Nalis Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 6 minutes ago, MattP said: Because everything's fine unless it's Tories doing it. War, banking bailouts, coalitions..... She's not in a coalition at all. The amount of fake news going about now is outrageous - anyone seen the DUP mural being shared? Yeah in fairness this has annoyed me too. Most people in Northern Ireland would know its a photoshop (look at the state of Arlene Foster in the above for a start! ), would hope most people in mainland UK would know this too.
Thracian Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 1 hour ago, Emilio Lestavez said: Thracian already weeps for this country. He seems to hate it so much it makes you wonder why he stays to be honest Despairing over what a country's become is no different from seeing our team get so bad it's relegated playing turgid football. Would you suggest our fans walk away too? .
Steven Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 11 minutes ago, MattP said: What other government can be formed on the maths of the result? She could have formed a minority Government without having to cave into extremist demands. She could have worked with other mainstream parties to achieve a sensible Brexit. No she is more interested in power for herself and her party than the good of the nation, calling the election proved that, and so in pursuit of that aim she would rather climb into bed with a group of violent extremist thugs. Theresa May has the blood of the Red Hand Commando, the UVF and the UDA on her hands.
Finnaldo Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 1 minute ago, Webbo said: I know you won't see this but the troubles are over, political parties the world over have to work together. Corbyn supported the IRA at the height of the troubles when there was no need to do so. I believe the term is, moving the goalposts... They're bending over to a Christian Fundamentalist party with <1% and appeasing them with votes over issues no one voted for. The Troubles are over because Northern Ireland was left to it's own devices and the UK government largely kept the hell out. Now formally or informally they've sided with a party with links to Loyalist terrorism and seemingly allowing them reign on policy. We'll see how well this goes over in the coming weeks and months.
The Doctor Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 9 minutes ago, MattP said: What other government can be formed on the maths of the result? No other majority for the tories, but by my count there's not a coalition labour can put together that would take them past the tories - lab 262, SNP 35, lib Dems 12, greens 1 - makes 310; they'd need the independent (who's a former UUP) and Sinn Fein (who don't take their seats) just to match the tories. Just run a minority government - doesn't open them up to criticism of working with terrorists (DUP born from the UVF), doesn't raise problems with the good Friday agreement and English neutrality over northern Irish politics.
Webbo Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 13 minutes ago, Finnaldo said: I believe the term is, moving the goalposts... They're bending over to a Christian Fundamentalist party with <1% and appeasing them with votes over issues no one voted for. The Troubles are over because Northern Ireland was left to it's own devices and the UK government largely kept the hell out. Now formally or informally they've sided with a party with links to Loyalist terrorism and seemingly allowing them reign on policy. We'll see how well this goes over in the coming weeks and months. Well you didn't care about Corbyns support for murderers so why should anyone care now?
Steven Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 3 minutes ago, Webbo said: Well you didn't care about Corbyns support for murderers so why should anyone care now? Two wrongs don't make a right. Moreover knowing that Corbyn was wrong just to associate with Sinn Fein and by association the terrorists Sinn Fein are linked to, it makes the decision to climb into bed with the Loyalist terrorist groups in order to retain power all the more despicable.
Guest MattP Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 28 minutes ago, danny. said: When a Tory is working with Northern Irish terrorist sympathisers that is OK - can't see you saying the same if Corbyn was doing this with Sinn Fein right now eh Matt?! I've already said they have to be very careful. Why are you so concerned about it? You didn't care when Corbyn did it. You voted for the Greens for crying out loud. A party that would legalise membership of ISIS. Both sides are hypocrites. 22 minutes ago, Steven said: She could have formed a minority Government without having to cave into extremist demands. She could have worked with other mainstream parties to achieve a sensible Brexit. No she is more interested in power for herself and her party than the good of the nation, calling the election proved that, and so in pursuit of that aim she would rather climb into bed with a group of violent extremist thugs. Theresa May has the blood of the Red Hand Commando, the UVF and the UDA on her hands. That's what she has done, it's a minority government. It isn't a coalition. The last sentence is absolutely ludicrous - jumping to absurd conclusions, you have no idea what the sort of day to day support it will be.
Steven Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 2 minutes ago, StanSP said: so close Jeremy Corbyn was just 2,227 votes away from chance to be Prime Minister Winning seven Tory knife-edge seats could have put Labour leader in Downing Street http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-election-results-votes-away-prime-minister-theresa-may-hung-parliament-a7782581.html
Finnaldo Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 4 minutes ago, Webbo said: Well you didn't care about Corbyns support for murderers so why should anyone care now? 'Support for murderers' Like the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six, who he campaigned rightly as unjust rulings? Or some fantasy killings you've made up? He was clearly on the side of Irish Republicanism and ensuring individuals weren't unjustly imprisoned as they had been. He literally disavowed terrorist acts and this was all 20+ years ago. Meanwhile in the reality, here and now, May is giving power to a Loyalist back party, for her own gain, and threatens peace in Northern Ireland whilst the DUP push their fundamentalist shite over all of us.
The Doctor Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 5 minutes ago, MattP said: I've already said they have to be very careful. Why are you so concerned about it? You didn't care when Corbyn did it. You voted for the Greens for crying out loud. A party that would legalise membership of ISIS. Both sides are hypocrites. That's what she has done, it's a minority government. It isn't a coalition. The last sentence is absolutely ludicrous - jumping to absurd conclusions, you have no idea what the sort of day to day support it will be. That's a weak argument with nothing more than semantics. It's not an official coalition, but they've made a confidence and supply deal, unofficially they're working together, and everyone sees that. Steven is talking about no deal with the DUP and actually going alone.
Steven Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 3 minutes ago, MattP said: I've already said they have to be very careful. Why are you so concerned about it? You didn't care when Corbyn did it. You voted for the Greens for crying out loud. A party that would legalise membership of ISIS. Both sides are hypocrites. That's what she has done, it's a minority government. It isn't a coalition. The last sentence is absolutely ludicrous - jumping to absurd conclusions, you have no idea what the sort of day to day support it will be. The fact that she seeks any sort of "confidence and supply" agreement with the DUP gives absolute credence to to my last sentence. The DUP was forged in response to Sinn Fein and is forged from terrorist groups in the same way. You, other Tory supporters, the Tory Party and Theresa May need to get a grip on reality and it will be smacking all of you around for the foreseeable future.
Jimothy Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 11 minutes ago, StanSP said: so close One vote still wouldn't have made a difference
Webbo Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 7 minutes ago, Finnaldo said: 'Support for murderers' Like the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six, who he campaigned rightly as unjust rulings? Or some fantasy killings you've made up? He was clearly on the side of Irish Republicanism and ensuring individuals weren't unjustly imprisoned as they had been. He literally disavowed terrorist acts and this was all 20+ years ago. Meanwhile in the reality, here and now, May is giving power to a Loyalist back party, for her own gain, and threatens peace in Northern Ireland whilst the DUP push their fundamentalist shite over all of us. And the Brighton Bombers , he didn't distinguish between guilty and innocent. Now if that acceptable, why are you moaning about the DUP?
Steven Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 2 minutes ago, The Doctor said: That's a weak argument with nothing more than semantics. It's not an official coalition, but they've made a confidence and supply deal, unofficially they're working together, and everyone sees that. Steven is talking about no deal with the DUP and actually going alone. Quite as I believe you were.
Webbo Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 15 minutes ago, Steven said: Two wrongs don't make a right. Moreover knowing that Corbyn was wrong just to associate with Sinn Fein and by association the terrorists Sinn Fein are linked to, it makes the decision to climb into bed with the Loyalist terrorist groups in order to retain power all the more despicable. Yeah, but I don't remember you condemning Corbyn before, or since, the election. So why does it bother you now?
danny. Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 11 minutes ago, MattP said: Why are you so concerned about it? You didn't care when Corbyn did it. You voted for the Greens for crying out loud. A party that would legalise membership of ISIS. I find it completely hypocritical after their whole campaign has been based on narrative that Corbyn is a terrorist supporter. And nope, I didn't vote for the Greens.
Guesty Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 When you read about Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill it does make May look really weak. It's like two incompetent arse-kissers were pretty much running the country with her - and have now been found out. It's worrying that these types of unelected people can get so much power. Her former communication's chief even said May employed them to cover over her weaknesses, but it turned out they were even weaker in the same areas.
Steven Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 11 minutes ago, Webbo said: Yeah, but I don't remember you condemning Corbyn before, or since, the election. So why does it bother you now? I have no recollection of Corbyn directly trying to do a deal to sustain power with a group of murderers in the style of Theresa May. I will grant you that Corbyn is bad but May is worse. Failure to acknowledge that fact undermines your credibility on this topic.
Finnaldo Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 2 hours ago, Webbo said: And the Brighton Bombers , he didn't distinguish between guilty and innocent. Now if that acceptable, why are you moaning about the DUP? Campaigning for a fair trial and against unjust rulings can extend to guilty parties as well. The Brighton bomber was rightly jailed. Terrorism is only one face of the DUP when you count the Christian Fundamentalism, and it wasn't the left who made it an integral part of the campaign.
Guest MattP Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 25 minutes ago, The Doctor said: That's a weak argument with nothing more than semantics. It's not an official coalition, but they've made a confidence and supply deal, unofficially they're working together, and everyone sees that. Steven is talking about no deal with the DUP and actually going alone. It's fact. It isn't a coalition.
Webbo Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 9 minutes ago, Steven said: I have no recollection of Corbyn directly trying to do a deal to sustain power with a group of murderers in the style of Theresa May. I will grant you that Corbyn is bad but May is worse. Failure to acknowledge that fact undermines your credibility on this topic. I wish you'd have been more vocal before the election.
Guest MattP Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 Let's be honest we are all hypocrites. A week ago people like me were ignoring the peace process and equating the IRA to Sinn Fein then saying it was unacceptable to deal with them. No I'm moving on and saying it's OK to talk and get things done with them. The other side just a week ago were saying it's all in the past and we need to move on, now they are the ones ignoring the peace process, going back to the troubles and equating the DUP with the UVF etc and now saying that's unacceptable. The only people who have the moral high ground are people like Tim Farron who were firm in calling both argument's unacceptable.
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