Demari Gray's Attitude

[volpeazzurro]

I will judge him more when he's had a run of about 6 consecutive games where he's had time to make a few mistakes and quickly learn from. When he only comes on for the odd 10 minutes,  the tendency is for a young player to do too much trying to impress.

 

I don't know whether Bournemouth really tried to buy him or whether it was  all press talk. Likewise with Spurs for 25 million although if that was the case, Pochetino clearly thinks he's more promising than some of our own supporters do.

[Jimmy]

1 hour ago, volpeazzurro said:

I will judge him more when he's had a run of about 6 consecutive games where he's had time to make a few mistakes and quickly learn from. When he only comes on for the odd 10 minutes,  the tendency is for a young player to do too much trying to impress.

 

I don't know whether Bournemouth really tried to buy him or whether it was  all press talk. Likewise with Spurs for 25 million although if that was the case, Pochetino clearly thinks he's more promising than some of our own supporters do.

I was listening to Fighting Talk yesterday and they had QPR striker Matt Smith on, he was watching Sky Sports News sat next to Tom Cairney when SSN reporter said Newcastle had agreed a swap deal with Fulham for Cairney and Dwight Gayle he looked at Cairney who he'd been with for several hours who looked as bemused as him and said he knew nothing about it

[volpeazzurro]

15 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

I was listening to Fighting Talk yesterday and they had QPR striker Matt Smith on, he was watching Sky Sports News sat next to Tom Cairney when SSN reporter said Newcastle had agreed a swap deal with Fulham for Cairney and Dwight Gayle he looked at Cairney who he'd been with for several hours who looked as bemused as him and said he knew nothing about it

Haha! You couldn't write it could you. Too think some of these so called journalist make a living by guesswork or totally making things up! On the other hand Cairnry must be sitting there thinking 'am I on my way to the Premiership'? 

[Jaspa]

Its mainly agent stuff really, who from signing a contract with a release clause at Brum has done the job excellently for Dimmy Damma. He wants more money and more playing time, does he deserve that? I'd say so.

 

Give him a new contract, balls to the wall though - make sure there's no release clause so if he does realise most of his potential we can make bank and for now pay him just enough to be pleased but also just under so he has the need to up his game in the next year or two. If he doesn't make it after that point don't give him anything else and bin him off to some newly promo'd or Bournemouth if they still believe in him -5 goals and 3 years later.

 

He's frustrating and irritating to watch, the Sunderland home game last season really summed it all up but he's a unique talent and still with potential, physically quick and relatively tall, skillful, athletic and determined; its there. As a club the decisions have to be made to let him flourish.

[inckley fox]

6 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

I think Gray is trolling the internet and we're constantly falling for it!

 

Maybe he uses Twitter for his own amusement to see what saddo reactions he can get from random tweets.

 

It's like he enjoys winding people up.

Is he capable of sardonicism? This is a man who nearly cut his own head off by walking into a helicopter blade. A professional sportsman, warming the bench at a lower mid-table side, who recorded himself doing nitrous and published the picture.

 

As someone stated, he's never slated the fans and by-and-large he's continued to get a good reception off of them. So why would he want to wind them up with that sort of post? If that's what he's doing, it's playground stuff.

 

However, I'd worry more about how he's bought into the team ethic, or whether he's performing. As regards the former, I don't know. I hope this latest grumble, if it is a grumble, isn't a sign that he hasn't. For a club which has achieved so much from its togetherness, you have to hope there's no problem there. With respect to the latter, he's obviously got potential but has fallen well short of displacing Mahrez / Albrighton.

 

But he's not done badly out of us for a 20 year old who joined from the 2nd tier for a modest fee. He picked up a PL winner's medal after 5 months, made 41 appearances last season, including 9 PL starts. At some point in his career, if he's to be a top player, he's going to have to mature, improve, and take his chances rather than look for a safe space, like Bournemouth, where people are more likely to tolerate his shortcomings.

 

I prefer to think that the post was because of the game in question. I fear it was a symptom, rather than a severe consequence, of him lacking gratitude for his current predicament. And I'm fairly certain that it wasn't because he's a great wit.

[Koke]

2 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

I will judge him more when he's had a run of about 6 consecutive games where he's had time to make a few mistakes and quickly learn from. When he only comes on for the odd 10 minutes,  the tendency is for a young player to do too much trying to impress.

 

I don't know whether Bournemouth really tried to buy him or whether it was  all press talk. Likewise with Spurs for 25 million although if that was the case, Pochetino clearly thinks he's more promising than some of our own supporters do.

 

Plain simple logic to apply to any player but many seemingly are incapable of doing such thing. Okazaki can have 6 consecutive BAD games and some will still have him in their starting eleven.

 

Gray tries too hard to impress instead of doing the simple things. If he's given 6-8 games to start that might relax him a bit more. The back end of last season was probably a good time to give him a run of games. It won't happen now, Shakespeare will stick with the tried and trusted Albrighton.

[murphy]

23 hours ago, ALC Fox said:

 

England U21s play in Bournemouth on Tuesday so they're all probably there using Bournemouth's training facilities and preparing for the game 

 

That post is a little ill-advised considering Bournemouth's well-publicised interest in him, but maybe he doesn't have any PR skills or he just likes winding people up. Who knows?

So does DG have a history of posting pictures he visits with U21s?

 

No?  So he just posted the Bournemouth pic and it's just a coincidence is it?  

 

I would have gladly taken Bournemouth's £25m if they ever bid that much.  

 

Moody entitled child.

[Jimmy]

38 minutes ago, murphy said:

So does DG have a history of posting pictures he visits with U21s?

 

No?  So he just posted the Bournemouth pic and it's just a coincidence is it?  

 

I would have gladly taken Bournemouth's £25m if they ever bid that much.  

 

Moody entitled child.

he posts lots of photo's from every international trip he goes on, but please use a nothing excuse to abuse one of our own players you utter gimp

[deep blue]

The title of this thread was ill-chosen. It implies a presumption of a bad attitude in Gray which colours the debate.

 

Give the lad a break.

[Leeds Fox]

5 hours ago, deep blue said:

The title of this thread was ill-chosen. It implies a presumption of a bad attitude in Gray which colours the debate.

 

Give the lad a break.

 

I'm on the fence regarding DG's attitude, however I think people's previous perception of it will have made their mind up about the way they were going to post in this thread. 

 

Had it been 'Albrightons Attitude' or 'Andy Kings Attitude' the thread would naturally have gone in a different direction. 

 

He might not be as bad as many say, but he certainly hasn't done himself any favours in the past. 

[volpeazzurro]

4 hours ago, Koke said:

 

Plain simple logic to apply to any player but many seemingly are incapable of doing such thing. Okazaki can have 6 consecutive BAD games and some will still have him in their starting eleven.

 

Gray tries too hard to impress instead of doing the simple things. If he's given 6-8 games to start that might relax him a bit more. The back end of last season was probably a good time to give him a run of games. It won't happen now, Shakespeare will stick with the tried and trusted Albrighton.

Very true, paticularly regarding last season. I think all players play every game to keep their place. If every player plays well, then with the exception of for tactical reasons , if playing well they should retain their place in the team.

 

Last year Marhez needed replacing.  This year he's been good in 2 of his 3 starts and deserves his place. But...after the transfer deadline debacle we'll just have to see what sort of Marhez we get back. If common sense prevails, then he'll be trying his very best to engineer a January move. If his doesn't,  then Shakespeare needs man up this time and give Gray his chance who needs to grasp it with both hands. As for Albrighton, I don't see any need to not start him as along with Schmeichel, Vardy and Maguire,  he is one of the first names on the sheet for me. Shakespeare can't afford to be nostalgic with any of our players, tactics, form and effort should be the only considerations without recourse to sentiment. 

[murphy]

3 hours ago, Jimmy said:

he posts lots of photo's from every international trip he goes on, but please use a nothing excuse to abuse one of our own players you utter gimp

Ok, give him the benefit of the doubt.  But it's always Demarai isn't it?  We'll see who is right.

 

Calling him Moody and entitled is not abuse by the way, it is criticism of a now long standing concern over his attitude.  Calling someone a gimp however is, you hypocrite.

 

And what have you got against us gimps anyway?

[the fox]

We need a Q&A with gray on this forum! Demari, if you are reading this (and you probably are) come here and debunk this "attitude" thing!

[the fox]

The mods should oversee this and not let "trolls" do anything stupid.

[the fox]

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[Leeds Fox]

5 hours ago, the fox said:

The mods should oversee this and not let "trolls" do anything stupid.

 

We're entitled to an opinion on a player, just as he's entitled to his opinion on his playing time. 

[brucey]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4851692/amp/Demarai-Gray-firing-line-frustration.html

 

tbh I'd have snapped their hands off for £25m, just not on deadline day, when we could well have been left with ONE winger if Riyad got an acceptable bid and Musa decided to take up his loan to Hull.

[BrummieFOX]

Despite it being a little annoying and petulant, what he's doing isn't anything to worry about in my opinion. At least it shows he's eager to play and isn't happy just sitting on the bench. He believes he's good enough to be starting which is great.

 

I also hope and believe that Shakey is the right man to deal with him too. He certainly won't be more likely to play him if he's sulking or kicking up a fuss, he'll be told straight to perform on the training ground and perform when he gets his chance. We only know what he does on the pitch and his form is patchy at best.

 

In fairness to him, he may have been given promises abut more game time had Riyad gone?

[filbertway]

It's not that hard to get the guy involved to be honest. Absolutely no reason we can't rotate our players,I'd expect to see a lot more rotation this season with the new blood brought in to be honest.

 

Schmeichel, Maguire, Simpson and Vardy are probably the only players I'd want starting every game now. Potentially Ndidi as well if Silva doesn't get over the line.

[STUHILL]

9 minutes ago, filbertway said:

It's not that hard to get the guy involved to be honest. Absolutely no reason we can't rotate our players,I'd expect to see a lot more rotation this season with the new blood brought in to be honest.

 

Schmeichel, Maguire, Simpson and Vardy are probably the only players I'd want starting every game now. Potentially Ndidi as well if Silva doesn't get over the line.

I think with the squad we have now, then rotation will have to be used. If we want to be a top side and compete well in the cups as well as the top half of the league, then players like Slimani, Silva, Gray and Chilwell etc all need to be given a decent amount of game time.

 

Days of sticking with the same 11 for practically the whole season are probably numbered. I know there will be mixed reactions to that due to the success it gave us, but I really think we could become a real and consistent force in the Premier League with the talent we have in our squad now. Exciting times indeed, I just hope Shakey has the confidence to rotate, even if it means dropping an out of form Mahrez or Vardy etc. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Seeing him play for the U21s tonight. I'll be sure to report back any moaning, hunched shoulders, tuts, sighs and arm waving to fuel the thread further. Then if I see any smiling, grinning, laughing etc I'll presume he's loving his time in Bournemouth and wants to transfer here permanently. 

[Jimmy]

3 hours ago, STUHILL said:

I think with the squad we have now, then rotation will have to be used. If we want to be a top side and compete well in the cups as well as the top half of the league, then players like Slimani, Silva, Gray and Chilwell etc all need to be given a decent amount of game time.

 

Days of sticking with the same 11 for practically the whole season are probably numbered. I know there will be mixed reactions to that due to the success it gave us, but I really think we could become a real and consistent force in the Premier League with the talent we have in our squad now. Exciting times indeed, I just hope Shakey has the confidence to rotate, even if it means dropping an out of form Mahrez or Vardy etc. 

what has lead you to think that? Shakespeare doesn't change the team, 5 of them played in the Championship winning season and 8 from 2 seasons ago and the 3 new players were forced due to injury and players no longer being here

[STUHILL]

1 hour ago, Jimmy said:

what has lead you to think that? Shakespeare doesn't change the team, 5 of them played in the Championship winning season and 8 from 2 seasons ago and the 3 new players were forced due to injury and players no longer being here

The fact we will have players like Slimani, Gray, Silva, Iborra, Chilwell, Dragovic etc on the bench who are as good (better?) as the current starters, compared to previous seasons where our bench has not come close to matching the starting 11. 

 

Rotation will become key to prolonged success in the league and cups IMO.

 

Whether Shakey sees that too, is another question and not my point. 

[Jimmy]

8 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

The fact we will have players like Slimani, Gray, Silva, Iborra, Chilwell, Dragovic etc on the bench who are as good (better?) as the current starters, compared to previous seasons where our bench has not come close to matching the starting 11. 

 

Rotation will become key to prolonged success in the league and cups IMO.

 

Whether Shakey sees that too, is another question and not my point. 

but that's the point, Shakespeare is the manager and he hasn't shown any indication of rotating, whether we think we can do it or not in terms of personnel doesn't matter

[fuchsntf]

On Sunday, September 03, 2017 at 23:46, murphy said:

Ok, give him the benefit of the doubt.  But it's always Demarai isn't it?  We'll see who is right.

 

Calling him Moody and entitled is not abuse by the way, it is criticism of a now long standing concern over his attitude.  Calling someone a gimp however is, you hypocrite.

 

And what have you got against us gimps anyway?

I suppose...the insuation