Demari Gray's Attitude

[Hitesh]

He showed today he can be creative and worry defenders but needs to learn how to be a team player more. He did that on Tuesday night really well and if he laid the ball off to Mahrez a few times today we would be praising him as the best player ever. He made a few errors and it's frustrating but don't understand how some people want to get on his back and complain about selling him. Tell me another young English midfielder that we could sign with his potential without breaking the bank! Not saying we can't criticise them but no need to go overboard.

[Matt]

Right, not sure where this attitude thing's come from?

 

Last season, maybe he posted one or two things in frustration...I think he had a right to be frustrated don't you? Watching Mahrez serve up shite week after week, Gray might not be as good as Mahrez (yet), he might be selfish, try the odd thing that doesn't work out, but he's young, he's learning and he's not gonna get any better sat on the bench and i'd rather have seen all of that than Mahrez serving up said shite last season.

 

Unfortunately no-one (Ranieri or Shakespeare) had the bollocks to drop him and give Gray a chance, but what's done is done.

 

This season, I think even Gray would admit Mahrez has been playing well, ok, better than Gray can/could.

 

However I think Gray should have come on 10 - 15 minutes earlier than he did.

 

He made it more positive, he actually attacked and we actually went forward, we were better with him on the pitch imo.

 

To quote some quotes that have been said about Mahrez (Bearing in mind he'll be gone soonish, even if it's not this window) when Mahrez has gone and Gray has gone through being pissed off with not being given a chance/being slagged off by the fans for doing nothing wrong..."You'll miss him when he's gone".

 

It's quite possible we'll lose both Mahrez and Gray, then where will we be.

 

By the way (And i'm not making this into a Mahrez v Gray thread, people have already done that) but I remember atleast twice today when Mahrez could have dragged it back but he either crossed across the box when no-one was there/had a shot himself.

[Filbert_Ross]

See his interview after the Shef U game? 

One example where this 'attitude thing' has come from. 

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

2 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

The problem is when you're given a small time to impress he seems to want to do the big impact things in the hope that will get him a start.

As he grows and develops he will realise doing the team thing and playing his game is enough.

He is young and will learn and will get better.

This - he's naive but will get better with experience, hopefully he does get more game time

 

Wonder if Man United fans slag off Pogba for his selfishness? He's fvcking dogshit, took about ten 30 yard potshots today and almost all off target

[inckley fox]

19 minutes ago, Matt said:

Right, not sure where this attitude thing's come from?

 

Last season, maybe he posted one or two things in frustration...I think he had a right to be frustrated don't you? Watching Mahrez serve up shite week after week, Gray might not be as good as Mahrez (yet), he might be selfish, try the odd thing that doesn't work out, but he's young, he's learning and he's not gonna get any better sat on the bench and i'd rather have seen all of that than Mahrez serving up said shite last season.

 

Unfortunately no-one (Ranieri or Shakespeare) had the bollocks to drop him and give Gray a chance, but what's done is done.

 

This season, I think even Gray would admit Mahrez has been playing well, ok, better than Gray can/could.

 

However I think Gray should have come on 10 - 15 minutes earlier than he did.

 

He made it more positive, he actually attacked and we actually went forward, we were better with him on the pitch imo.

 

To quote some quotes that have been said about Mahrez (Bearing in mind he'll be gone soonish, even if it's not this window) when Mahrez has gone and Gray has gone through being pissed off with not being given a chance/being slagged off by the fans for doing nothing wrong..."You'll miss him when he's gone".

 

It's quite possible we'll lose both Mahrez and Gray, then where will we be.

 

By the way (And i'm not making this into a Mahrez v Gray thread, people have already done that) but I remember atleast twice today when Mahrez could have dragged it back but he either crossed across the box when no-one was there/had a shot himself.

It comes from lots of places.

 

There are tenuous things like preconceptions about his group of friends, how popular he appears to be with his team-mates or him looking like he's visibly sulking. And maybe people deduce that he's not the brightest bulb in the shop and is asking for things which a more perceptive player wouldn't ask for. How do you come to that conclusion? Well, there are reasons. The day he nearly decapitated himself, or the time he did nitrous oxide and put it on social media.

 

We make judgements based on such debatable factors all of the time. It's human nature to study body language, so it's normal for fans to use it as a basis for speculation. They're often right too. After all, we've seen Ryan Smith, which gives us a degree of experience.

 

Maybe journalists are speculating when they say that we should either start him or sell him, but if they are then it means they're making the same guesses we are, based on what they've seen. Maybe it's his agent pressurising the club to play him, which I don't think is right. And he's personally backed this up by suggesting on social media that he thinks he should be starting games. Even last season, that was a push. He didn't make the most of his opportunities.

 

The truly top drawer player proves his worth, rather than looking for a move to a big club where he imagines the competition will somehow be lesser; or a smaller club where he'll play, but won't compete for the sort of silverware he's already picked up with us.

 

That said, he wasn't as poor as some are suggesting today. Only he and Mahrez ever really took the game to United, and if he's over-eager to impress than that's understandable. I hope he stays, gets his chances, and makes more of them than he managed to last year. If he's not willing to do that, and Shakespeare knows he isn't, then obviously you sell him when the price is right, and the replacement's at the ready.

[Fox92]

Our only threat today came via Mahrez because he got the ball down and ran at them.

 

And Gray did the same. We were much dangerous with both Mahrez and Gray on.

[matty98]

He's been here nearly 2 years now and I can't see how he's improved at all, bad decision making and poor end product. 

[Finley Parsons]

I don't think Gray is bad, I just think he needs to improve his decision making, I think he has great potential and could be a future England star. I was just frustrated from the loss? Sorry

[Matt]

4 minutes ago, matty98 said:

He's been here nearly 2 years now and I can't see how he's improved at all, bad decision making and poor end product. 

He's not gonna improve getting no game time.

 

Whether it be here or elsewhere he needs game time to improve.

 

I want Mahrez to stay, of course I do but like I said I fear we'll lose both, then we'll be really fucked. "You'll miss them when their gone"

[GaelicFox]

I'm not his biggest fan 

 

but all this greedy shite !!!! 

 

He is a kid 

 

he needs coaching 

 

ronaldo was a greedy git and Michael owen at one stage 

 

he is decent kid , his attitude is questionable but for now we need to see how he is coached to improve this year 

 

then make a call on him 

 

I suspect all the teams looking to buy him can see how they can turn him into a 40m player 

[Fox92]

32 minutes ago, matty98 said:

He's been here nearly 2 years now and I can't see how he's improved at all, bad decision making and poor end product. 

He's not going to improve playing 20 mins a game.

 

One of our best chances today was King coming from a good Gray cross.

[Bagworthblue]

He is young, ambitious and no doubt surrounded by some people who tell him he should be playing and is getting frustrated. However,  the press take every soundbite and exaggerate it so it's likely his attitude isn't quite what's being portrayed. On the pitch he does need developing but he is still young and probably trying too hard hence making selfish decisions. He needs to watch his performances back (which I know each player does via a video made for them all of their own play) and be mindful that 90% of every players game is off the ball and that off the ball play is just as important as on the ball. I'm sure he is being told this and shown just what Albrighton offers both on and off the ball is superior overall. Hopefully he takes more stock of this and works on developping his game rather than listening to peeps who tell him he should be playing and not being open todeveloping his game. I think the press are bigging up this perceived attitude problem personally though.

[Guest]

Someone who wants to critisize a young skilfull player really should make the effort to spell his name correctly. 

[splinterdream]

I really don't like the way he's being managed, it seems he's being brought on when we need to change the game, instead we need to be starting him against weaker opposition and allowing him to grow into the team and the pace of the prem, he's only 21 with very little prem game time, he has great partnership experience with Chilwell, why are we putting this pressure on him and then slating him for his attitude?

[Ecdysiast]

We should loan Demari out to the French or Dutch league for this season. 

The experience of living abroad, away from his "friends" and growing up a bit in a foreign culture should transform him if he's got anything about him at all. The football culture there would also teach him to pass occasionally.

We're lucky to have a very talented young man, who should be our long-term replacement for Riyad.

Incidently, he also had no summer break this year due to the internationals - that always screws up a season.

[WoodyFox]

Doesn't get a game so he moans > gets an opportunity because he moaned > wastes his opportunity > back on the bench > repeat

[TheMightySystem]

24 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

I really don't like the way he's being managed, it seems he's being brought on when we need to change the game, instead we need to be starting him against weaker opposition and allowing him to grow into the team and the pace of the prem, he's only 21 with very little prem game time, he has great partnership experience with Chilwell, why are we putting this pressure on him and then slating him for his attitude?

Makes me laugh, people said we couldn't risk bringing him on for 20-30 minutes against Brighton when we were winning, yet yesterday Shakespeare decided to bring him  on with 20 to go against a team which will be top 4 at the end of the season and they were on top of us. It proved to be the right move as well as he made us look more dangerous, he isn't afraid to have a go from distance (although it was the wrong choice) but he also tried to play Mahrez through, gave King a clear cut opportunity which should have been converted if not for De Gea's brilliant save, and added some pace to our midfield by carrying the ball 20 yards quickly.

2 minutes ago, WoodyFox said:

Doesn't get a game so he moans > gets an opportunity because he moaned > wastes his opportunity > back on the bench > repeat

When has he moaned recently then? Examples please as it seems people are just making up shit now to have a go at him. The only time he moaned was when Mahrez was god awful last season and Gray wasn't getting a sniff.

[splinterdream]

We did look more dangerous but I felt that was some way down to Utd taking their foot off the gas as they felt the game was won.  I'm prepared to see some frustrating performances with Gray but if you give him 15 game starts with Chilwell and if he doesn't improve then get rid.

[Redouane]

18 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

The problem is when you're given a small time to impress he seems to want to do the big impact things in the hope that will get him a start.

As he grows and develops he will realise doing the team thing and playing his game is enough.

He is young and will learn and will get better.

Then maybe he should be sent on loan, or he just play Cup games.. not tight games versus one of the strongest sides in the PL

[splinterdream]

22 minutes ago, Redouane said:

Then maybe he should be sent on loan, or he just play Cup games.. not tight games versus one of the strongest sides in the PL

He's too good to go out on loan or just play cup games, he needs PL starts as does Chilwell or they're going to move on 

[Redouane]

8 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

He's too good to go out on loan or just play cup games, he needs PL starts as does Chilwell or they're going to move on 

Clearly he isn't as good as you think he is. Maybe give him time versus Brighton, not Man United.

[splinterdream]

10 minutes ago, Redouane said:

Clearly he isn't as good as you think he is. Maybe give him time versus Brighton, not Man United.

I just remember posts moaning about mahrez being too greedy and losing the ball a lot when he first joined, I remember seeing Ronaldo when he first joined Utd losing the ball due to his attempts at being creative and his constant step overs.

 

we have a rough diamond with Gray, are we going to cut it and polish it or are we going to hand it to someone else because I'm sure there's plenty of takers

[Jimmy]

19 hours ago, Webbo said:

Maybe if he played every week he wouldn't be so desperate to impress, the thing is we can't afford to give him that time until he learns.

yes we could if we had a manager with the balls to do it, or a manager with enough clout and no backroom team backstabbing him saying we ain't playing 442 so get over it or go play for the U23s.

 

time and time again, game after game the top sides completely dismantle our midfield yet we still play 442, when we should be starting how we looked after the double sub, 3 men in the midfield with both Gray and Mahrez on to provide support and ammunition for Vardy/Iheanacho/Slimani

[Redouane]

33 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

I just remember posts moaning about mahrez being too greedy and losing the ball a lot when he first joined, I remember seeing Ronaldo when he first joined Utd losing the ball due to his attempts at being creative and his constant step overs.

 

we have a rough diamond with Gray, are we going to cut it and polish it or are we going to hand it to someone else because I'm sure there's plenty of takers

It's not the same for two reasons:

 

1) Man Utd could afford to give Ronaldo a bit of freedom to do what he wants, considering the players surrounding him at the time.

2) Mahrez joined the club in the Championship. Leicester were not very known before the title win, so the expectation were surely lower. And the quality of football was surely inferior. Obviously the PL is just another level 

[Jimmy]

13 minutes ago, Redouane said:

It's not the same for two reasons:

 

1) Man Utd could afford to give Ronaldo a bit of freedom to do what he wants, considering the players surrounding him at the time.

2) Mahrez joined the club in the Championship. Leicester were not very known before the title win, so the expectation were surely lower. And the quality of football was surely inferior. Obviously the PL is just another level 

its exactly the same it doesn't matter the level, Mahrez was and still is very selfish when on the ball but unlike Gray he doesn't have the excuse of youth