Babylon Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 7 hours ago, dmayne7 said: Whoever it was the other day that said all you do is criticise is spot on. You are correct. We only finished 2 places higher. I suppose at the end of the 2014/2015 you expected us to be in the Champions League quarter finals in 2017 having won the Premier League in 2016? The expectations have changed as has the profile and blueprint for this football club. Ok, we gonna sack off Wes, Huth, Simpson, Kasper, Albrighton, DD, Mahrez, Vardy. That's 8 of our regular starters who were part of that struggling team that changed expectations. So it's possible a fully fit and back to normal James can play a part, just like they all continue to do. Because contrary to how much you think we've moved on... two positions higher and 8 of the same 11 says different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 2 hours ago, Sly said: It depends what you want your midfielders to do surely? James isn't dimensional enough as a footballer. King offers a goal threat, always has. James doesn't offer that. He'll most likely be shipped out of at the back of the queue. James is twice the player King is for me, King wasn't fit to lace his boots and was a mile behind him in our promotion season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 Big fan of James but we can't keep using the argument that he was better than DD in the promotion season. That was 3-4 years ago. DD has improved a lot since then and James hasn't due to injury sadly. As for Clucas, we got enough squad fillers. We need starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les-tah Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 25 minutes ago, Babylon said: James is twice the player King is for me, King wasn't fit to lace his boots and was a mile behind him in our promotion season. 6 minutes ago, Koke said: Big fan of James but we can't keep using the argument that he was better than DD in the promotion season. That was 3-4 years ago. DD has improved a lot since then and James hasn't due to injury sadly. As for Clucas, we got enough squad fillers. We need starters. Pre season will tell i think. James will have more to prove and will be very hungry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 6 minutes ago, Koke said: Big fan of James but we can't keep using the argument that he was better than DD in the promotion season. That was 3-4 years ago. DD has improved a lot since then and James hasn't due to injury sadly. As for Clucas, we got enough squad fillers. We need starters. All people want is a chance for him to show if he's capable of reaching the potential he had, which frankly is far more then Clucas has ever shown. There are some obsticals to overcome clearly, but I'd rather he had the chance over signing pure average like Clucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costock_Fox Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 3 minutes ago, les-tah said: Pre season will tell i think. James will have more to prove and will be very hungry. Hope he doesn't put any more weight on, chubby bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 3 minutes ago, les-tah said: Pre season will tell i think. James will have more to prove and will be very hungry. Huge for James, he can't afford any sort of injury. Any lingering issues and I think we'll shuffle the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes21 Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 3 hours ago, Sly said: It depends what you want your midfielders to do surely? James isn't dimensional enough as a footballer. King offers a goal threat, always has. James doesn't offer that. He'll most likely be shipped out of at the back of the queue. If any CM's are likely to leave its Mendy and Amartey (loan or converted to CB) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 By the content of this thread, I am assuming that Clucas and James have been morphed into one human being, and the end result is that he's still not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty98 Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 Am I reading this right? People don't want James because he was part of the team that was bottom of the league for a long period but ended up surviving, yet they want Clucas despite the fact Hull got relegated? Double standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheppyFox Posted 24 June 2017 Author Share Posted 24 June 2017 8 minutes ago, matty98 said: Am I reading this right? People don't want James because he was part of the team that was bottom of the league for a long period but ended up surviving, yet they want Clucas despite the fact Hull got relegated? Double standards. Statistically clucas out performs James is what I think has been mentioned. That's like saying Benny won the league the same as vardy did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 25 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: By the content of this thread, I am assuming that Clucas and James have been morphed into one human being, and the end result is that he's still not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 Don't need this guy.. Out of James, Lawrence and Barnes one of them has to come through this season. We need a real quality signing instead.. Siggy or Silva.. Let's make a statement ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty98 Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 12 minutes ago, SheppyFox said: Statistically clucas out performs James is what I think has been mentioned. That's like saying Benny won the league the same as vardy did Statistically out performs him? Refer to the squawka on page 7. James is better statistically. It's not like saying Benny won the league at all. Benny didn't play any part in us winning the league, James played a key role in the 2014/15 season where we stayed up and Clucas played a key role this season where Hull went down. I'm not saying I personally wouldn't take him based on the fact he got relegated. But it's extremely hypocritical that others are saying they don't want James back based on the fact he nearly got relegated when Clucas actually did get relegated. I accept we probably had a slightly stronger squad than Hull did this season but it's not massively different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 James and Mendy deserve pre season to prove form and fitness. Both could be good squad players. Cba with 'Sam Clucas', if we do sign a midfielder it has to be someone with attacking attributes; someone who can pass, create, score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edingleyfox Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 I remember Clucas playing against us and he looked very lively going forward a real nuisance in fact so I would not dismiss the idea. We do have to allow the likes of Gray and Lawrence to show what they can do or they will be off so that is the down side.I really like Matty James I think he is class but is probably not as attacking as the others mentioned so could play a different role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheppyFox Posted 24 June 2017 Author Share Posted 24 June 2017 16 minutes ago, matty98 said: Statistically out performs him? Refer to the squawka on page 7. James is better statistically. It's not like saying Benny won the league at all. Benny didn't play any part in us winning the league, James played a key role in the 2014/15 season where we stayed up and Clucas played a key role this season where Hull went down. I'm not saying I personally wouldn't take him based on the fact he got relegated. But it's extremely hypocritical that others are saying they don't want James back based on the fact he nearly got relegated when Clucas actually did get relegated. I accept we probably had a slightly stronger squad than Hull did this season but it's not massively different. I didn't know whether he did, I just mean I think people thought he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 That's a no from me. No comment or insight. Just no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 1 hour ago, SheppyFox said: Statistically clucas out performs James is what I think has been mentioned. Does he? James comes out on top in his last championship campaign and his last prem campaign comfortably over Clucas's stats... in fact he has his pants down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheppyFox Posted 24 June 2017 Author Share Posted 24 June 2017 4 hours ago, Babylon said: Does he? James comes out on top in his last championship campaign and his last prem campaign comfortably over Clucas's stats... in fact he has his pants down. No I know he doesn't, didn't know at the time but I meant I think that was the impression people were under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes21 Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 5 hours ago, Babylon said: Clucas played as a winger in the 2015/16 season, so its pretty pointless to use those seasons stats when comparing him to James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 20 minutes ago, foxes21 said: Clucas played as a winger in the 2015/16 season, so its pretty pointless to use those seasons stats when comparing him to James. If he's coming in as a winger then I defiantly don't want him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 57 minutes ago, foxes21 said: Clucas played as a winger in the 2015/16 season, so its pretty pointless to use those seasons stats when comparing him to James. It's not really, because it also shows he's a completely useless winger as well as a bang average CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes21 Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 1 hour ago, Babylon said: It's not really, because it also shows he's a completely useless winger as well as a bang average CM. Firstly your per 90 metric is flawed. Giroud has better per 90 statistics than Diego Costa. Was he better than Costa this season? No. Secondly, I wouldn't say Clucas's stats were average: 6th most tackles won in the league by any CM 8th most interceptions in the league by any CM 2nd best in distance covered by any CM, behind Kante. With better coaching & better players around him, Clucas can only improve on those stats. Both James and Clucas would be good 3rd/4th choice options imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 24 June 2017 Share Posted 24 June 2017 44 minutes ago, foxes21 said: Firstly your per 90 metric is flawed. Giroud has better per 90 statistics than Diego Costa. Was he better than Costa this season? No. Secondly, I wouldn't say Clucas's stats were average: 6th most tackles won in the league by any CM 8th most interceptions in the league by any CM 2nd best in distance covered by any CM, behind Kante. With better coaching & better players around him, Clucas can only improve on those stats. Both James and Clucas would be good 3rd/4th choice options imo. You're comparing one striker who is mostly used as a late sub compared to one who starts. So no I wouldn't suggest that because that can warp them. But that's not the case with James or Clucas whose stats are both based on mostly starts, a fairer playing ground. I said Clucas is bang average, he's 11th for tackles, George Boyd just a few places lower down like he is in distance covered also... yet I don't want us to sign him either because he's equally as average. We also don't need defenesive midfielder with zero creativity. Clucas has played a shit load of minutes more then our players, so his totals are always going to be higher this year, last season when Drinky played a similar amount he pissed all over him, just as N'didi would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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