Jimothy Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Final result in. Labour take Kensington from the Tories by 20 votes.
Foxxed Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 8 minutes ago, AndWhat? said: Just having a play around the BBC election map and it's so obvious to see that the current system we have is really not fair. So many constituencies are won by a party that the majority of voters didn't want. Lib Dems are Labours worse enemy. When will the parties agree on this though? They know this system. They know how to win in this system. Both the Tories and Labour didn't support the change to a marginally fairer system last time. But I guess if there were ever a time to go for PR or whatever it's now: You need to get someone to propose the change in voting system through a private members bill (tricky to find people who'll do it and they be chosen for a PMB) and then convince some Tories or DUP to support it for it to pass. Assuming you can convince enough people we don't need a referendum for it...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 another stronghold turning red, larvly to see
The Doctor Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 13 minutes ago, AndWhat? said: Just having a play around the BBC election map and it's so obvious to see that the current system we have is really not fair. So many constituencies are won by a party that the majority of voters didn't want. Lib Dems are Labours worse enemy. As in seats won with less than 50% of the constituencies vote? STV would solve that, but electoral reform was killed by the clegg referendum.
AndWhat? Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 12 minutes ago, The Doctor said: As in seats won with less than 50% of the constituencies vote? STV would solve that, but electoral reform was killed by the clegg referendum. Yeah, take Southort for example. I'm on my phone so don't have the exact figures, but pretty sure if you added Lib Dems and Labour together they would have double what the Tories had. Surely every voter who voted for Lib Dem and Labour would prefer the seat to not be Tory so they just screwed them selves over. We need 1 main lefty party to battle the Tories. Whats SVT?
Foxxed Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Sinn Fein make things "interesting" in terms of votes needed to defeat the Tories. The Tories have a three seat majority if the DUP all vote with them. 328 in total. Providing Labour, the Lib Dems, the Green, Plaid Cymru and whoever the one independent is vote together they're on 315. Seven seats are lost to Sinn Fein. LLGPI would need to all vote the same, and convince 7 Tory and/or DUP to vote with them. Or convice 14 Tory or DUP to abstain. Normally I'd suggest the Tories could manage to keep both the DUP and Tories in line. But if there's no border in NI or GB, ie we are in the Single Market, then the hard Brexiteers may break the Tory resolve. If there is a border in NI and GB then increased Irish terrorism may break the Tory resolve. If there's no border in NI but one in GB then the DUP will see this as NI becoming a part of Ireland and the coalition will break.
Foxxed Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 May would have been better doing a deal with Corbyn. She could blame everything on Labour. It'd be difficult - since it'd be her poor performance that let Labour jointly rule - and she'd still blamed for a soft Brexit but preferable to NI becoming a power-keg with a border where the Irish in NI trust the British government even less than they already do.
The Doctor Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 14 minutes ago, AndWhat? said: Yeah, take Southort for example. I'm on my phone so don't have the exact figures, but pretty sure if you added Lib Dems and Labour together they would have double what the Tories had. Surely every voter who voted for Lib Dem and Labour would prefer the seat to not be Tory so they just screwed them selves over. We need 1 main lefty party to battle the Tories. Whats SVT? Single Transferable Vote - you label up candidates as a preference order, then after the first count, lowest party is eliminated and their votes reallocated to their voters second choice. Carries on until one party has a majority.
AndWhat? Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Just now, The Doctor said: Single Transferable Vote - you label up candidates as a preference order, then after the first count, lowest party is eliminated and their votes reallocated to their voters second choice. Carries on until one party has a majority. Makes sense. Would take about a week to count though! I reckon we have 1 vote then another with just the top 2 to chose from. Seems easier
Foxxed Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 I've just remembered who's in May's party. She's got a two seat majority.
Lionator Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 8 minutes ago, Foxxed said: I've just remembered who's in May's party. She's got a two seat majority. Nicky Morgan my local MP is very anti-May, pro-EU, anti-Brexit and I'm sure she's not the only.
Guest Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 59 minutes ago, The Doctor said: As in seats won with less than 50% of the constituencies vote? STV would solve that, but electoral reform was killed by the clegg referendum. 20 minutes ago, Foxxed said: I've just remembered who's in May's party. She's got a two seat majority. The one Tory Prime Minister that could have brought the country together in his later years imo. A proper statesman.
Steven Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 8 hours ago, MattP said: Very mature speech by the DUP leader there, emphasising while they are Northern Irish they fundamentally pro British and they will stand up for the union and what it best for it. Gerramin. Now relying on homophobic extremists. Oh dear, how low can the Tories go.
Steven Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 How long before this is buried by the saintly Theresa May, after all she has previous when it comes to burying reports she finds inconvenient. https://sluggerotoole.com/2016/12/10/detail-is-important-who-benefitted-from-the-scandal-that-is-arlene-fosters-cash-for-ash-rhi-scheme/
Nickfosse Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 I imagine that the right wing print press that gave us such detail on Corbyn's links to the IRA will now be preparing informative articles on the DUPs links to terrorism?
Steven Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 13 minutes ago, Nickfosse said: I imagine that the right wing print press that gave us such detail on Corbyn's links to the IRA will now be preparing informative articles on the DUPs links to terrorism? They could start here? https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup
ScouseFox Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 5 hours ago, Spudulike said: So after 7 years of Conservative austerity crippling the UK why didn't Labour win ?? country full of stupid old people
Steven Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 The strange tale of the DUP, Brexit, a mysterious £425,000 donation and a Saudi prince 'I’ve challenged the DUP as to why they do not publish their donations,' says Alliance party politician http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-dup-brexit-donations-saudi-arabia-tale-tories-theresa-may-a7782681.html
Foxxed Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 2 hours ago, Foxxed said: May would have been better doing a deal with Corbyn. She could blame everything on Labour. It'd be difficult - since it'd be her poor performance that let Labour jointly rule - and she'd still blamed for a soft Brexit but preferable to NI becoming a power-keg with a border where the Irish in NI trust the British government even less than they already do. The Tories are heading for oblivion. She can chose Irish terrorism with a DUP backed hard Brexit, a Tory party breakdown with a soft Brexit or a DUP coalition breakdown if GB has a border but NI does not. Get in a coalition with Labour and try to blame them, Theresa.
Strokes Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8673739.stm I don't remember anyone showing concern when Gordon brown was courting the Northern Irish parties for his rainbow coalition. (Maybe we should check back for comments). Would this have been any different or am I missing something?
Nalis Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 5 hours ago, Steven said: The strange tale of the DUP, Brexit, a mysterious £425,000 donation and a Saudi prince 'I’ve challenged the DUP as to why they do not publish their donations,' says Alliance party politician http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-dup-brexit-donations-saudi-arabia-tale-tories-theresa-may-a7782681.html Unfortunately thats the tip of the iceberg. We've seen the RHI (renewable heating incentive) scandal which was publicised over the last 12 months in Northern Ireland which will cost the taxpayer £400m. Not only was this undertaken under the watch of the DUP, the scheme was set up by Arlene Foster ( current DUP leader) when she was the enterprise minister of the NI Assembly. Some links below for more info, enquiry (which will come to nothing) is ongoing. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/38301428 http://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/04/28/news/rhi-inquiry-timescale-for-probe-simply-not-possible-says-chairman-1010356/
m4DD0gg Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 Wonder if Stormzy told the young'uns to eat dog shit and chips would they do it
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