General Election, June 8th

[The Doctor]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

Told you they wouldn't get 40% @Mark_w 

 

Labour: 39.99%

Most polls are to the nearest percentage point though, so that would show as 40%

[Alf Bentley]

44 minutes ago, Beliall said:

Im seeing a lot of sensationalist memes and posts about peace in northern Ireland being threatened, how accurate is this?

 

Should I believe that TM would make a deal knowing that trouble could start, has she breached the good Friday agreement

 

In the short-term, it is sensationalist crap. The IRA won't suddenly take up arms again just because the DUP are involved in the UK government in some way.

Sinn Fein may also be quite happy about some likely DUP demands - opposition to a hard border with the Republic, investment in Northern Irish infrastructure (provided it is not just in unionist areas!), more cash for public services.

 

The short-term risk is that it might jeopardise efforts to get the Stormont Assembly up and running again, if the UK Govt is not perceived to be neutral between the 2 sides. If power-sharing continues to be a problem, that will increase tensions. Again, I'm not suggesting that the IRA would return to violence, but dissident Republican groups might - and there could be a drift of support towards them among the more hot-headed Republican youth.

 

The medium-term risk is of all this spiralling slowly out of control - particularly if the Irish border issue isn't resolved quickly in Brexit talks. Barring the odd dissident or hothead, peace has now held for 20 years since the Good Friday Agreement. Both communities, including the vast majority of Republicans and Loyalists, have accepted the Good Friday Agreement and power-sharing as an acceptable compromise. A compromise that avoids a pointless war that neither side can win and one that leaves the hopes of both sides intact - N. Ireland remains part of the UK but a united Ireland remains a possibility one day if there is ever majority support for it. In the meantime, both communities share power in the North, both London and Dublin get involved in relevant policy areas and there's an economic "peace dividend" as more firms invest, tourists visit etc, even if the economy remains heavily dependent on the public sector. 

 

Part of the reason why this peaceful compromise has held is because London, under successive Labour & Tory governments, has remained quite neutral. It hasn't intervened in N. Ireland, taking sides with unionists or nationalists. Instead, most decisions are taken in Belfast by the Northern Irish parties on both sides, but with input from London and a bit from Dublin. If May's government gets too cosy with the DUP, the risk is that Sinn Fein will see London as a partisan, pro-unionist, anti-nationalist player in the game. On the one hand, this isn't big news to them. They know that the Tories support the unionist cause more than the nationalist one.

 

But proclaiming it out loud, as May deliberately did yesterday, referring to the "Conservative and Unionist Party", was either unbelievably thick or incredibly cynical and reckless about the Peace Process. They were words only, and the Tory Party does have "Unionist" in its full name, but it was a needless provocation. If that is followed by concessions to the DUP that are perceived to be partisan and pro-unionist, that will risk the peace in the long-term. If the Tory-DUP coalition proceeds, let's hope they limit concessions to prioritising a soft border and offering more cash for projects that benefit EVERYONE in N. Ireland - and nothing purely designed to benefit the Unionist side.

[Guest Kopfkino]

Finally caught up on some sleep after a long night and a busy day yesterday. I think ITV nailed their coverage. Up until the exit poll, I didn't expect to be waking up today to a minority government, especially not one backed up by the DUP (I don’t support DUP involvement, though I feel some overly extreme things have been said). Fair play to YouGov for getting it bang on, it's safe to say the YouGov guy I was working with on Thursday night was delighted. I hate the state of party politics in this country and certainly don't see myself as a supporter of any of them, nor am I particularly invested in the future of any as an institution but I acknowledge that I align more with the Conservatives and thus offer my view on what went so disastrously wrong for the party.

 

The campaign started with Theresa May declaring this as an election about Brexit. On Friday morning, many were suggesting the result was a display of rejection for austerity. I'm not sure it was quite a rejection of austerity but Corbyn certainly did manage to capitalise on a sombre economic mood, providing those feeling the squeeze with some much-needed enthusiasm. The saying goes "it's the economy, stupid" in explaining the factors that win elections and I would suggest that the Conservatives didn't do as they would have expected because they forgot how they won in 2015; economic credibility. It's not that Labour suddenly became credible on the economy, it's that the Conservatives didn't attack Corbyn's economic policy anywhere near enough to convince the public it wasn't viable, whilst also not continuing to offer the case for fiscal responsibility. In fact, I'd say Corbyn was given an almost free ride on this matter. Where were the Thatcher soundbites? There was nothing along the lines of: "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" and where was the effort to show up the failings of socialism throughout history and across the world. You don't need to look at Venezuela, UK examples would have sufficed. They compounded the problem by offering an energy price cap for which Miliband was derided two years ago, part of a wider abandonment of Thatcher's free market economics. 

 

That brings me on to my next point. The Conservatives, and the rest of us free marketeers, have failed to sell the wonder of the free markets to the youth (my peers) as well as others. Complacency set in because it was assumed that people bought into the idea, and now there is no Friedman et al to arrest the issue. The problem is that the phoney corporatism which stifles the markets, has become synonymous with capitalist free markets and there has been a failure to unhook this. The young, in particular, make use of a hell of a lot of products of a competitive market encouraging innovation. A fairly regulated, competitive market is wonderful. It's a shame that successive governments have often failed by assuming being pro-business is the same as favouring the free market. It's not. Also, the narrative of aspiration, growth, and opportunity, which the Conservatives used to be able to sell, has evaporated. Part of that narrative would be for generational co-operation, based on the idea of smoothing consumption over time and helping each other out, so the current conflict between young and old helps show the failure. It's time to engage in a battle of ideas again to convince younger voters of the merit of the free market, before too much ground is ceded. 

 

This again brings me my next point. The Conservatives completely failed to engage with the younger voter. Of course, it's always going to be difficult when the opposition is giving away £11bn to students but they were utterly pathetic in wooing the youth. Many will say that younger people tend to be, naturally, more left wing. That's not true, even if they identify that way, it's not necessarily cause their beliefs support it, it's because the right has allowed it's label to become toxic and allowed the left to monopolise compassion. They may be more 'virtuous' and 'idealistic' but that doesn't have to come from the left. It is entirely possible for the right to offer them the chance to make a different and appeal to their emotion whilst still offering 'conservative' solutions to the problems we face. It is no surprise that they fell in love with a guy that comes across as loveable whilst the Conservatives offered up a faceless, robotic, and uninspiring campaign led by someone with no personality. Corbyn had them drunk on love and compassion, normally reserved to rolling on ecstasy. When both were asked, albeit differently, the naughtiest thing they had done, May expressionlessly says running through fields, Corbyn smirks and says it's too naughty to tell you. Both amuse but only one endears. Then there's the respective visions set out. There are many that voted for Corbyn fully believing he couldn't implement his manifesto, knowing that it couldn't be afforded. But he offered hope and positivity that has been heavily lacking in recent years, May offered to kill cute little foxes. The youth want someone to be positive about the future so they can feel positive about the future. So many of my peers seek any escape from reality and the pressures of modern life that they can find, politically Corbyn offered comparative hedonism. Of course, it's not just the youth that respond to this youth angst makes them more receptive.

 

However, not winning over the youth vote isn’t why the Conservatives lost seats such as High Peak and failed to gain seats like heavily pro-Brexit Norfolk North. These seats are heavily rural and have older populations. Understandably, given their lead in the polls, the Conservatives began trying to shore up this new-found support, neglecting their core support. Despite having considerable merit, it is clear the social care policy will have hit them hard, partly because it was not full thought through and terribly explained, but also because it was an attack on core support. Once core support starts to show dissent, it’s very difficult to galvanise new support. It is, however, not only the seeming attack on the elderly which caused problems with core support. The Conservatives can normally rely on the rural vote and thus neglected them this time around. Except, following Brexit, rural communities are anxious over their future given EU subsidies for farming and support for rural communities. They needed reassurance and a clear vision from the Conservatives; the manifesto was threadbare on rural policies. They had been forgotten, taken for granted. What did appear was a promise to have a free vote on repealing the fox-hunting ban. Fox-hunting is opposed by 74% of the rural community.

 

Clearly, the electoral failure of the Conservatives, as is the case with most failed campaigns, must lie with the people that led it: Theresa May and her closest aides. They created a rubbish, deeply unpopular manifesto, formulated a strategy which treated the voters with divine contempt, and offered up a prime ministerial candidate who was robotic and dull. All of that is a result of them insisting on having a closed circle, to the extent that senior ministers had to talk to May’s joint chief of staff before they could speak directly to her. Not only does this mean that the manifesto was written with closed set of ideas, it also served to alienate the party. How could they expect the party to sell a manifesto which they had no role in creating, didn’t particularly support themselves, and knew was unpopular with voters. It made embarrassing U-turns inevitable, U-turns that embarrassed those that had to defend the manifesto and therefore further alienating them. This small circle has always been used to protecting Theresa May and, as such, were busy trying to protect her rather than supporting the party. The party had no answer to it. A wider, more diverse campaign team supported by full discussion within the party could have formulated a way for the party to push back. I suggested early in the campaign that May’s downfall could be her lack of trust beyond her closest circle and it has come to fruition. She has now lost her two chief of staff, lost her party and probably her job very soon. It is as big a fall from grace as you will see.

 

For the Conservative party to move forward, it needs to put more trust in its younger, more progressive, liberal element. There is some talent within the 2015 intake and whilst it might be early in their political careers, there is a need to replace some of the rigid, stuffier element of the party, like May, Hammond, and Fallon. Sajid Javid, as a genuine liberal free-thinker, free market proponent, must be prominent. That is the future of the party. The old-fashioned, hard right needs standing up to. At the end of the day, if they cause too many problems, they get a Labour government that they would find insufferable. The party must be bold; Labour has been forced to be bold through infiltration and it has semi-worked. This election was supposed to be a landslide victory, a coronation of Theresa May, and the chance to send Labour into medium-term electoral oblivion. Instead the Conservatives have come out of it wounded, facing an inevitable civil war, weakening their own Brexit position, and facing the possibility of more electoral damage to come. Wilson said: “A week in politics is a long time”, six weeks seems like a lifetime.

[Stadt]

Brilliant analysis that @KingGTF

 

I especially agree with the point about the left/Labour campaign monopolising compassion. The Tories (lack of) campaigning was basically negative presentations of the status quo whilst Corbyn offered reform and change which I think was the most instrumental aspect in mobilising the youth vote rather than just left wing politics.

[Sharpe's Fox]

If anyone quotes that they deserve banning just @ it

[LiberalFox]

@KingGTF

 

Not a bad analysis. There are some good liberal people who identify closer to the Conservatives, yet time and again the Conservatives prove no more liberal than Labour.

 

 

[Sharpe's Fox]

21 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

@KingGTF

 

Not a bad analysis. There are some good liberal people who identify closer to the Conservatives, yet time and again the Conservatives prove no more liberal than Labour.

 

 

Neither do the Liberal Democrats tbf. SDP-lite

[Thracian]

2 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

In the short-term, it is sensationalist crap. The IRA won't suddenly take up arms again just because the DUP are involved in the UK government in some way.

Sinn Fein may also be quite happy about some likely DUP demands - opposition to a hard border with the Republic, investment in Northern Irish infrastructure (provided it is not just in unionist areas!), more cash for public services.

 

The short-term risk is that it might jeopardise efforts to get the Stormont Assembly up and running again, if the UK Govt is not perceived to be neutral between the 2 sides. If power-sharing continues to be a problem, that will increase tensions. Again, I'm not suggesting that the IRA would return to violence, but dissident Republican groups might - and there could be a drift of support towards them among the more hot-headed Republican youth.

 

The medium-term risk is of all this spiralling slowly out of control - particularly if the Irish border issue isn't resolved quickly in Brexit talks. Barring the odd dissident or hothead, peace has now held for 20 years since the Good Friday Agreement. Both communities, including the vast majority of Republicans and Loyalists, have accepted the Good Friday Agreement and power-sharing as an acceptable compromise. A compromise that avoids a pointless war that neither side can win and one that leaves the hopes of both sides intact - N. Ireland remains part of the UK but a united Ireland remains a possibility one day if there is ever majority support for it. In the meantime, both communities share power in the North, both London and Dublin get involved in relevant policy areas and there's an economic "peace dividend" as more firms invest, tourists visit etc, even if the economy remains heavily dependent on the public sector. 

 

Part of the reason why this peaceful compromise has held is because London, under successive Labour & Tory governments, has remained quite neutral. It hasn't intervened in N. Ireland, taking sides with unionists or nationalists. Instead, most decisions are taken in Belfast by the Northern Irish parties on both sides, but with input from London and a bit from Dublin. If May's government gets too cosy with the DUP, the risk is that Sinn Fein will see London as a partisan, pro-unionist, anti-nationalist player in the game. On the one hand, this isn't big news to them. They know that the Tories support the unionist cause more than the nationalist one.

 

But proclaiming it out loud, as May deliberately did yesterday, referring to the "Conservative and Unionist Party", was either unbelievably thick or incredibly cynical and reckless about the Peace Process. They were words only, and the Tory Party does have "Unionist" in its full name, but it was a needless provocation. If that is followed by concessions to the DUP that are perceived to be partisan and pro-unionist, that will risk the peace in the long-term. If the Tory-DUP coalition proceeds, let's hope they limit concessions to prioritising a soft border and offering more cash for projects that benefit EVERYONE in N. Ireland - and nothing purely designed to benefit the Unionist side.

I fail to see how May will survive more than temporarily so that particular problem should disappear sooner rather than later - and good riddance. I'm glad her aids have gone too (as i called for yesterday) because so much of the manifesto was annoying to be associated with both to me and so many others who voted Conservative as well, from comments made and conservations I've had.

 

As I said all along the election choices were truly awful and, for  the Conservatives their credibility got worse rather than better which takes some doing at election time even with Corbyn seemingly conducting the British Broadcasting Pravda like his own orchestra.      

 

The Tories were way out of touch on university fees, for instance, an area where I'd expect them to be entirely sympathetic but on other things too which amounted to own goals and served no great tactical or philosophical purpose and certainly didn't equate with May's claims to want fair and caring government for all, or words to that effect,

 

For me it has to be right that the government - any government - remains as neutral as possible over Northern Ireland thus allowing the peace process to be maintained and serve its purpose. Yet May, far from seeming "tough" is starting to look like a non-swimmer drifting way out of her depth and at the cost of her credibility.     

 

            

 

 

[Izzy]

I'm getting a bit sick and tired of the personal abuse Teresa May is now receiving in general. I'm not her biggest fan but she's getting dogs abuse left right and centre from every angle at the minute. She's only trying to do the job to the best of her ability and she's only human with feelings like the rest of us. I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for the old dear tbh...

[Steven]

13 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I'm getting a bit sick and tired of the personal abuse Teresa May is now receiving in general. I'm not her biggest fan but she's getting dogs abuse left right and centre from every angle at the minute. She's only trying to do the job to the best of her ability and she's only human with feelings like the rest of us. I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for the old dear tbh...

Don't. She is a psychopath who only cares about herself.

 

If she agrees to things like this when there are better options for Britain; don't feel the merest scintilla of pity for her.

 

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The DUP has agreed in principle a "confidence and supply" deal to support a Conservative government, it has been announced

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40236152

[Sharpe's Fox]

26 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I'm getting a bit sick and tired of the personal abuse Teresa May is now receiving in general. I'm not her biggest fan but she's getting dogs abuse left right and centre from every angle at the minute. She's only trying to do the job to the best of her ability and she's only human with feelings like the rest of us. I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for the old dear tbh...

Where were you when Dianne Abbott was being stripped down in front of everyone? If elected officials are shit they deserve to get smacked about a bit in the media no matter who they are.

[ramboacdc]

35 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I'm getting a bit sick and tired of the personal abuse Teresa May is now receiving in general. I'm not her biggest fan but she's getting dogs abuse left right and centre from every angle at the minute. She's only trying to do the job to the best of her ability and she's only human with feelings like the rest of us. I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for the old dear tbh...

now she knows how corbyn has felt for 2 years. 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

31 minutes ago, Steven said:

Don't. She is a psychopath who only cares about herself.

 

If she agrees to things like this when there are better options for Britain; don't feel the merest scintilla of pity for her.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40236152

So when do we all start pretending that this is a good idea?

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

I hear 500,000 signatures protesting against the C&S arrangement with the DUP.  Also apparently some really nasty stuff bring posted about May, Tories and DUP. No shock, the left can be very nasty.

 

I have not had all I wanted in life. I didn't want Blair's, 2nd or 3rd win. I didn't want to go to war, twice. I didn't want "open door" immigration in the early 2000's without a care for its impact on communities in such numbers. Particularly sickening now as he is found out to have deliberately done it to piss the Tories off and change the demographics of the UK. However, I just had to suck it up and watch the show. I didn't riot, i didn't make placards with obscene comments, I didn't have twitter or Fakebook to bleat on, just the pub, work, sport, the mrs and mates to quietly share feelings. The petition is just another example of the left unable to understand democracy. The yoof must learn about how democracy works and not getting what they want. A good lesson to learn for the snowflakes. Your vote counts no more than one! One.

 

Whatever happens in the long run, right or wrong in your view, it's democracy in action, so suck it up! It will play out in time and you can seek revenge with your "one" vote, if thats what you want. Democracy must always prevail. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

I hear 500,000 signatures protesting against the C&S arrangement with the DUP.  Also apparently some really nasty stuff bring posted about May, Tories and DUP. No shock, the left can be very nasty.

 

I have not had all I wanted in life. I didn't want Blair's, 2nd or 3rd win. I didn't want to go to war, twice. I didn't want "open door" immigration in the early 2000's without a care for its impact on communities in such numbers. Particularly sickening now as he is found out to have deliberately done it to piss the Tories off and change the demographics of the UK. However, I just had to suck it up and watch the show. I didn't riot, i didn't make placards with obscene comments, I didn't have twitter or Fakebook to bleat on, just the pub, work, sport, the mrs and mates to quietly share feelings. The petition is just another example of the left unable to understand democracy. The yoof must learn about how democracy works and not getting what they want. A good lesson to learn for the snowflakes. Your vote counts no more than one! One.

 

Whatever happens in the long run, right or wrong in your view, it's democracy in action, so suck it up! It will play out in time and you can seek revenge with your "one" vote, if thats what you want. Democracy must always prevail. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whilst I do understand your point here, there are some reasonable objections people might have to a DUP alliance - they are heavily linked to paramilitary groups (particularly ironic given the rights portrayal of Corbyn) and it could cause problems for the Good Friday Agreement. I'm not necessarily saying that I think a petition is worthwhile but it is what it is. If a more febrile electorate is the price to pay for having a younger electorate then that is definitely a price worth paying as it is more than about time the young got involved politically again. 

 

I have to say, I really don't like the use of the word snowflakes to patronise people of opposing views. 

[Steven]

8 minutes ago, toddybad said:

Whilst I do understand your point here, there are some reasonable objections people might have to a DUP alliance - they are heavily linked to paramilitary groups (particularly ironic given the rights portrayal of Corbyn) and it could cause problems for the Good Friday Agreement. I'm not necessarily saying that I think a petition is worthwhile but it is what it is. If a more febrile electorate is the price to pay for having a younger electorate then that is definitely a price worth paying as it is more than about time the young got involved politically again. 

 

I have to say, I really don't like the use of the word snowflakes to patronise people of opposing views. 

This.

[Stadt]

26 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

I hear 500,000 signatures protesting against the C&S arrangement with the DUP.  Also apparently some really nasty stuff bring posted about May, Tories and DUP. No shock, the left can be very nasty.

 

I have not had all I wanted in life. I didn't want Blair's, 2nd or 3rd win. I didn't want to go to war, twice. I didn't want "open door" immigration in the early 2000's without a care for its impact on communities in such numbers. Particularly sickening now as he is found out to have deliberately done it to piss the Tories off and change the demographics of the UK. However, I just had to suck it up and watch the show. I didn't riot, i didn't make placards with obscene comments, I didn't have twitter or Fakebook to bleat on, just the pub, work, sport, the mrs and mates to quietly share feelings. The petition is just another example of the left unable to understand democracy. The yoof must learn about how democracy works and not getting what they want. A good lesson to learn for the snowflakes. Your vote counts no more than one! One.

 

Whatever happens in the long run, right or wrong in your view, it's democracy in action, so suck it up! It will play out in time and you can seek revenge with your "one" vote, if thats what you want. Democracy must always prevail. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not even left wing but if people want to protest (petitions are a bollocks way of protesting) then they have every right to do so which is an important part of democracy too. If these people fervently don't want the confidence & supply deal to happen then are they supposed to do nothing and stay in silence? 

[Izzy]

42 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Where were you when Dianne Abbott was being stripped down in front of everyone? If elected officials are shit they deserve to get smacked about a bit in the media no matter who they are.

I'm all for holding elected officials to account but there's a difference between attacking someone's skills/competence/behaviour and their personality. 

 

I criticised Dianne Abbott for her failure to grasp the numbers. For all I know she might be a lovely person. I even suggested she may be on drugs due to her bizarre behaviour in some interviews - turns out she may have been seeing as she's ill.

 

What I'm talking about are all the endless personal attacks on May's personality recently. On this thread and social media in general recently she's been called Evil, Vile, Smug, Horrendous, Bitch, Cow, Fraud, Psycopath, Delusional and Shit, amongst other terms.

 

She may well be performing badly at her job, but all the personal insults she's receiving are becoming a bit unnecessary Imo.

[Rincewind]

I know at least one person who is happy. He is gay and has contacts in Ireland who say that supporters of DUB have burnt down gay pubs resulting in deaths. DUP are anti abortion anti gay marriage anti science fundamentalists. Do we want their input however small into a modern progressive society? Does May actually agree with their views or is she just trying to hang onto poer.

Did she not say something like if Corbyn gains so many seats then he should be PM?

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

3 minutes ago, toddybad said:

Whilst I do understand your point here, there are some reasonable objections people might have to a DUP alliance - they are heavily linked to paramilitary groups (particularly ironic given the rights portrayal of Corbyn) and it could cause problems for the Good Friday Agreement. If a more febrile electorate is the price to pay for having a younger electorate then that is definitely a price worth paying as it is more than about time the young got involved politically again. 

1) the DUP have retry much always voted with the Tories, just never needing a formal agreement to actually there is no real change.

2) The left / BBC will now promote a destabilising agenda regarding NI. Just like Brexit, they will want it to fail, use the excuse the enemy caused it. As usual Fake news..... to make news.

3) the young are more than entitled to vote, their one vote. They're normally too lazy pulling their plumbs or sleeping in bed to vote. Give away a £11 Billion bribe, mobilise Tawtter/Fakebook and suddenly they can prize themselves away from the Xbox or pub to vote. Good move by Corbyn.

 

No wonder he wants 16 year old voting. Even more likely to have "no clue" about the real world, be brainwashed by social media and vote for giveaways. Also, fresh from finishing school having the acknowledged very left wing teachers guide their vote accordingly. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

1) the DUP have retry much always voted with the Tories, just never needing a formal agreement to actually there is no real change.

2) The left / BBC will now promote a destabilising agenda regarding NI. Just like Brexit, they will want it to fail, use the excuse the enemy caused it. As usual Fake news..... to make news.

3) the young are more than entitled to vote, their one vote. They're normally too lazy pulling their plumbs or sleeping in bed to vote. Give away a £11 Billion bribe, mobilise Tawtter/Fakebook and suddenly they can prize themselves away from the Xbox or pub to vote. Good move by Corbyn.

 

No wonder he wants 16 year old voting. Even more likely to have "no clue" about the real world, be brainwashed by social media and vote for giveaways. Also, fresh from finishing school having the acknowledged very left wing teachers guide their vote accordingly. 

You must get invited to a lot of parties. 

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

But most of the younger voters are Snowflakes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Snowflake

 

Snowflakes can't cope with views or outcomes that don't fit their own narrative, hence why so many protest, get violent, create nasty placards, nasty comments on social media and so on and on....

 

It also happens that most (not all) voters under the age of 25 are left leaning in their views. Hence why they are referred to as being Snowflakes when disliking any right leaning outcomes.

 

 

 

 

[Tielemans63]

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

12 minutes ago, toddybad said:

You must get invited to a lot of parties. 

Usual response to losing an argument... sling an offensive reply.

[Charl91]

21 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

1) the DUP have retry much always voted with the Tories, just never needing a formal agreement to actually there is no real change.

2) The left / BBC will now promote a destabilising agenda regarding NI. Just like Brexit, they will want it to fail, use the excuse the enemy caused it. As usual Fake news..... to make news.

3) the young are more than entitled to vote, their one vote. They're normally too lazy pulling their plumbs or sleeping in bed to vote. Give away a £11 Billion bribe, mobilise Tawtter/Fakebook and suddenly they can prize themselves away from the Xbox or pub to vote. Good move by Corbyn.

 

No wonder he wants 16 year old voting. Even more likely to have "no clue" about the real world, be brainwashed by social media and vote for giveaways. Also, fresh from finishing school having the acknowledged very left wing teachers guide their vote accordingly. 

 

5 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

But most of the younger voters are Snowflakes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Snowflake

 

Snowflakes can't cope with views or outcomes that don't fit their own narrative, hence why so many protest, get violent, create nasty placards, nasty comments on social media and so on and on....

 

It also happens that most (not all) voters under the age of 25 are left leaning in their views. Hence why they are referred to as being Snowflakes when disliking any right leaning outcomes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

May I just add that you're being far more precious than any "snowflake". Better get back into that freezer before you melt.