ALL HAIL KING RUDKIN

[chicagofox]

29 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

I'd like to reiterate my desire to see some evidence to back up your claim, which appears to be nothing more then a slanderous accusation. 

Very well said, mate.

[Guest Col city fan]

Whether we secure the registration or not, it seems to me that this has all been done in a very amateurish way. And I must have made the point a few times now (without claiming to know all the ins and outs), that the club doesn't seem to be being run very well ever since we clinched the title.

I imagine that we panicked when the bigger bid for Drinkwater finally came in and piddled around over whether to finally let him go, or not. When we finally decided to, we then moved in on Silva as a replacement, with very little time to spare, thus making it all very very close.

The issue I have is this...if we wanted Silva to join the club, why did we just not target him and acquire him? It was likely that Drinkwater was going to go to Chelsea. He'd made it clear he wanted out and Chelsea had made it clear they wanted him.

However, even if Drinkwater hadn't of gone to Chelsea, and we had signed Silva...well so what? We aren't short of money and we would have then had two excellent central midfielders. James/Ndidi could have been used in a rotational basis with either of them, etc etc.

It seems like we, as a club, only decided to replace Drinkwater for Silva, once we knew that Drinkwater was going. If this was the case (and I am of course surmising), it was a risky strategy, knowing Silva would be an international transfer and the timescale would be incredibly tight. So I think we have bought this on ourselves to some extent, because we didn't just target Silva and acquire him, regardless of what happened with Danny. It feels like we played Russian Roulette a little over all of this and I only hope it gets sorted in our favour.

Just a note for the future. Don't become Harry Redknapp and wheel and deal on the eve of deadline day. Acquire your targets in advance and get your house in order with time to spare.

[reynard]

1 hour ago, BigMicky said:

What happens if his boss interjected? Susan Whelan ever get involved? Your just looking at someone to aim your fury at and it's pathetic.

In what way is it pathetic? He's a director of the club. He's the director in charge of footballing matters. Are you seriously trying to absolve him of any responsibility for this mess? He's paid to run the club on the football side of things. In business, and LCFC is a business, people at his level have to take responsibility for the management of said business and if you think this is an example of good practice and efficient management then you obviously have lower standards than I do.

It doesn't matter if we win the appeal this is still a very bad situation where a player has been badly let down by what appears to be incompetence by his potential new employers.

We should have insisted that all was cleared in good time not left it until the very last second. If that meant derailing Drinkwater's move then so be it.

[dan_fox]

17 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Whether we secure the registration or not, it seems to me that this has all been done in a very amateurish way. And I must have made the point a few times now (without claiming to know all the ins and outs), that the club doesn't seem to be being run very well ever since we clinched the title.

I imagine that we panicked when the bigger bid for Drinkwater finally came in and piddled around over whether to finally let him go, or not. When we finally decided to, we then moved in on Silva as a replacement, with very little time to spare, thus making it all very very close.

The issue I have is this...if we wanted Silva to join the club, why did we just not target him and acquire him? It was likely that Drinkwater was going to go to Chelsea. He'd made it clear he wanted out and Chelsea had made it clear they wanted him.

However, even if Drinkwater hadn't of gone to Chelsea, and we had signed Silva...well so what? We aren't short of money and we would have then had two excellent central midfielders. James/Ndidi could have been used in a rotational basis with either of them, etc etc.

It seems like we, as a club, only decided to replace Drinkwater for Silva, once we knew that Drinkwater was going. If this was the case (and I am of course surmising), it was a risky strategy, knowing Silva would be an international transfer and the timescale would be incredibly tight. So I think we have bought this on ourselves to some extent, because we didn't just target Silva and acquire him, regardless of what happened with Danny. It feels like we played Russian Roulette a little over all of this and I only hope it gets sorted in our favour.

Just a note for the future. Don't become Harry Redknapp and wheel and deal on the eve of deadline day. Acquire your targets in advance and get your house in order with time to spare.

How do you convince Silva to come here knowing he'll be sat on the bench for god knows how long? You can't...which is why the deal had to be done when Drinkwater left. It's not about money blah blah blah it's about guaranteed first team football for a man of his experience and reputation.

 

The only winners from this huge monumental **** up is Drinkwater and his agent. 

[Guest Col city fan]

40 minutes ago, dan_fox said:

How do you convince Silva to come here knowing he'll be sat on the bench for god knows how long? You can't...which is why the deal had to be done when Drinkwater left. It's not about money blah blah blah it's about guaranteed first team football for a man of his experience and reputation.

 

The only winners from this huge monumental **** up is Drinkwater and his agent. 

Why would he have had to sit on the bench? Given the scenario, Silva and Drinkwater would have been the starting CM's.

[Salieri]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

Whether we secure the registration or not, it seems to me that this has all been done in a very amateurish way. And I must have made the point a few times now (without claiming to know all the ins and outs), that the club doesn't seem to be being run very well ever since we clinched the title.

I imagine that we panicked when the bigger bid for Drinkwater finally came in and piddled around over whether to finally let him go, or not. When we finally decided to, we then moved in on Silva as a replacement, with very little time to spare, thus making it all very very close.

The issue I have is this...if we wanted Silva to join the club, why did we just not target him and acquire him? It was likely that Drinkwater was going to go to Chelsea. He'd made it clear he wanted out and Chelsea had made it clear they wanted him.

However, even if Drinkwater hadn't of gone to Chelsea, and we had signed Silva...well so what? We aren't short of money and we would have then had two excellent central midfielders. James/Ndidi could have been used in a rotational basis with either of them, etc etc.

It seems like we, as a club, only decided to replace Drinkwater for Silva, once we knew that Drinkwater was going. If this was the case (and I am of course surmising), it was a risky strategy, knowing Silva would be an international transfer and the timescale would be incredibly tight. So I think we have bought this on ourselves to some extent, because we didn't just target Silva and acquire him, regardless of what happened with Danny. It feels like we played Russian Roulette a little over all of this and I only hope it gets sorted in our favour.

Just a note for the future. Don't become Harry Redknapp and wheel and deal on the eve of deadline day. Acquire your targets in advance and get your house in order with time to spare.

Bang on.

[pazzerfox]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

Whether we secure the registration or not, it seems to me that this has all been done in a very amateurish way. And I must have made the point a few times now (without claiming to know all the ins and outs), that the club doesn't seem to be being run very well ever since we clinched the title.

I imagine that we panicked when the bigger bid for Drinkwater finally came in and piddled around over whether to finally let him go, or not. When we finally decided to, we then moved in on Silva as a replacement, with very little time to spare, thus making it all very very close.

The issue I have is this...if we wanted Silva to join the club, why did we just not target him and acquire him? It was likely that Drinkwater was going to go to Chelsea. He'd made it clear he wanted out and Chelsea had made it clear they wanted him.

However, even if Drinkwater hadn't of gone to Chelsea, and we had signed Silva...well so what? We aren't short of money and we would have then had two excellent central midfielders. James/Ndidi could have been used in a rotational basis with either of them, etc etc.

It seems like we, as a club, only decided to replace Drinkwater for Silva, once we knew that Drinkwater was going. If this was the case (and I am of course surmising), it was a risky strategy, knowing Silva would be an international transfer and the timescale would be incredibly tight. So I think we have bought this on ourselves to some extent, because we didn't just target Silva and acquire him, regardless of what happened with Danny. It feels like we played Russian Roulette a little over all of this and I only hope it gets sorted in our favour.

Just a note for the future. Don't become Harry Redknapp and wheel and deal on the eve of deadline day. Acquire your targets in advance and get your house in order with time to spare.

We also have Iborra don't forget!  Keeping Drinks, Silva, Ndidi, James, King & Iborra might have proved difficult.

[Chrysalis]

3 hours ago, 4everfox said:

I'd like to reiterate my desire to see some evidence to back up your claim, which appears to be nothing more then a slanderous accusation. 

Why do you care if I slander him, good god.

 

The previous DoF was lynched on this site, but was no worse than rudkin in getting deals over the line.

 

I have already explained why I think he is a liability, its a lot more than just one transfer, we have 4 failed high profile signings in a 15 month period and the ones that do succeed often take over a month to get completed.

 

Also noone has thought about the manager in this process, very hard to manage a team when you cannot be sure players are going to be sold at the last minute, and then told someone will be a replacement only for it to be bodged up.

Edited 6 September 2017 by Chrysalis

[FantasticMrFox&Son]

I seem to remember a couple of weeks ago a statement from Top to say that NONE of our leading players would be sold in the transfer window.

Apparently 90 minutes after it closed was OK.

FFS how many scenarios needed to be covered at 6.00pm on deadline day, only 3 as far as I can see.Feel sorry for the manager, nice one LCFC.

To be "Leicestered"....................left exposed by a lack of foresight or modicum of intelligence.

Edited 6 September 2017 by FantasticMrFox&Son
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[Leeds Fox]

Has anyone seen the film Draft Day? This seems like how we used Deadline Day, but we went in blind without foresight or planning. 

[Ian Nacho]

 

[Farrington fox]

What role did Neville play in all of this, does anyone know?

[Realist Guy In The Room]

2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Whether we secure the registration or not, it seems to me that this has all been done in a very amateurish way. And I must have made the point a few times now (without claiming to know all the ins and outs), that the club doesn't seem to be being run very well ever since we clinched the title.

I imagine that we panicked when the bigger bid for Drinkwater finally came in and piddled around over whether to finally let him go, or not. When we finally decided to, we then moved in on Silva as a replacement, with very little time to spare, thus making it all very very close.

The issue I have is this...if we wanted Silva to join the club, why did we just not target him and acquire him? It was likely that Drinkwater was going to go to Chelsea. He'd made it clear he wanted out and Chelsea had made it clear they wanted him.

However, even if Drinkwater hadn't of gone to Chelsea, and we had signed Silva...well so what? We aren't short of money and we would have then had two excellent central midfielders. James/Ndidi could have been used in a rotational basis with either of them, etc etc.

It seems like we, as a club, only decided to replace Drinkwater for Silva, once we knew that Drinkwater was going. If this was the case (and I am of course surmising), it was a risky strategy, knowing Silva would be an international transfer and the timescale would be incredibly tight. So I think we have bought this on ourselves to some extent, because we didn't just target Silva and acquire him, regardless of what happened with Danny. It feels like we played Russian Roulette a little over all of this and I only hope it gets sorted in our favour.

Just a note for the future. Don't become Harry Redknapp and wheel and deal on the eve of deadline day. Acquire your targets in advance and get your house in order with time to spare.

It was in no way clear that Drinkwater was going to Chelsea.  In fact it was anything but.  They said the max they would pay is £20m and we valued at double and both sides were adamant.  From that perspective, going into deadline day, it was more towards Drinkwater staying than leaving.  The transfer request is neither here nor there in the equation.

 

When it did start to look like we would

sell, we flew Silva over and started the process.  The account is that we submitted everything within the deadline but the delays have come elsewhere.  That's not our fault.  People are quick to be saying a deadline is a deadline when FIFA are being dicks about 14 seconds but the club get cut no slack for submitting seconds before?  Cant have it both ways.

 

We couldn't sign Silva earlier.  Drinkwater, James, Ndidi, Iborra, King, Amartey and Mendy were all here until deadline day.  Signing him and risking having 8 central midfielders when we had to name a 25 man squad would be ludicrous.

 

Chelsea left it late, we responded and it went to the wire just as many deals have before.  We never usually do it and people moan at a lack of action.  We've had to this time and apparently we're a joke.

 

We've had a very good window and if clearance is given on appeal, it'll be an excellent window.  For two years running,  only to lose 1 of our better players when vultures are circling is a credit to

the club.

[Guest Col city fan]

2 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

It was in no way clear that Drinkwater was going to Chelsea.  In fact it was anything but.  They said the max they would pay is £20m and we valued at double and both sides were adamant.  From that perspective, going into deadline day, it was more towards Drinkwater staying than leaving.  The transfer request is neither here nor there in the equation.

 

When it did start to look like we would

sell, we flew Silva over and started the process.  The account is that we submitted everything within the deadline but the delays have come elsewhere.  That's not our fault.  People are quick to be saying a deadline is a deadline when FIFA are being dicks about 14 seconds but the club get cut no slack for submitting seconds before?  Cant have it both ways.

 

We couldn't sign Silva earlier.  Drinkwater, James, Ndidi, Iborra, King, Amartey and Mendy were all here until deadline day.  Signing him and risking having 8 central midfielders when we had to name a 25 man squad would be ludicrous.

 

Chelsea left it late, we responded and it went to the wire just as many deals have before.  We never usually do it and people moan at a lack of action.  We've had to this time and apparently we're a joke.

 

We've had a very good window and if clearance is given on appeal, it'll be an excellent window.  For two years running,  only to lose 1 of our better players when vultures are circling is a credit to

the club.

As far as I can see, there isn't a single other club who have gotten themselves into the situation we have over this transfer deadline day. Not one. That must tell you something. Either we have been very unlucky or we've simply fooked it right up.

Regarding Drinky to Chelsea, I'm afraid any fool could see they were going to come back in with a bigger offer. They wanted him to up their quota of home grown players for the Champs League and as  another midfield option having sold Matic. They'd even sniffed after him last summer I believe.

And so it was. 

Finally, in terms of the CM options we had at the club already, I'd said time over that some of these are just not good enough. They should have gone out on loan. Eg. King and Amartey, unless there was no interest in them anyway.

Edited 7 September 2017 by Col city fan

[Albert]

2 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

It was in no way clear that Drinkwater was going to Chelsea.  In fact it was anything but.  They said the max they would pay is £20m and we valued at double and both sides were adamant.  From that perspective, going into deadline day, it was more towards Drinkwater staying than leaving.  The transfer request is neither here nor there in the equation.

 

When it did start to look like we would

sell, we flew Silva over and started the process.  The account is that we submitted everything within the deadline but the delays have come elsewhere.  That's not our fault.  People are quick to be saying a deadline is a deadline when FIFA are being dicks about 14 seconds but the club get cut no slack for submitting seconds before?  Cant have it both ways.

 

We couldn't sign Silva earlier.  Drinkwater, James, Ndidi, Iborra, King, Amartey and Mendy were all here until deadline day.  Signing him and risking having 8 central midfielders when we had to name a 25 man squad would be ludicrous.

 

Chelsea left it late, we responded and it went to the wire just as many deals have before.  We never usually do it and people moan at a lack of action.  We've had to this time and apparently we're a joke.

 

We've had a very good window and if clearance is given on appeal, it'll be an excellent window.  For two years running,  only to lose 1 of our better players when vultures are circling is a credit to

the club.

Spot on post mate, u clearly have common sense and look at the whole picture rather than looking at the situation with blinkers on and completely disregarding the many factors/domino effect that are involved/influence transfer dealings! I tip my hat to you!

 

.....I understand people are frustrated and annoyed with the situation but some of the comments/negativity that's been thrown around, the jumping to

conclusions etc and finger pointing of blame are quite embarrassing 

 

 

 

[Foxy-Lady]

9 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

It was in no way clear that Drinkwater was going to Chelsea.  In fact it was anything but.  They said the max they would pay is £20m and we valued at double and both sides were adamant.  From that perspective, going into deadline day, it was more towards Drinkwater staying than leaving.  The transfer request is neither here nor there in the equation.

 

When it did start to look like we would

sell, we flew Silva over and started the process.  The account is that we submitted everything within the deadline but the delays have come elsewhere.  That's not our fault.  People are quick to be saying a deadline is a deadline when FIFA are being dicks about 14 seconds but the club get cut no slack for submitting seconds before?  Cant have it both ways.

 

We couldn't sign Silva earlier.  Drinkwater, James, Ndidi, Iborra, King, Amartey and Mendy were all here until deadline day.  Signing him and risking having 8 central midfielders when we had to name a 25 man squad would be ludicrous.

 

Chelsea left it late, we responded and it went to the wire just as many deals have before.  We never usually do it and people moan at a lack of action.  We've had to this time and apparently we're a joke.

 

We've had a very good window and if clearance is given on appeal, it'll be an excellent window.  For two years running,  only to lose 1 of our better players when vultures are circling is a credit to

the club.

You make some very valid points but I am not convinced that "only losing 1 of our better players" will prove to be such a totally positive outcome for the club in the longer run as Mahrez will doubtless be a little unhappy to still be at LCFC (which may affect his form and/or the team dynamic) and Gray will be unhappy that Mahrez is still here as will  potentially restrict his development and game time.

 

Just my opinion as its difficult to see how this will pan out in the longer run but my concern is that +£30m and 1 happy player might have been a more productive outcome for us than ending up with 2 potentially unsettled players...

 

 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

3 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

You make some very valid points but I am not convinced that "only losing 1 of our better players" will prove to be such a totally positive outcome for the club in the longer run as Mahrez will doubtless be a little unhappy to still be at LCFC (which may affect his form and/or the team dynamic) and Gray will be unhappy that Mahrez is still here as will  potentially restrict his development and game time.

 

Just my opinion as its difficult to see how this will pan out in the longer run but my concern is that +£30m and 1 happy player might have been a more productive outcome for us than ending up with 2 potentially unsettled players...

 

 

Agree completely about Mahrez and Gray but again, that isn't the clubs fault.

 

The only bid for Mahrez was derisory so we couldn't accept and therefore we couldn't sell.  We could have sold Gray as Bournemouth's offer was fair but that wouldn't solve the issue that Mahrez still wants to leave.

 

It was an impossible situation for us that only had a resolution if somebody wanted Mahrez which unfortunately for him and us, nobody did.

 

What's left is a situation where we have 2 players who are both unhappy at their situations, but 1 is clearly better than the other.  Whilst Mahrez remains our player, he plays its as simple as that.  He's too good not to.  I'm pretty sure he will be sold in January as CL clubs will be looking for additional quality that can play in the tournament and he'll fit the bill.  At that point, Gray can step

in but in the meantime, when he gets the chance, he needs to step up and perform which on the evidence before us, he hasn't done so far.

[norwichfox]

15 hours ago, lifted*fox said:

There's nothing worse in darts than having a pool of sick on the oche whilst throwing your darts

[CyprusFox]

11 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Why do you care if I slander him, good god.

 

The previous DoF was lynched on this site, but was no worse than rudkin in getting deals over the line.

 

I have already explained why I think he is a liability, its a lot more than just one transfer, we have 4 failed high profile signings in a 15 month period and the ones that do succeed often take over a month to get completed.

 

Also noone has thought about the manager in this process, very hard to manage a team when you cannot be sure players are going to be sold at the last minute, and then told someone will be a replacement only for it to be bodged up.

What exactly are Rudkin's responsibilties within the club? Not a lot if, his PR team on this forum are to be believed, "he's not responsible for this Fcuk up" or "he's not to blame for that for that fcuk up". If he's not culpable for anything that goes wrong, WTF is he being paid to do? He's the Director of football FFS.

[Dames]

14 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

It was in no way clear that Drinkwater was going to Chelsea.  In fact it was anything but.  They said the max they would pay is £20m and we valued at double and both sides were adamant.  From that perspective, going into deadline day, it was more towards Drinkwater staying than leaving.  The transfer request is neither here nor there in the equation.

 

When it did start to look like we would

sell, we flew Silva over and started the process.  The account is that we submitted everything within the deadline but the delays have come elsewhere.  That's not our fault.  People are quick to be saying a deadline is a deadline when FIFA are being dicks about 14 seconds but the club get cut no slack for submitting seconds before?  Cant have it both ways.

 

We couldn't sign Silva earlier.  Drinkwater, James, Ndidi, Iborra, King, Amartey and Mendy were all here until deadline day.  Signing him and risking having 8 central midfielders when we had to name a 25 man squad would be ludicrous.

 

Chelsea left it late, we responded and it went to the wire just as many deals have before.  We never usually do it and people moan at a lack of action.  We've had to this time and apparently we're a joke.

 

We've had a very good window and if clearance is given on appeal, it'll be an excellent window.  For two years running,  only to lose 1 of our better players when vultures are circling is a credit to

the club.

You make some very valid points and its hard to disagree on most of them.

 

However its been mentioned before that Chelsea have been sniffing around DD for a while and were for all intents and purposes going to eventually come back with an offer we deem acceptable - They would have been waiting for DD and his agent to push the club internally to see if they can keep the price down, they were always going to come back as they were desperate. 

 

We would have also known Mendy would be moving on it as its been stated both he and the club thought it would be best so coming up to deadline day the club would have known we'd be potentially 2 good CM's short. So I agree they did fly in Silva but what did they do once they flew him in? Mucked him around and said we are only going to sign him if Chelsea meet our valuation which in turn made Sporting demand we cough up more cash. If we just pressed ahead with the deal the club would have saved upwards of 10m in both transfer fee and wages they now have to pay. Chelsea still would have met the valuation for DD. In my eyes it was completely amateur to play the situation like that and its backfired spectacularly, that's why we are 'a joke'.

 

Finally Amartey is not a central midfielder and how he's been deployed this season at RB shows that's how he sits in the managers thinking too.

[Chrysalis]

4 hours ago, CyprusFox said:

What exactly are Rudkin's responsibilties within the club? Not a lot if, his PR team on this forum are to be believed, "he's not responsible for this Fcuk up" or "he's not to blame for that for that fcuk up". If he's not culpable for anything that goes wrong, WTF is he being paid to do? He's the Director of football FFS.

Still doesnt change the fact that the previous DoF got lynched on here for failed transfers, rudkin is been given special treatment, but I dont know why.

[CyprusFox]

2 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Still doesnt change the fact that the previous DoF got lynched on here for failed transfers, rudkin is been given special treatment, but I dont know why.

Nor me!

[Realist Guy In The Room]

2 hours ago, Dames said:

You make some very valid points and its hard to disagree on most of them.

 

However its been mentioned before that Chelsea have been sniffing around DD for a while and were for all intents and purposes going to eventually come back with an offer we deem acceptable - They would have been waiting for DD and his agent to push the club internally to see if they can keep the price down, they were always going to come back as they were desperate. 

 

We would have also known Mendy would be moving on it as its been stated both he and the club thought it would be best so coming up to deadline day the club would have known we'd be potentially 2 good CM's short. So I agree they did fly in Silva but what did they do once they flew him in? Mucked him around and said we are only going to sign him if Chelsea meet our valuation which in turn made Sporting demand we cough up more cash. If we just pressed ahead with the deal the club would have saved upwards of 10m in both transfer fee and wages they now have to pay. Chelsea still would have met the valuation for DD. In my eyes it was completely amateur to play the situation like that and its backfired spectacularly, that's why we are 'a joke'.

 

Finally Amartey is not a central midfielder and how he's been deployed this season at RB shows that's how he sits in the managers thinking too.

That may well be true.  Chelsea were also interested in the Ox and in Barkley so whilst we knew that Chelsea were interested in DD, out of those 3 mentioned, he was back of the queue so we had no certainty at all that he wouldnt be here. 

 

As for Mendy, same thing applies.  We hadnt shipped him out before deadline day and as we now know (Musa to Hull), the player can change their mind last minute.

 

Amartey has played at RB you're right.  But seeing as he's played there before for us and at CB and at CM, it probably isn't fair for either of us to use him as an example.

 

I dont know if we could have just pressed ahead and i've no idea where you get that because the deal didn't happen immediately on touch down the price went up, what I do know is in this window, there's more than enough evidence to show that we are perfectly capable of doing good deals in good time with good negotiating.  You cant just cast aside the good work because 1 deal has hit a snag.  Especially when that snag doesn't actually appear to be our fault.

[fairbanksh]

There was a post last summer from a reliable source quoting that LCFC were shambolic in dealing with transfers.

Again unfortunately this appears to be true yet again.

The owners need to look at the infrastructure in detail and make some positive remedial decisions .

What looked like being a positive transfer window has descended into farce

I feel really sorry for Silva and Shakespeare .

Can we have some dignity in the club please?

[HighPeakFox]

'Reliable source'.

 

Yeah, whatever.