lifted*fox Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Webbo said: We haven't left yet, nothing has changed so I don't see how it has ruined your business. Are you saying he's lying about the state of his own business? Do you know better than he does about how the total confusion and lack of detail since the referendum has affected his bottom line? From the very start Webbo it's been absolutely clear that you would bulldoze whatever shite version of Brexit has to go through just to say you won the fight. Despite being asked numerous time to share a little bit about why leaving is so important to you and why the EU has been detrimental to your own life - you have never, not once done so on this forum. And now this guy talks openly and honestly about the issues it's caused his business and you're calling him out on it? It's just as well you keep a reminder about being one of the 'nicest blokes on the forum' in your signature - you wouldn't know it otherwise. Edited 31 August 2018 by lifted*fox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 1 minute ago, lifted*fox said: Are you saying he's lying about the state of his own business? Do you know better than he does about how the total confusion and lack of detail since the referendum has affected his bottom line? From the very start Webbo it's been absolutely clear that you would bulldoze whatever shite version of Brexit has to go through just to say you won the fight. Despite being asked numerous time to share a little bit about why leaving is so important to you and why the EU has been detrimental to your own life - you have never, not once done so on this forum. And now this guy talks openly and honestly about the issues it's caused his business and you're calling him out on it? It's just as well you keep a reminder about being one of the 'nicest blokes on the forum' in your signature - you wouldn't know it otherwise. So what business is he in and what changes have happened that have ruined his business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Fox Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 1 hour ago, Webbo said: We haven't left yet, nothing has changed so I don't see how it has ruined your business. Some staff may have left the NHS but there are still more EU citizens entering the country than leaving so I'm sure your hospital isn't staff free. If people are upset because of the way some other people voted then they need to grow up. I'm not responsible for the mardy arsed attitude of some the remainers on here. If they can't accept they lost it's their problem. But surely we've all lost? No one will win at the end of this. Well certainly not the majority of people who voted leave if you look at the prevailing demographics. I was very generous to those very few people who I am acquainted with who voted Leave as I did not want to appear to be preaching about their foolishness from my educated, middle class, metropolitan ivory tower. Also I tried to convince myself that there was obvious data points that I had missed during the campaign which would explain why leaving the EU would be for our betterment and must therefore have formed the basis for the Leave vote. As time has passed however I should really have gone with my initial gut feeling, knowing the individuals, that they were just ****ing idiots. Oh well you live and learn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Brizzle Fox said: But surely we've all lost? No one will win at the end of this. Well certainly not the majority of people who voted leave if you look at the prevailing demographics. I was very generous to those very few people who I am acquainted with who voted Leave as I did not want to appear to be preaching about their foolishness from my educated, middle class, metropolitan ivory tower. Also I tried to convince myself that there was obvious data points that I had missed during the campaign which would explain why leaving the EU would be for our betterment and must therefore have formed the basis for the Leave vote. As time has passed however I should really have gone with my initial gut feeling, knowing the individuals, that they were just ****ing idiots. Oh well you live and learn. What do you mean by the end of this? What signifies the end, when are you measuring the end to be? Edited 31 August 2018 by Strokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 9 minutes ago, Brizzle Fox said: But surely we've all lost? No one will win at the end of this. Well certainly not the majority of people who voted leave if you look at the prevailing demographics. I was very generous to those very few people who I am acquainted with who voted Leave as I did not want to appear to be preaching about their foolishness from my educated, middle class, metropolitan ivory tower. Also I tried to convince myself that there was obvious data points that I had missed during the campaign which would explain why leaving the EU would be for our betterment and must therefore have formed the basis for the Leave vote. As time has passed however I should really have gone with my initial gut feeling, knowing the individuals, that they were just ****ing idiots. Oh well you live and learn. You see, I've never called anyone who voted remain stupid or racist I've never wished any of them dead. I accepted that they were entitled to vote how they wanted and I've never criticised them for it. I don't consider I was being generous, just a grown up. I keep being told that Brexit is a proven disaster and yet we're growing faster than the Eurozone, we've got the lowest unemployment for 40 years, EU citizens are still voting with their feet and moving here. I'm not really sure what the problem is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 1 hour ago, Webbo said: We haven't left yet, nothing has changed so I don't see how it has ruined your business. Some staff may have left the NHS but there are still more EU citizens entering the country than leaving so I'm sure your hospital isn't staff free. If people are upset because of the way some other people voted then they need to grow up. I'm not responsible for the mardy arsed attitude of some the remainers on here. If they can't accept they lost it's their problem. You’ve basically summed up in a few words why people get so upset at still staunch leave voters. If you dont get it now, you probably never will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 Just now, Realist Guy In The Room said: You’ve basically summed up in a few words why people get so upset at still staunch leave voters. If you dont get it now, you probably never will. If your business has gone down, I'm genuinely sorry. What kind of business were you in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 7 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: You’ve basically summed up in a few words why people get so upset at still staunch leave voters. If you dont get it now, you probably never will. He is just asking for a bit more detail, it’s not like he is calling you a liar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markyblue Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 5 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: You’ve basically summed up in a few words why people get so upset at still staunch leave voters. If you dont get it now, you probably never will. Let me assure you people i.e the majority who voted leave are sick to death of your constant moaning. And if you dont get it now ,you never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 1 minute ago, Webbo said: If your business has gone down, I'm genuinely sorry. What kind of business were you in? Financial services specialising in aviation and renewables. The reasons its gone under are many but all based on uncertainty. I’m learning to speak French as I may have to re-locate if I want to rescue it which is a crying shame as I fvcking love this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 2 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Financial services specialising in aviation and renewables. The reasons its gone under are many but all based on uncertainty. I’m learning to speak French as I may have to re-locate if I want to rescue it which is a crying shame as I fvcking love this country. I'm sorry to hear that. We should know by the end of the year what kind of deal or if we're getting any kind of deal so the uncertainty should be over soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 12 minutes ago, Markyblue said: Let me assure you people i.e the majority who voted leave are sick to death of your constant moaning. And if you dont get it now ,you never will. Tough shit. This is the world now. You dont give a fvck about my problems and I sure as hell dont give a fvck about yours. So for the rest of the foreseeable future, the only way to avoid it is to burst your fvcking eardrums and deafen yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markyblue Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 To realist guy in the room. My last remarks were made about remainers in general and not a personal go at you. The one thing i do agree with is this issue is tearing us apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 1 minute ago, Webbo said: I'm sorry to hear that. We should know by the end of the year what kind of deal or if we're getting any kind of deal so the uncertainty should be over soon. Well for me its too late as my clients couldn’t hang around but I fvcking absolutely hope to God that i’m wrong and Brexit is the dogs bollocks. At least i’ll know that it was worth it and some good has come out of all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 2 minutes ago, Markyblue said: To realist guy in the room. My last remarks were made about remainers in general and not a personal go at you. The one thing i do agree with is this issue is tearing us apart. I was snarky in my reply which I shouldn’t have been so I apologise for that. That last sentence really is heartbreaking. Like I just said to Webbo, I hope to God it ends up being worth it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 1 minute ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Well for me its too late as my clients couldn’t hang around but I fvcking absolutely hope to God that i’m wrong and Brexit is the dogs bollocks. At least i’ll know that it was worth it and some good has come out of all of this. Like all change, there'll be some winners and some losers. I regret it when any business goes down. I feel no ill will to you or anyone else but I still believe it's the right thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markyblue Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 Just now, Realist Guy In The Room said: I was snarky in my reply which I shouldn’t have been so I apologise for that. That last sentence really is heartbreaking. Like I just said to Webbo, I hope to God it ends up being worth it. I'm glad you except my apologies and i really do hope things are going to work out for you and yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 Just as I arrive back with my popcorn and you've all ****ing apologised to each other. Nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charl91 Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 2 hours ago, Webbo said: We haven't left yet, nothing has changed so I don't see how it has ruined your business. 1 hour ago, Webbo said: I keep being told that Brexit is a proven disaster and yet we're growing faster than the Eurozone, we've got the lowest unemployment for 40 years, EU citizens are still voting with their feet and moving here. I'm not really sure what the problem is? Webbo point A) Brexit can't have had any negative impacts, because it hasn't happened yet. Webbo point B) Look how well we're doing at the moment, Brexit must be a great thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 2 minutes ago, Charl91 said: Webbo point A) Brexit can't have had any negative impacts, because it hasn't happened yet. Webbo point B) Look how well we're doing at the moment, Brexit must be a great thing. So which one is correct? The point is, if it is a disaster, why aren't things worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 It's all a big heap of pathetic trash, by another anti-Brexit numpty, who tries to undermine a wonderful decision by the voters of our democratic country. Some people will concoct utter drivel to blame Brexit for. These sorts of idiots will blame Brexit for everything. Tough shi- to all those losers out there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charl91 Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: So which one is correct? The point is, if it is a disaster, why aren't things worse? Which one is correct? Well according to you, it looks like they both are, depending on which narrative you're trying to persue at the given moment In my opinion? Personally, I don't think it's currently a 'disaster' (though I've not lost a job because of it); It's a mild/medium annoyance, mainly because I have to pay more for things after we cleverly devalued our own currency. It does have the potential to be a disaster though, depending on what kind of deals we do/don't manage to strike. The whole thing is a shambles; so many potential downsides, and negligible benefits. The very best case scenario is 'not being noticeably worse off than before'; hardly worth the gamble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 Just now, Charl91 said: Which one is correct? Well according to you, it looks like they both are, depending on which narrative you're trying to persue at the given moment In my opinion? Personally, I don't think it's currently a 'disaster' (though I've not lost a job because of it); It's a mild/medium annoyance, mainly because I have to pay more for things after we cleverly devalued our own currency. It does have the potential to be a disaster though, depending on what kind of deals we do/don't manage to strike. The whole thing is a shambles; so many potential downsides, and negligible benefits. The very best case scenario is 'not being noticeably worse off than before'; hardly worth the gamble. What I said was Quote I keep being told that Brexit is a proven disaster and yet we're growing faster than the Eurozone, we've got the lowest unemployment for 40 years, EU citizens are still voting with their feet and moving here. I'm not really sure what the problem is? i.e. We're told Brexit is a disaster but it obviously isn't atm. I'm sorry if you misunderstood,if it's a bit complicated for you, I'll try and dumb it down in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 (edited) No one knows what the final deal is going to be, uncertainty is a killer though and I feel for anyone who has lost out because of that, this is why a stronger government was needed for negotiation from the start and the decision to trigger article 50 daft (once again let's remind only Farage and Corbyn wanted to trigger it the next day) - there had never been any doubt some will gain and some will lose, many have lost out over the years because of the EU and no one said a word. I do agree with @Kopfkino though on the ERG - they are now in the position of threats to try and blockade any sort of deal which is so unhelpful when even Europhiles like Macron are now pressuring the deal for a close business relation. You have to let the elected government negotiate this and bring it back to parliament. By the way, let's not forget some of the people now getting upset at the effect on business on here were the same people voting for a party just last year that wanted to raise Corporation tax back upto 26% and make John McDonnell the chancellor. That would have seen capital flight, job losses and business closure far bigger than any Brexit, but you had no problem voting for that insanity. Now all of a sudden you care about business. Spare me the bullshit, you wouldn't have given a shit after that and you know it. You lot can spare us the lectures on a person and his livelihood being destroyed. Edited 31 August 2018 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charl91 Posted 31 August 2018 Share Posted 31 August 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Webbo said: What I said was i.e. We're told Brexit is a disaster but it obviously isn't atm. But it hasn't happened yet See your previous point. Edited 31 August 2018 by Charl91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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