has around a 66% win ratio, if he maintained that over a league season of 38 games he would win around 25 games, thats top 4 form.

 

If he wins 3, he has around a 33% win ratio, if he maintained that over a league season of 38 games he would win around about 12 games, that's Bottom five form!

 

Its nothing to do with him being a assistant, it's about his performance....I haven't  got a problem with him being promoted from assistant, I want him to keep the job if he earns it, not keep because he's CS!

[ozleicester]

Yep give him until June....Shaky and half the team will be gone in july, so meh

[z-layrex]

4 hours ago, ozleicester said:

Yep give him until June....Shaky and half the team will be gone in july, so meh

What makes you say that?

[ozleicester]

1 hour ago, z-layrex said:

What makes you say that?

IMO,

 

The owners want a "name" so Shakey doesnt fit that, and if they do employ a new manager i cant see him sticking around again, I expect he will get a lower league managers position.

 

The squad will change, we will lose a couple, a couple will retire and we will sell a couple.

 

I like having him in place, but i dont think he has the drawing power that we need. I dont know if long term he will be a good premiership manager but i dont think we should be his first senior permanent job.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 hours ago, ozleicester said:

IMO,

 

The owners want a "name" so Shakey doesnt fit that, and if they do employ a new manager i cant see him sticking around again, I expect he will get a lower league managers position.

 

The squad will change, we will lose a couple, a couple will retire and we will sell a couple.

 

I like having him in place, but i dont think he has the drawing power that we need. I dont know if long term he will be a good premiership manager but i dont think we should be his first senior permanent job.

If the owners wanted a "name", they wouldn't have go NP back the first time surely? 

[ozleicester]

31 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

If the owners wanted a "name", they wouldn't have go NP back the first time surely? 

Fair point.

[Clever Fox]

19 hours ago, Johnthefoxrayner said:

Shakey should have a clause in his contract that if he doesn't get the job full time he should not be sacked IMO. I believe it would be a big mistake if they did sack him at the end of the season 

That rarely ever works. Once the relationship between Shaky the Assisstant to Shaky the Manager with the players it would be difficult for him to revert back to Assistant again.

It's like trying to put the Genie back into the bottle. Sadly by the Summer it could be Shaky's last season with us unless he gets the Job permanently.

 

I've always advocated that Clubs sign the best Manager possible regardless of how much they cost. As they always pay for themselves by bringing success to the Club.

However right now we're in a slightly different situation in that Shaky is part of the Club and knows the players better than anyone. If he continues to lead us to safety with good results then I think he's earned the opportunity to step up and be given the chance.  The Contract can be drawn up in such a way as  to protect the Club in the event of him failing.

[walkerleeds]

Could do with this being announced soonish as I need a bit of extra cash to play with at Cheltenham ideally.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

See my 'other' team, Newport County have just sacked their manager. Fvcking snakes. They won one of their last 20 games FFS. 

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

If the owners wanted a "name", they wouldn't have go NP back the first time surely? 

Their targets seem to follow two paths. Someone who has done it here before (Pearson / O'Neill) or an experienced, media friendly name (Sven, Ranieri, Hiddinck, Hodgeson).

 

I can't remember many concrete links that were outside that limited window.