sishades Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 Quote Shakespeare needs 7 points from the next 12 That would gice us 12 points from 19 matches....hal;f a season. This would mean certain relegation. Are you sure?
Koke Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 If Shakespeare had the 14/15 squad, inexperienced and inferior, he would taken them down and possibly broken the Derby County points tally. Shakespeare is a poor mans Pearson, and Pearson struggled massively in the Premier League.
foxinsocks Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 2 minutes ago, Koke said: If Shakespeare had the 14/15 squad, inexperienced and inferior, he would taken them down and possibly broken the Derby County points tally. Shakespeare is a poor mans Pearson, and Pearson struggled massively in the Premier League. spot on
EnglishOxide Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 4 hours ago, norwichfox said: That will give us 12 points at the halfway stage......why would he keep his job with that sort of performance, Pearson managed 13 points at the halfway stage in 2014/15 and lost his job. Oops. I meant 7 points from the next 12 available points
norwichfox Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 38 minutes ago, EnglishOxide said: Oops. I meant 7 points from the next 12 available points That works better
Merging Cultures Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 Shakespeare needs 7 points from the next 12 games, good lineups and good performances to keep his job IMO. I bet he hasn't thought of this.
Merging Cultures Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 That will give us 12 points at the halfway stage......why would he keep his job with that sort of performance, Pearson managed 13 points at the halfway stage in 2014/15 and lost his job.NP didn't lose his job because of on the pitch performances.
norwichfox Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 1 minute ago, Merging Cultures said: 5 hours ago, norwichfox said: That will give us 12 points at the halfway stage......why would he keep his job with that sort of performance, Pearson managed 13 points at the halfway stage in 2014/15 and lost his job. NP didn't lose his job because of on the pitch performances. And you know this because?......
Merging Cultures Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 And you know this because?......Because everything was fine until the Thailand 'issue'?
MPH Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 On 10/11/2017 at 14:10, Kitchandro said: I whole heartedly agree (in other words there is no good answer to your question). Pearson got a lot of love (and rightfully so tbf) for everything he did for us until October 2014. After that he lost the plot and regressed to the same football we're seeing now from Shakespeare. Reactive, dull, losing football. Anyone who thinks we played better in those 6 months we were bottom than we are now is deluded. Fortunately, Pearson seemed to take advice from other influences in the nick of time to prevent relegation. But the fact it took him until it did for him to listen to that advice, or for the penny to drop if you prefer, showed he wasn't up to it at this level. As I keep saying, there are too many youngsters who only saw crap before Pearson and therefore are unable to be objective when judging him as a manager. The evidence suggests he is a great Championship manager who was tactically inferior in the Premier League, largely because he didn't have the balls to try and score goals. I'm sorry but i think you have a very short memory. We played very well at times however our naviety in defense cost us dearly. As did a few strange refeering decisions but everyone gets them so hey ho on that one. I remember Arsene Wenger saying after they had just beaten us that we pushed them all the way, played well, and that we were on the verge of something special with this team.
Foxaholic ME Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 23:39, DB11 said: Even when we lost under Pearson we looked in the game and good. We look boring and uninterested now I must have misread the results when were we hammered I would suggest that our 2 worst games we got a result Chelsea and Liverpool could easily have been productive Arsenal robbed as usual Man u one offside the other should have been saved. Good wins in league cup suggest squad not too bad. If the next 3 games are bad the doom mongers may be proved right but I dont think any of the home games to date have been bad and I think most fair minded fans would agree
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 2 hours ago, MPH said: I'm sorry but i think you have a very short memory. We played very well at times however our naviety in defense cost us dearly. As did a few strange refeering decisions but everyone gets them so hey ho on that one. I remember Arsene Wenger saying after they had just beaten us that we pushed them all the way, played well, and that we were on the verge of something special with this team. So Wenger said something three years ago that we played well in a game; but that was not representative of what came before. Ive been through those fixtures after the Man Utd game up to the Arsenal game (Feb) and we were desperately poor in all the league games including the win at Hull. 5 whole months of shit football - unquestionably, so I would say it’s you that are mistaken in your memory of that season’s performances with NP at the helm. 5 months of trying to ‘keep it tight’, Vardy sub or on the wing after ripping the Championship to shreds; all after the Man Utd game where Vardy tore them to shreds. For the good NP did, we should not try to rewrite history; tactically he wasn’t great. Awful it was, but did improve from February/March; without many wins of course until April. Miracle wasn’t it! All that said we know NP was good at delegating; Shakes was the tactician that season (until Cambiasso took over pre West Ham at home) which makes sense why we have the issue with tactical naivety this season. ?
hackneyfox Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 1 hour ago, Merging Cultures said: 7 hours ago, norwichfox said: That will give us 12 points at the halfway stage......why would he keep his job with that sort of performance, Pearson managed 13 points at the halfway stage in 2014/15 and lost his job. NP didn't lose his job because of on the pitch performances. He did when he was sacked and reinstated within hours.
Merging Cultures Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 He did when he was sacked and reinstated within hours.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 On 15/10/2017 at 18:54, Col city fan said: we....went....on....the.....longest....run....without....a.....win....in.....the......club's......history........ Does that single stat not interest you at all? Surely you're pro Pearson trolling? Off the cuff..Swansea away, Villa in the FA cup..just two games I can think of where we were utter, utter turd. Newcastle away, Stoke at home, Southampton away, Hull home etc etc
Tuna Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 He's somewhere between John Carver and Tim Sherwood. Initial bounce, but then found out and exposed as out of his depth.
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 Because when we lost under Nigel, we were never really "outplayed" whereas we have been outplayed almost every match this season.
southfox66 Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 You seem to forget we won the title and the additional revenue that bought us, to be the bottom 3 is an absolute disgrace, we made bad signing, we have a team of washout title winners and manager who isnt capable of more than a relagation battle, we need major changes at the club and sadly for Shakespeare that's starts with him being replaced now.
Wymsey Posted 16 October 2017 Posted 16 October 2017 Progress under Shakespeare is at a snail's pace unfortunately. Feel he's making the wrong personnel decisions during certain periods, in particular. (For example, not bringing Gray or Okazaki against a rather leggy WBA defence.) Mind you, there's still potential to be much better.
deanolegend1989 Posted 17 October 2017 Posted 17 October 2017 I think people's memories are so short. In 14/15, we showed loads of signs of quality. I remember watching us lose 2-0 to Man City and said this: 'it will be a travesty if we go down because we are actually a really good team, and if we stay up next season we will be nowhere near relegation' Obviously I didn't see what would happen next, but as early as when we beat West Ham away 2nd game(and I only saw the highlights) I straight away said 'I new I was right'. my point being that with me and a lot of fans I'd suggest, you could see the team had real quality, but playing Wasel, upson konchesky often gave an aging backline, vardy on wing, mahrez drinky and albrighton often on bench..kramoric often icelated up top alone..the players, system were wrong but the potential was clearly there in the ranks. this is a different situation completely other than Vardy(who imo is the best player bar Kante that Leicesters ever had) and maguire who looks a great signing , we really do look average right through the spine. saying that we should still be easily 8-10th. defensively Morgan Simpson huth Fuchs chillwell etc I do think we have enough there and will be fine. hopefully inacho shows more than he did last night and Okazaki and slim have both started decent this season. the main problem is in the midfield ndidi is class at breaking play but we need someone who has a bit of creativity..too many times we try and pass around, no movement no one to run with ball. I remember kante bursting with the ball when we won 3-0 at Swansea in 15/16..we havnt got anyone like that now so we CANT play 442!! we need to adjust formation to be successfull. Schmicheal simpson Morgan Maguire Fuchs Ndidi Iborra Gray Mahrez Albrighton Vardy be brave and try that in next game, swap mahrez and gray at different parts of the game to confuse opponents. Okazaki and nacho and slim give options(straight swaps or bringing 2 up top depending on game situations) can go 433 to shut up shop with ok centre midfields to protect games. despite what I initially said about 14/15 having clear potential compared to this team, I actually think MAYBE this team does , but I'm unsure by performances if it's shakeys fault or if the squad is on a decline. time will tell but 442 with this squad is very likely the main reason..performances suggest to me that it will continue to be a struggle playing this way, it's not 'unlucky' so far this season..despite maybe a few situations(vardy missing pen vs Liverpool, not getting anything at Arsenal, Mahrez sitter last night, Vardy sitter at Huddersfield, Okazaki sitter at Bournemouth, slimani sitter vs Chelsea).
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 17 October 2017 Posted 17 October 2017 On 15/10/2017 at 17:48, Oxfordfox83 said: We did always look ok-in fact for a lot of the Great Escape season we were playing delightful football. No one but the anti-NP trolls will argue otherwise. It wasn't effective, but it was often pretty. And when we finished the way we did, it didn't feel like we suddenly played hugely better or differently, just got the results our performances had deserved. Your first sentence is absolutely wrong. Look at the PL fixtures between Man Utd home to February that season. Thats 5 months. Almost without exception we were desperately poor.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 17 October 2017 Posted 17 October 2017 10 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said: Because when we lost under Nigel, we were never really "outplayed" whereas we have been outplayed almost every match this season. Nonsense. For 5 months we were outplayed virtually every PL game albeit we were not pounded.
cityfanlee23 Posted 17 October 2017 Posted 17 October 2017 6 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Nonsense. For 5 months we were outplayed virtually every PL game albeit we were not pounded. Complete bollocks.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 17 October 2017 Posted 17 October 2017 23 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: Complete bollocks. Look at the fixtures and try a remember. Anyway Shakey gone now, so we have something else to concern ourselves with!
Rusko187 Posted 17 October 2017 Posted 17 October 2017 Because Nigel was actually selected by the owners as a manager whilst Shakey got it as a reward for the good work he did keeping us up.
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