General Election, June 8th

[Guest]

Just now, Dirkster the Fox said:

Usual response to losing an argument... sling an offensive reply.

I wasn't losing an argument. I just read your bile filled rant against the young and decided you're probably not the sort of person I want to get into conversation with. I think you need to re-read your last few posts if you think that was offensive. If I wanted to offend you I'd try much harder than that. I suspect we're not likely to agree so I'm opting to leave you to it. 

[Carl the Llama]

3 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

Usual response to losing an argument... sling an offensive reply.

Don't be such a snowflake.

[Tielemans63]

51 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

I hear 500,000 signatures protesting against the C&S arrangement with the DUP.  Also apparently some really nasty stuff bring posted about May, Tories and DUP. No shock, the left can be very nasty.

 

I have not had all I wanted in life. I didn't want Blair's, 2nd or 3rd win. I didn't want to go to war, twice. I didn't want "open door" immigration in the early 2000's without a care for its impact on communities in such numbers. Particularly sickening now as he is found out to have deliberately done it to piss the Tories off and change the demographics of the UK. However, I just had to suck it up and watch the show. I didn't riot, i didn't make placards with obscene comments, I didn't have twitter or Fakebook to bleat on, just the pub, work, sport, the mrs and mates to quietly share feelings. The petition is just another example of the left unable to understand democracy. The yoof must learn about how democracy works and not getting what they want. A good lesson to learn for the snowflakes. Your vote counts no more than one! One.

 

Whatever happens in the long run, right or wrong in your view, it's democracy in action, so suck it up! It will play out in time and you can seek revenge with your "one" vote, if thats what you want. Democracy must always prevail. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

Snowflakes can't cope with views or outcomes that don't fit their own narrative

 

[Izzy]

This general election really has brought out the very worst in people (me included)

 

 

[Alf Bentley]

39 minutes ago, toddybad said:

Whilst I do understand your point here, there are some reasonable objections people might have to a DUP alliance - they are heavily linked to paramilitary groups (particularly ironic given the rights portrayal of Corbyn) and it could cause problems for the Good Friday Agreement. I'm not necessarily saying that I think a petition is worthwhile but it is what it is. If a more febrile electorate is the price to pay for having a younger electorate then that is definitely a price worth paying as it is more than about time the young got involved politically again. 

 

I have to say, I really don't like the use of the word snowflakes to patronise people of opposing views. 

 

I'm no fan of the DUP, but people do seem to be massively overstating its links to paramilitary groups.

 

Before its commendable conversion to power-sharing, the DUP was certainly noted for its intransigent sectarianism, compared to the Official Unionists. It is also an ultra-religious, highly conservative party. Particular individuals in the DUP have been involved with the loyalist paramilitaries, but the DUP doesn't have structural connections to the UVF/UDA like Sinn Fein has/had to the IRA. Other small loyalist parties (PUP, in particular) do have formal connections to loyalist paramilitaries - and, ironically, are much more forward-looking in their social policies and attitudes.

 

It sounds as if the DUP has been dragging its feet over power-sharing recently, and has been involved in a big scandal involving the waste of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money. It has a long history of bigotry, although it has mellowed a bit. But it doesn't have strong connections to paramilitary loyalism. 

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

1 minute ago, Charl91 said:

 

 

 

 

 So bitter.

About what? Tories won the most votes and seats even with the most incompetent useless leader in history. I'm not bitter, I'm releived (for now) we're not on a direct path to Marxism. I'm happy, not bitter.

 

just pointing out a few views/facts. What I will accept is i don't like it the nasty attitude those younger and left leaning tend to adopt. No need for it. The irony is those same people come up with the "love not hate" stuff.

[Charl91]

Just now, Dirkster the Fox said:

About what? Tories won the most votes and seats even with the most incompetent useless leader in history. I'm not bitter, I'm releived (for now) we're not on a direct path to Marxism. I'm happy, not bitter.

 

just pointing out a few views/facts. What I will accept is i don't like it the nasty attitude those younger and left leaning tend to adopt. No need for it. The irony is those same people come up with the "love not hate" stuff.

 

I think that's just you being a delicate snowflake, dearie.

[Carl the Llama]

1 minute ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

About what? Tories won the most votes and seats even with the most incompetent useless leader in history. I'm not bitter, I'm releived (for now) we're not on a direct path to Marxism. I'm happy, not bitter.

 

just pointing out a few views/facts. What I will accept is i don't like it the nasty attitude those younger and left leaning tend to adopt. No need for it. The irony is those same people come up with the "love not hate" stuff.

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

About what? Tories won the most votes and seats even with the most incompetent useless leader in history. I'm not bitter, I'm releived (for now) we're not on a direct path to Marxism. I'm happy, not bitter.

 

just pointing out a few views/facts. What I will accept is i don't like it the nasty attitude those younger and left leaning tend to adopt. No need for it. The irony is those same people come up with the "love not hate" stuff.

I really didn't want to reply.

There are nasty sods on both sides. As your posts prove.

[Steven]

29 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

1) the DUP have retry much always voted with the Tories, just never needing a formal agreement to actually there is no real change.

2) The left / BBC will now promote a destabilising agenda regarding NI. Just like Brexit, they will want it to fail, use the excuse the enemy caused it. As usual Fake news..... to make news.

3) the young are more than entitled to vote, their one vote. They're normally too lazy pulling their plumbs or sleeping in bed to vote. Give away a £11 Billion bribe, mobilise Tawtter/Fakebook and suddenly they can prize themselves away from the Xbox or pub to vote. Good move by Corbyn.

 

No wonder he wants 16 year old voting. Even more likely to have "no clue" about the real world, be brainwashed by social media and vote for giveaways. Also, fresh from finishing school having the acknowledged very left wing teachers guide their vote accordingly. 

The DUP is not the UUP.

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

6 minutes ago, toddybad said:

I wasn't losing an argument. I just read your bile filled rant against the young and decided you're probably not the sort of person I want to get into conversation with. I think you need to re-read your last few posts if you think that was offensive. If I wanted to offend you I'd try much harder than that. I suspect we're not likely to agree so I'm opting to leave you to it. 

I was young once, so I can remember what it was like. I pulled my plums regularly and was also nieve over many things. Then I slowly grew up with job, house, kids etc. 

 

The one thing we didn't seem to do in the 90s was get so bloody offended about everything. Poll tax, aside. Everyone wanted to get mashed in Ibiza and watch oasis/blur.

 

Jeez....

[LiberalFox]

Dirkster reminds me of that Moosebreath guy, I wonder what happened to him?

 

The "Snowflake" label strikes me as a bit of an own goal by the right. I thought the whole idea of snowflakes was that they were unique, somehow the right has decided to make individualism a term of abuse.

[Voll Blau]

Snowflake is about the worst insult in the history of the world. It's fvcking weather.

 

Yet to encounter anyone actually offended by it.

[Steven]

ULSTER 1986: DUP Supports Attacks on the Homes of RUC Officers. LOYALISTS PREPARE FOR WAR!

 

 

[Rincewind]

I have done a small verse based on a saying. Although it may be true in some cases I think it is unfair to draw a line. The reason the young change vary. It is not always for good reasons. The young are idealists true. They see injustice in the world and want to change it. Then they grow older meet a partner settle down with a family mortgage and a job. Their thoughts turn to themselves and the world they live in. They work their way up the job ladder and mix with different people and are influenced by different ideas. I do not mean this in a bad way and am not getting at anyone. It is just the way I see things. I know people who are still as radical now as they were in their youth. One woman that performs at the WORD poetry night now in her eighties still writes anti bomb work and about   in equality. I know people that have done quite well but still what some would call a Lefty. Anyway here is my little verse. Hope you understand the last two lines. They are a little cryptic.

 

AGES OF POLITICS
If not a leftie in your teens
You have no heart so it seems
And if not on the right at 45
Then you have no brain or unwise
If in later years you can't tell them apart 
Then maybe your brain is embedded in your heart.

[Izzy]

12 minutes ago, Steven said:

ULSTER 1986: DUP Supports Attacks on the Homes of RUC Officers. LOYALISTS PREPARE FOR WAR!

 

 

It's incredible really that Alastair Stewart has hardly aged over the last 31 years 

[Finnaldo]

'Snowflake', fvck me

[Izzy]

29 minutes ago, Rincewind said:

I have done a small verse based on a saying. Although it may be true in some cases I think it is unfair to draw a line. The reason the young change vary. It is not always for good reasons. The young are idealists true. They see injustice in the world and want to change it. Then they grow older meet a partner settle down with a family mortgage and a job. Their thoughts turn to themselves and the world they live in. They work their way up the job ladder and mix with different people and are influenced by different ideas. I do not mean this in a bad way and am not getting at anyone. It is just the way I see things. I know people who are still as radical now as they were in their youth. One woman that performs at the WORD poetry night now in her eighties still writes anti bomb work and about   in equality. I know people that have done quite well but still what some would call a Lefty. Anyway here is my little verse. Hope you understand the last two lines. They are a little cryptic.

 

AGES OF POLITICS
If not a leftie in your teens
You have no heart so it seems
And if not on the right at 45
Then you have no brain or unwise
If in later years you can't tell them apart 
Then maybe your brain is embedded in your heart.

Nice verse mate, I like it.

 

Here's my hastily cobbled together effort:

 

THE FOXESTALK GENERAL ELECTION

 

This General Election had dominated my timeline

The most bitterly contested in my lifetime

This FT thread has sparked mass debate

Throw in your insults, before it's too late

Clever posters, we've had plently

@toddybad, @MattP and @Alf Bentley

I've read all your posts with a smile and a smirk

But it's time to stop, NOW LETS GET TO WORK!!!

 

[Sharpe's Fox]

 

1 hour ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

Snowflakes can't cope with views or outcomes that don't fit their own narrative.

 

[Sharpe's Fox]

 “Ted Heath lost and tried to form another government and tried to get another majority in Parliament.

“And eventually Harold Wilson managed to form a government. She’s taking us back to those times. It’s back to the seventies with Theresa May.

 

 g'won Jezza

[The Doctor]

Dirkster abusing the youth then wondering why they disagree with him - thought it was just the lefties that didn't get that (since the eu still managed to get cast as left v right) 

[Alf Bentley]

3 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

 

 

 

 g'won Jezza

 

 

Could be more like a 1978-79 scenario: Govt relying on a minor party (SNP, then) keeping it in power, limping on for a bit, then collapsing in chaos after the minor party pulled the plug.

When it happened back then, the governing party (Labour, back then) ended up out of power for 18 years...... 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_vote_of_no_confidence_in_the_government_of_James_Callaghan

[Mike Oxlong]

6 hours ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

I was young once, so I can remember what it was like. I pulled my plums regularly and was also nieve over many things. Then I slowly grew up with job, house, kids etc. 

 

The one thing we didn't seem to do in the 90s was get so bloody offended about everything. Poll tax, aside. Everyone wanted to get mashed in Ibiza and watch oasis/blur.

 

Jeez....

 

Thanks for sharing. 

 

You are now officially naughtier than Theresa May.

 

 

 

 

[Strokes]

7 hours ago, Steven said:

ULSTER 1986: DUP Supports Attacks on the Homes of RUC Officers. LOYALISTS PREPARE FOR WAR!

 

 

[Strokes]

6 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

 

 

 

 g'won Jezza

 he is having the time of his life.