Why did Nige get lots of time, when Shakey gets very little?

[NotTheMarketLeader]

14 hours ago, lgfualol said:

Both are poor at top level. But for me, I am running out of time for Shakespeare because he has no managerial experience and has a better squad at his disposal. Pearson had Matty Upson and Dean Hammond. 

 

 

True, but he was stupid enough to buy them which is a big negative.

[foxfanazer]

3/10 rating for this thread Col

[Guest Col city fan]

38 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

3/10 rating for this thread Col

I think we both know it's an excellent and thought provoking thread mi old son...

Would you rather I start another 'Wes is shite' type thread?

 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

17 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I think we both know it's an excellent and thought provoking thread mi old son...

Would you rather I start another 'Wes is shite' type thread?

 

I think it is worth discussing Col as it’s a valid point you are making.

 

you could also toss in a why did fans turn so quickly on Ranieri last season after winning the title when quite frankly I’m sure a lot on here would still be licking Pearson’s balls had he been in the same position? 

[CosbehFox]

14 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

One word. Expectations. 

Bingo - however short-termism is beating the longer game at the moment. We could have Ancelotti in charge and Silva fit - we'd have struggled against the top sides regardless. 

[Japanfox]

Personally I want to give shakey more time before I judge the man but I can see the riff between the fans. 

 

I hope we can go back to the spirit of ‘foxes never quit’?

[Fox92]

2 hours ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

I think it is worth discussing Col as it’s a valid point you are making.

 

you could also toss in a why did fans turn so quickly on Ranieri last season after winning the title when quite frankly I’m sure a lot on here would still be licking Pearson’s balls had he been in the same position? 

Performances were shit. I'm not talking about results but performances.

 

I lost it with him having travelled all the way up to Sunderland on a cold day in December playing a shit team who were bottom but we were far worse. That performance (and result) sent me over the edge with him.

[Dan]

3 hours ago, Koke said:

 

First away game I went to in 2014 was away to Chelsea where we played Liam Moore, Schlupp, Hammond, Chris Wood De Laet and an overweight Gary Taylor-Fletcher. 

 

If Pearson struggled with that team, Shakespeare would have taken them down Derby County style.

And we actually made them work for that win too. Nugent missed a very decent chance at 0-0 in the second half.

 

That side now would probably lose by at least 4.

 

We've completely lost the ability to produce something more than the sum of our parts. Our ultimate strength and it's gone.

[lgfualol]

3 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Performances were shit. I'm not talking about results but performances.

 

I lost it with him having travelled all the way up to Sunderland on a cold day in December playing a shit team who were bottom but we were far worse. That performance (and result) sent me over the edge with him.

Christ that game was awful. Sunderland battered us in the first half if I remember correctly. Just have visions of Van Aanholt pretty much playing as a striker because we were so shit. Can't wait for Palace to have a revival when we play them. 

[Guest BlueBrett]

I'd be a lot less apprehensive about telling Shakey his time is up than I would big Nige..

[Dan]

2 hours ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

I think it is worth discussing Col as it’s a valid point you are making.

 

you could also toss in a why did fans turn so quickly on Ranieri last season after winning the title when quite frankly I’m sure a lot on here would still be licking Pearson’s balls had he been in the same position? 

Strangely, to an extent, the same reason. What happened in the first year under Ranieri was remarkable, but it went that wrong that you started to question almost how important he truly was. How can you possibly go from being that good to that bad, that quickly? Ranieri didn't really build that side, he did something incredible with it but he'd demonstrated no ability to actually build whereas Pearson did.

 

For what it's worth I think most managers would struggle here now. A new manager would have to come in and really shake things up because I think we're slowly but surely heading back to the Championship, and we're spending an absurd amount to do so.

[Dan]

2 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Bingo - however short-termism is beating the longer game at the moment. We could have Ancelotti in charge and Silva fit - we'd have struggled against the top sides regardless. 

That is also true, but for all I think more long-term, you have got to demonstrate at least something in the short-term too. I'm struggling to put into words how bad that performance at Bournemouth was. That we didn't lose is almost funny.

[CosbehFox]

12 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

That is also true, but for all I think more long-term, you have got to demonstrate at least something in the short-term too. I'm struggling to put into words how bad that performance at Bournemouth was. That we didn't lose is almost funny.

Hence he's got this month - even those of us defending Shakespeare will have no argument then. 

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

I think it is worth discussing Col as it’s a valid point you are making.

 

you could also toss in a why did fans turn so quickly on Ranieri last season after winning the title when quite frankly I’m sure a lot on here would still be licking Pearson’s balls had he been in the same position? 

That's not a hard answer.

 

4-1 at Liverpool

4-1 at Manchester United

3-0 at Chelsea. 

2-2 and 0-0 against Middlesbrough 

0-0 against Copenhagen away where I still couldn't tell what formation we were playing. 

 

The first three games we'd lost the game by thirty minutes in all of them. 

 

It's forgotten before Ranieri was sacked.  We had lost 5 league games in a row without scoring a goal which included losses to Burnley, Swansea and an out of form Southampton. We need a last minute equaliser against Derby in the Cup and lost to Millwall with a chance of a Cup quarter-final. 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

51 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Performances were shit. I'm not talking about results but performances.

 

I lost it with him having travelled all the way up to Sunderland on a cold day in December playing a shit team who were bottom but we were far worse. That performance (and result) sent me over the edge with him.

I understand and thanks for replying 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

42 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Strangely, to an extent, the same reason. What happened in the first year under Ranieri was remarkable, but it went that wrong that you started to question almost how important he truly was. How can you possibly go from being that good to that bad, that quickly? Ranieri didn't really build that side, he did something incredible with it but he'd demonstrated no ability to actually build whereas Pearson did.

 

For what it's worth I think most managers would struggle here now. A new manager would have to come in and really shake things up because I think we're slowly but surely heading back to the Championship, and we're spending an absurd amount to do so.

Yep understandable in some ways

 

question is how and what to do about it? I think we should get back to the nitty gritty of it all. Young hungry players, a young hungry manager and get back to having a go at teams. Fvck the price buy players on spirit backbone and ability 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

25 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

That's not a hard answer.

 

4-1 at Liverpool

4-1 at Manchester United

3-0 at Chelsea. 

2-2 and 0-0 against Middlesbrough 

0-0 against Copenhagen away where I still couldn't tell what formation we were playing. 

 

The first three games we'd lost the game by thirty minutes in all of them. 

 

It's forgotten before Ranieri was sacked.  We had lost 5 league games in a row without scoring a goal which included losses to Burnley, Swansea and an out of form Southampton. We need a last minute equaliser against Derby in the Cup and lost to Millwall with a chance of a Cup quarter-final. 

Again no problem with why you have stated one little bit.  Even as a massive Ranieri fan I admit things turned to Dog shit the second season for whatever reason 

 

still think in in the same circumstances some on here would still be defending Pearson though

[Dan]

4 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Hence he's got this month - even those of us defending Shakespeare will have no argument then. 

I'd go with that. I don't entirely blame him for how we've started but he has got to demonstrate some serious improvement because the last month was frankly embarrassing.

[m4DD0gg]

I dont like Pearson but the difference is he is/was a manager and did well until it came to the Premiership and dealing with the press, public and what appeared to be life in general.

 

Shakespeare is a coach and not a premier league manager, owners must have been smoking crack when they made him full time manager.

[The whole world smiles]

I don't remember Pearson getting it easy from the forum. 

 

Basically there are 10 or so highly negative posters who lack the stiff up lip and Dunkirk spirit that made this country great.

 

These guys post (whinge) a lot and expect us to be real Madrid and are on the managers and players backs within two defeats regardless of who the manager is or players are and what they have achieved.

 

 

[foxinsocks]

I for one was very down on pears on when he was being tactically outwitted.  He got time because we were progressing.  he build a good club off the field and we improved int eh championship to a point where we wont it by a mile.  When he had a difficult season in the pl he was toast - this was obvious during the great escape season... and the distraction of his antics.  So the truth is... not one gets time once things are going bad.

[Daggers]

He managed to keep Spurs to single digits - that was skillz.

 

[desertfox2]

Always felt we were progressing under Pearson. His signings were excellent and the club was run 1st class top to bottom. Can you imagine being the person at fault for the DD/Silva mess up if Pearson was around? It just seems like we are getting worse and not just the results.

[Foxxed]

Aside from Pearson's track record we now have higher expectations.

 

If we'd not won the league a few seasons ago, if we'd not got the quarters of the champions league, if we'd not filled our rank with internationals, if we'd not got a couple of balloon d'or players and if we'd not spent a tremendous amount on new players then most would be happy to float above the relegation zone.

[Foxxed]

3 hours ago, The whole world smiles said:

I don't remember Pearson getting it easy from the forum. 

 

Basically there are 10 or so highly negative posters who lack the stiff up lip and Dunkirk spirit that made this country great.

 

These guys post (whinge) a lot and expect us to be real Madrid and are on the managers and players backs within two defeats regardless of who the manager is or players are and what they have achieved.

 

 

 

I like how you've turned "I disagree with your assessment of our current direction" into "you bloody quislings would have jumped into bed with Hitler instead of fighting! I can just tell! *shakes fist*"