Vardy - I want to win more trophies

[Kitchandro]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

I'm confused, Mahrez's statement came after the season, so Shakey had no comments about not pandering to him. Yes he kept playing him when he wasn't playing brilliantly, but for me half a Mahrez was still better than Gray.

 

He's come back this summer and played well in preseason, so he deserved his place on merit. If he wasn't picking Mahrez and we constantly lost games, people would be going nuts on here. You can't win.

But that's an absolutely insane comment which you can't possibly back up with anything.

 

Gray did about as much as Mahrez last season with barely anytime on the pitch. No player can perform at half his level and be effective in this league. No one.

 

Mahrez is not above everyone else in the squad just because he's world class on his day. If he's performing poorly, wants to leave (the club knew he wanted to leave, even Mahrez said that in his statement, that 'he agreed to stay another year', so I'm not sure why you're confused) and we've got talented young players who need and warrant a chance, then he should be dropped just as if he was anyone else.

 

It was ridiculous management from Shakey and when Mahrez does leave we're still not prepared.

[the fox]

7 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

 

Gray did about as much as Mahrez last season with barely anytime on the pitch. No player can perform at half his level and be effective in this league. No one..

So, gray scored 4 goals and assisted 2 in the champions league, scored a game winner in the group stage and preformed great vs Sevilla? I guess not!

 

 

[Kitchandro]

4 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Many companies might have that policy but doesn't mean it can't work. Some of Liverpool's greatest managers ever were assistants first. Paisley did nearly every job at Liverpool, ended up manager and won about five league titles and three European Cups. 

 

It's a fallacy assistant managers can't make good managers.

I agree, but those assistants were really close to the previous managers and had the same philosophies. It's like if Shakey took over from Pearson, it would have been seamless.

 

The problem is the club moved on from Pearson and reaped it's rewards, appointed Shakespeare was like going back a step. The club needed to show ambition but all it said was 'we're alright here floating in midtable'.

 

It's extremely worrying that so many players, some of our best ones, are either leaving or talking about leaving. I am disappointed in Vardy. If he really does want to finish his career abroad then that's fine (even if he does really mean he wants to go to a horrible place like China just to get a load of money he doesn't need and wouldn't know what to do with) but there is a place and a time for those sort of comments and it isn't the here and now.

 

The Leicester fans need to believe that our better players feel we are going somewhere and are still a great club to be at. We're not getting those vibes at all.

[Kitchandro]

2 minutes ago, the fox said:

So, gray scored 4 goals and assisted 2 in the champions league, scored a game winner in the group stage and preformed great vs Sevilla? I guess not!

 

 

No you're right because he didn't play in those games did he? Trying to look clever, ended up just looking stupid didn't you.

 

Easier to get 4 goals and 2 assists when you play every game and take all the set-pieces (including penalties).

 

He got similar stats in the league over about 35 games and to be honest I would have had similar stats if I was taking all the free kicks and penalties. I think it was fairly obvious that Mahrez was a different animal in the Champions League to the pitiful waste of space he was for most of the league season.

[Guest]

Shouldn't this thread be called "Jamie Vardy's attitude"?

[the fox]

Just now, Kitchandro said:

No you're right because he didn't play in those games did he? Trying to look clever, ended up just looking stupid didn't you.

 

Easier to get 4 goals and 2 assists when you play every game and take all the set-pieces (including penalties).

 

He got similar stats in the league over about 35 games and to be honest I would have had similar stats if I was taking all the free kicks and penalties. I think it was fairly obvious that Mahrez was a different animal in the Champions League to the pitiful waste of space he was for most of the league season.

1-Why are you so sure that gray would have put the same numbers, do you have any proof?

 

2-it isn't easy, no one can just take set pieces and have end-product.

 

3- you are comparing gray to mahrez's worst version of himself, I guess you answered your self right there.

 

 

[Jimmy]

1 minute ago, the fox said:

1-Why are you so sure that gray would have put the same numbers, do you have any proof?

 

2-it isn't easy, no one can just take set pieces and have end-product.

 

3- you are comparing gray to mahrez's worst version of himself, I guess you answered your self right there.

 

 

of course that's the comparison we are talking about why Mahrez should have been dropped, had he played at his best there wouldn't have been a problem and even Gray himself would admit as much, problem is Mahrez has a protected status within the team, he can literally do as he please with no fear of ever being replaced and it was to the detriment of the team and if they were forced to be honest I wonder how many of his teammates would have been pissed off with him not being dropped.

[foxinsocks]

11 hours ago, Babylon said:

What's wrong with our players, such a lack of respect being shown to the club at the minute. No problem talking about wanting to win more trophies, but openly discussing moving on is crossing the line.

the problem is the "mismanagement of the drinky situation" now means that the message sent to the players is "don't bother honouring your contracts - if you want to leave then we will help you to do so".  we should have said "we expect out players to honour their contracts and work to make lcfc a better club" (get back to work); now any club will try and pick off our best players - so much for string leadership.

[the fox]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

of course that's the comparison we are talking about why Mahrez should have been dropped, 

Like I said, if mahrez at his worst is offering the same as gray, why not start mahrez to get his form back, mahrez proved that he can go missing for a full game but manages to win you the match with one moment of brilliance.

[Jimmy]

3 minutes ago, the fox said:

Like I said, if mahrez at his worst is offering the same as gray, why not start mahrez to get his form back, mahrez proved that he can go missing for a full game but manages to win you the match with one moment of brilliance.

if it had been 3 or 4 games yes but it was an entire league season after a month or 2 they should have realised what was happening and taken him out of the side

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Kitchandro said:

But that's an absolutely insane comment which you can't possibly back up with anything.

I watched them both play and more often than not Mahrez, despite not being at his best still produced more.

 

Better pass completion, more chances created, more goals, better shooting accuracy, more interceptions, more key passes in the premier league and champions league. Whether you like it or not, he was out performing him in a lot of the basics and a lot of key areas.

 

Would our season have been drastically different had Gray played all year instead, perhaps not. But Mahrez was still edging him out, and that's exactly why he kept playing. When Gray got a chance to impress he failed to grasp it too often.

[knitro]

I hope he wins the 2023 MLS Cup

[foxinsocks]

12 hours ago, Babylon said:

What's wrong with our players, such a lack of respect being shown to the club at the minute. No problem talking about wanting to win more trophies, but openly discussing moving on is crossing the line.

the problem is the "mismanagement of the drinky situation" now means that the message sent to the players is "don't bother honouring your contracts - if you want to leave then we will help you to do so".  we should have said "we expect out players to honour their contracts and work to make lcfc a better club" (get back to work); now any club will try and pick off our best players - so much for string leadership.

[foxinsocks]

I want to win more trophies.  My plan is that leicester should kee[ their good players and only hire better ones.  It does not involve players putting them selves in a shop window and nipping off mid contract unless I have decided they are surplice to requirements.

[norwichfox]

3 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

I want to win more trophies.  My plan is that leicester should kee[ their good players and only hire better ones.  It does not involve players putting them selves in a shop window and nipping off mid contract unless I have decided they are surplice to requirements.

Joining the priesthood? (surplus is the word )

[foxinsocks]

4 minutes ago, norwichfox said:

Joining the priesthood?

maybe - but I want a cotta not a suplice

[5waller5]

3 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Many companies might have that policy but doesn't mean it can't work. Some of Liverpool's greatest managers ever were assistants first. Paisley did nearly every job at Liverpool, ended up manager and won about five league titles and three European Cups. 

 

It's a fallacy assistant managers can't make good managers.

Any black and white statement is a fallacy - of course some assistants can become good managers ..... But it's just made harder at the place they were assistant - the odds are stacked against them instead of for them.

 

 

9 hours ago, Babylon said:

Kante buggered off without the assistant being manager and Mahrez released his statement before CS had even been given the job.

 

Is Klopp an established manager, because he's having trouble with Coutinho. How many established managers have saints had when their players have left for elsewhere? Or Spurs, when Rose and Walker come out with stuff like this? I'm absolutely sick and tired of people looking for reasons to bash the manager, this stuff happens everywhere and is little to do with the manager.

 

I accept we're nothing short of a stepping stone and all of our players would mostly jump at the chance to go elsewhere. What I don't agree with is doing it in public, it's a huge lack of respect for the people currently paying your wages.

Of course there are exceptions .... as above - I just think that assistant promotions are difficult.

 

 

8 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

I'm not necessarily putting the Vardy interview as a part of this but....

 

after this Silva debacle is thrown into the mix AND with DD gone which are two negatives in one, it does feel like the tide is turning - the wrong way!

 

In respect of Shakey; and I said this last season,; he showed weakness towards Mahrez which stood out like a sore thumb and I think the other players saw that. In public it was; we won't pander to him; then come game time he played regardless of his form WHEN WE WERE ALREADY SAFE.

 

Thats a bad example to set from the get go imo.

 

Of course this is just my sense of what is happening, and if it turns out to be bollox I won't be afraid to say I was wrong.

 

As a life long fan I do hope Shakey can be successful. 

 

Me too ..... I want Shakey or any other manager of LCFC to be successful!

[coolhandfox]

13 hours ago, Babylon said:

Believe it or not there are ways to answer it without extremes like your example.

Maybe, but do you want players just to use standard sound bites! 

 

Or would you prefer another DD refusing to play? 

 

Kante, Drinkwater gone, Mahrez looking to leave, maybe the club management should have a look at its self. The club hasn't met the ambition of its players. Poor recruitment during 3 very poor transfer window, follow by a better one this summer spoiled by another cock up! 

 

We could have brought in Keane, Siggy after the Championship winning season, but went for unproven PL wise talent. Do you think the players thought that the club was having a real go at pushing on again, when Musa, Hernandez, Ziegler et al rocked up.

 

 

 

 

[Babylon]

20 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Maybe, but do you want players just to use standard sound bites! 

 

Or would you prefer another DD refusing to play? 

 

Kante, Drinkwater gone, Mahrez looking to leave, maybe the club management should have a look at its self. The club hasn't met the ambition of its players. Poor recruitment during 3 very poor transfer window, follow by a better one this summer spoiled by another cock up! 

 

We could have brought in Keane, Siggy after the Championship winning season, but went for unproven PL wise talent. Do you think the players thought that the club was having a real go at pushing on again, when Musa, Hernandez, Ziegler et al rocked up.

 

 

 

 

I want people to keep it behind closed doors.

 

People were wanking themselves silly on here last summer at our transfers, yet absolutely slated Keane when linked... funny how hindsight makes what we should have done as clear as day.

[coolhandfox]

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I want people to keep it behind closed doors.

 

People were wanking themselves silly on here last summer at our transfers, yet absolutely slated Keane when linked... funny how hindsight makes what we should have done as clear as day.

 

The world has changed I'm afraid, look at Costa, Walker etc! I

 

Sorry I was'nt one of them, I was disappointed, we looked to strengthen the squad not the 11. None were ever going to threaten the starting eleven in my view other than Mendy, it wasn't hindsight it was a clear as day to me.

 

The club gamble on cheap foreign import, maybe due to the success of Kante and Mahrez!  

 

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Great. If he wants to win more trophies, then score lots of goals for Leicester.

 

It's that simple.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

In this day and age if Vards wanted to leave this Summer he would have done.

 

If he made a statement like Mahrez's I don't think there would have been a shortage of suitors.

 

It seems to me he was answering questions asked honestly, pre Silva cock up.

 

That fiasco has made made many, myself included, a little insecure about the state of the club and we question its capabilities in terms of the infrastructure, and as a result the future. 

 

I think there is more of a reaction to his comments because of that, than there otherwise would have been.

[Redouane]

[Countryfox]

I see that in the Telegraph today they mention that Vardy may be targeted by Chelski in the January window ...   whether thats true or not I hope it doesn't unsettle him while we are going through a bad patch ...    why don't they just fook off !!

 

Incidentally they showed a pic of Andy King by mistake ...   

[Ric Flair]

7 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

I see that in the Telegraph today they mention that Vardy may be targeted by Chelski in the January window ...   whether thats true or not I hope it doesn't unsettle him while we are going through a bad patch ...    why don't they just fook off !!

 

Incidentally they showed a pic of Andy King by mistake ...   

I think this will be Vardy's last season with us sadly.