matty98 Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 Not really a fan of this sort of signing, can't be good for a 17 year olds development to move to a foreign country.
MGLCFC Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 Rooney moved from Everton at 17. Isn't it considered moving from Merseyside to anywhere else in England a move to a foreign country?
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 4 hours ago, matty98 said: Not really a fan of this sort of signing, can't be good for a 17 year olds development to move to a foreign country. Not saying this kid will be the next Messi but why is moving not good for his development? New country, new language, new barriers. Exciting challenges if approached the right way. If anything it'd stand him in better stead? If more of our lads moved abroad it might do them better in the long run rather than being forever comfortable with what they know.
matty98 Posted 4 September 2017 Posted 4 September 2017 40 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said: Not saying this kid will be the next Messi but why is moving not good for his development? New country, new language, new barriers. Exciting challenges if approached the right way. If anything it'd stand him in better stead? If more of our lads moved abroad it might do them better in the long run rather than being forever comfortable with what they know. Because he's a kid, it's a lot to deal with that will distract from his development. At that age you shouldn't have to worry about settling into a new country and learning a new language. So many unnecessary distractions that could well hinder his development, look at Kapustka for example, too much too soon.
Micky Posted 4 September 2017 Posted 4 September 2017 5 hours ago, matty98 said: Because he's a kid, it's a lot to deal with that will distract from his development. At that age you shouldn't have to worry about settling into a new country and learning a new language. So many unnecessary distractions that could well hinder his development, look at Kapustka for example, too much too soon. Yes that really screwed up Messi's development.
ClaphamFox Posted 4 September 2017 Posted 4 September 2017 7 hours ago, matty98 said: Because he's a kid, it's a lot to deal with that will distract from his development. At that age you shouldn't have to worry about settling into a new country and learning a new language. So many unnecessary distractions that could well hinder his development, look at Kapustka for example, too much too soon. I'd love to know what makes you so convinced that Kapustka's failure to impress was due to him having 'too much too soon'.
matty98 Posted 4 September 2017 Posted 4 September 2017 2 hours ago, Micky said: Yes that really screwed up Messi's development. Not really a fair comparison considering they speak Spanish in Argentina. 56 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: I'd love to know what makes you so convinced that Kapustka's failure to impress was due to him having 'too much too soon'. I guess we'll never know, all we have to go on is that he went from a good young prospect who was playing for Poland to a bench player for their under 21s.
deep blue Posted 4 September 2017 Posted 4 September 2017 12 hours ago, matty98 said: Because he's a kid, it's a lot to deal with that will distract from his development. At that age you shouldn't have to worry about settling into a new country and learning a new language. So many unnecessary distractions that could well hinder his development, look at Kapustka for example, too much too soon. I think you're over-generalising. How a guy copes is a very individual thing which depends on his character and his needs and lots of other variables.
Ric Flair Posted 4 September 2017 Posted 4 September 2017 3 hours ago, matty98 said: Not really a fair comparison considering they speak Spanish in Argentina. I guess we'll never know, all we have to go on is that he went from a good young prospect who was playing for Poland to a bench player for their under 21s. What about Iheanacho? He moved from NIgeria to Man City aged 16-17 and developed very well with little problems. Some will settle, some won't. Some English youngsters will make it, a lot won't.
matty98 Posted 4 September 2017 Posted 4 September 2017 7 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: What about Iheanacho? He moved from NIgeria to Man City aged 16-17 and developed very well with little problems. Some will settle, some won't. Some English youngsters will make it, a lot won't. As I said with the Messi comment, Nigeria's first language is English. Being able to communicate is a huge part of football.
Ric Flair Posted 4 September 2017 Posted 4 September 2017 30 minutes ago, matty98 said: As I said with the Messi comment, Nigeria's first language is English. Being able to communicate is a huge part of football. True. But there's plenty of other players whom have come to England 17 or younger and established themselves. Fabregas being one of them.
Stadt Posted 4 September 2017 Posted 4 September 2017 If anything I'd say it's more likely to help a player's development - at least if they've got the right attitude
fuchsntf Posted 4 September 2017 Posted 4 September 2017 19 hours ago, MGLCFC said: Rooney moved from Everton at 17. Isn't it considered moving from Merseyside to anywhere else in England a move to a foreign country? Study football history...just a tip like.. Quoted the wrong post.... meant for ...@matty98
Clever Fox Posted 4 September 2017 Posted 4 September 2017 There's no one size fits all. It really depends on the individual, and that comes mainly from how he's been brought up and educated.I've seen kids flourish and I've seen some crash and burn.Some even had a second coming after going home for a year or two to mature. Basically, if they're a Mammy's boy they usually are homesick. But if they're outgoing and are determined to succeed then they are usually ok. A lot depends on how the Club treat and look after them also.
baldeagle Posted 4 September 2017 Posted 4 September 2017 8 hours ago, matty98 said: As I said with the Messi comment, Nigeria's first language is English. Being able to communicate is a huge part of football. Pretty sure most French people learn English at school
Grebfromgrebland Posted 5 September 2017 Author Posted 5 September 2017 We're not great at this sort of thing.
matty98 Posted 5 September 2017 Posted 5 September 2017 17 hours ago, fuchsntf said: Study football history...just a tip like.. Quoted the wrong post.... meant for ...@matty98 What so because there's been a few success stories that makes what I said wrong? I've not said he's definitely going to fail, I've said I don't think it's good for a players development, I dread to think how many promising young talents have been brought in from abroad only for them to fail. Just look at the top teams U23 squads, lots of foreign players yet how many of them come through to their first teams? The only one I can think of in the past few years is Bellerin. That's poor considering these players are brought over because they are seen as exceptional talents.
fuchsntf Posted 5 September 2017 Posted 5 September 2017 28 minutes ago, matty98 said: What so because there's been a few success stories that makes what I said wrong? I've not said he's definitely going to fail, I've said I don't think it's good for a players development, I dread to think how many promising young talents have been brought in from abroad only for them to fail. Just look at the top teams U23 squads, lots of foreign players yet how many of them come through to their first teams? The only one I can think of in the past few years is Bellerin. That's poor considering these players are brought over because they are seen as exceptional talents. If refering to Coming to England, I would say its a good point, but quite a few young uns, within Europe, S.America have more so since the late 70s took the plunge, some then return home taking that experience with them, some are shown they have to lower their own sights on earlier expectations but still make reasonable careers. I have no idea of ratios, but I bet there are as many homeboys, who go back to filling shelves, or tending sheep, as there are foreigners. Football like other jobs, will have youngsters, that eventually find their level.Because we dont look at the also rans, its doesnt mean they havent forged a football career and get well payed for it, by some and I suppose by that the majority already knew, they werent destined for the top, but still recognised they could earn a few bob more, be recognised and have small accolades from local/provincial locals and media. Then like the reserves of old, and the now young developement squads, there are many who realise they can play decent football but are not talented enough to be profis. It depends I suppose how you measure success..Being clever with finances, and haul out a Permanent career, in the Lower Leagues, can be just as satisfying and no way seen as a failure. I have met foreign young players/sporstman, in other countries, Who even flew to or across borders, because scouts found them teams that would/ could pay more, just to try and give themselves 1st the pennies, but also that possible chance Of cracking it, to a level they were happy at and just maybe a 2nd chance at the real big time. WWide profi football does not run Parallel or dependent on PL or top European clubs only, there are other niches. Plus many foreign kids, even the ones lacking schooling, have a bit more nous has their British peers, on life and how to approach it. I have travelled, lived , played ,worked around the world and have had the good fortune too meet,to come s cross, bump into, all the variables, this life's Societies turn over and around, so one learns the perspective of success and how different people roll along with and without it. But it still doesnt make or prove me better at ideas and thoughts as you or the next man, I am just sharing/exchanging an another perspective and experiences.
sylofox Posted 5 September 2017 Posted 5 September 2017 On 26/07/2017 at 15:12, urban.spaceman said: Born in 2000. Which means he probably wasn't even alive when Martin O'Neill left Leicester City. Christ. And that means what exactly? I bet we have a fair few that where born after MON.
urban.spaceman Posted 5 September 2017 Posted 5 September 2017 2 hours ago, sylofox said: And that means what exactly? I bet we have a fair few that where born after MON. It means I'm getting old Sylo and I just can't handle it!
sylofox Posted 5 September 2017 Posted 5 September 2017 1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said: It means I'm getting old Sylo and I just can't handle it! get a grip none of us are getting younger. Look on the bright side you have seen something most of our fans have not and something many more will never see.
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