Arsene Wenger, what happens now

[Parafox]

He has yet again put out a team that he thought, in his arrogance, would take out a forest team that are doing well. They didn't have the players that could really challenge them. I'm not sure what he thinks about his own ability and that of his substandard team, but it seems he thinks he and his players are better than they are. 

 

I think his time is up. They're out of the FA cup, they've only got Europa and the Carabau shit left to them. OK, under Wenger, they've won more FA cups than any other teams, but now, I think he has run his course. No new ideas, poor team selection, they're going backwards now. I used to enjoy watching AFC but now it's dull and repetitive. It's worse than those old "Arsenal 1" days.

Edited 7 January 2018 by Parafox

[katieakita]

Meltdown Blud

 

After some of their recent antics i won't shed a tear but a sorry place to be for them. They still think they have the financial clout of the Manchester clubs and Chelsea when in reality they have punched above their weight for some time

[shen]

9 minutes ago, Parafox said:

He has yet again put out a team that he thought, in his arrogance, would take out a forest team that are doing well. They didn't have the players that could really challenge them. I'm not sure what he thinks about his own ability and that of his substandard team, but it seems he thinks he and his players are better than they are. 

 

I think his time is up. They're out of the FA cup, they've only got Europa and the Carabau shit left to them. OK, under Wenger, they've won more FA cups than any other teams, but now, I think he has run his course. No new ideas, poor team selection, they're going backwards now. I used to enjoy watching AFC but now it's dull and repetitive. It's worse than those old "Arsenal 1" days.

Yawn... It's as if every man and his dog takes offense at Wenger still being manager at Arsenal, quite ironic to call them dull and repetitive. Added to that the extra irony of criticising the manager and the team that has won this competition in two of the last three years.

 

I can understand the argument that Arsenal could benefit from a different approach, but I'm surprised at the amount of people holding such strong opinions about a team they don't even support and I don't think it's justified.

 

Edit: Also, Forest doing well? They've been in pretty poor form of late.

Edited 7 January 2018 by shen

[Parafox]

8 minutes ago, shen said:

Yawn... It's as if every man and his dog takes offense at Wenger still being manager at Arsenal, quite ironic to call them dull and repetitive. Added to that the extra irony of criticising the manager and the team that has won this competition in two of the last three years.

 

I can understand the argument that Arsenal could benefit from a different approach, but I'm surprised at the amount of people holding such strong opinions about a team they don't even support and I don't think it's justified.

 

Edit: Also, Forest doing well? They've been in pretty poor form of late.

You're a Gooner then? They're shit and you know it. Open your red and white eyes.

Wenger can't put together a winning team with the "world class" players he has. Regardless of the game he's playing he hasn't put out a convincing winning team. 6th is about where they'll finish and that's what you should expect.

Arsenal are a team I've admired for years, but it's gone, they've gone, they aren't the team or the club they used to be. You could become the next Everton.

Edited 7 January 2018 by Parafox

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Arsenal Fan TV tonight... blud fam blud blud fam Wenger Out blud fam fam blud fam.....

[Wymsey]

Has to really win the Europa League in order to get Champions League football again.

Results like these, and various criticism about him quote regularly for a while now, senses that the era under him is coming to an end.

Actually, despite his over-criticism of others and failing to blame himself when things don't go his side's way, prefer him as a manager/individual than Mourinho etc

Edited 7 January 2018 by Wymeswold fox

[Parafox]

2 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Has to really win the Europa League in order to get Champions League football again.

Results like these, and various criticism about him quote regularly for a while now, senses that the era under him is coming to an end.

Actually, despite his over-criticism of others and failing to blame himself when things don't go his side's way, prefer him as a manager/individual than Mourinho etc

That's stretching it a bit 

 

I don't think there's any manager anywhere who is more arrogant or more disillusioned than Maurhinio

Edited 7 January 2018 by Parafox

[shen]

Just now, Parafox said:

You're a Gooner then? They're shit and you know it. Open your red and white eyes.

No, I'm not. Are you?

I'm bored of the "Wenger Out"-bandwagon. Basically any defeat or poor performance by them results in plenty of criticism. You get very little praise when their team actually plays well (like against Chelsea).

It seems to me that most just don't like Wenger personally and because the pundits and fans are bored of him, it's as if it's legitimate to call for his head at every opportunity. Have a whinge, bleat out about Wenger kind of thing.

Nothing personal Parafox, it was just the last straw for me.

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

He’s a willy puller and has turned into a poor manager. Quite funny to think that come the summer their best player will be Aaron Ramsey.

[Corky]

Arsenal fans are just finding out what most fans have to put up with. Crap football, crap results, underachievement, boredom are all part of the package. Maybe if they treated their success as a privilege and not a right then the hysteria might not be so loud.

 

 

[ealingfox]

Nothing will happen, he'll trot out some old bollocks, their fans will froth, everyone laughs at Arsenal, then their next game comes around and we all start to forget about it.

 

The bloke can't be touched, that much is clear. He will choose when he goes and until that day could change his mind at any point and the club would go with it. If they didn't make any moves to get him to move on last summer they never will. Not only did he get a new deal but he got a big pay rise as well . Wenger is truly the last of his kind, a football manager who also actually has a hand in managing the club as well as the team and I do have some respect for that. He had a hand in appointing half the board, most of the suits at the club are his men in some way. The other half answer to Kroenke and are happy just to watch the profits roll in every year - you don't need to be successful on the pitch to make big cash these days. The football is very much secondary.

 

Sad for the fans but they're just going to have to stick it out. Short of assassinating him there's nothing they can do except hope he can't be arsed any more when the end of next season rolls around.

 

 

[Guest Kopfkino]

I like Wenger and don't mind Arsenal to be honest, but he should have gone a couple of years back, it's just ruining the good job he did for 10 or so years now. Sad. Still enjoy watching them though, they've involved in some great games this year and whilst in this country football has moved forward and gone past Wenger's style, they still play some unbelievable stuff on their day. 

[KingsX]

Finished not only below Spurs but out of the CL spots, and now exited the FA Cup in the 3rd round for the first time in his tenure.

 

Yes, he set those standards himself.  But most on here agree that these are not blips.  They reflect significant backwards movement in the last couple of years.

 

Leaving out the comedy bluds and fams -- is Arse supporters’ position so different from when we were denounced for “entitlement” when Claudio was fired?  They look headed in a direction which leads to years out of Europe.  Which to them is probably like the threat of relegation to us: crossing a line, far below what the club should achieve.

[Countryfox]

What happens now ??  ....     goes home, has a beer, runs a bath, gets in and thinks about team selection for the next match, goes to bed, thinks about sh@gging the missus ..   goes to sleep instead, gets up early, avoids the papers, and trots off to work ...    same o same o ...

[Guest]

was wondering who the other chap with binoculars was. glad I'm not the only one stalking wenger these days.

[urban.spaceman]

New contract please.

[Great Boos Up]

Looking forward to the next batch of random "WENGER OUT" signs.

I'm guessing the Golden Globe protests, North Korea's new ski resort or the Papua New Guinea speedway final.

[Stadt]

I’d be fuming if I was an Arsenal fan. There’s absolutely zero ambition at the club as they’re ran exactly like a multinational as the chief concern is appeasing the shareholders. I’m under no illusions other clubs do the same but the total lack of European or league success would have Mourinho, Conte or even Ferguson sacked.

[Guest]

I quite like Wenger as a manager though he does whinge too much when he doesn't win. He's often on French TV  as an analyst for international games and he talks a lot of sense and makes interesting points. His aresenal team are very entertaining to watch and there are normally a lot of goals and decent action in their games. he certainly doesn't play for a 0-0 draw.

 

Having said all that he probably should have retired from the Prem last season and maybe his time is up but not because of boring football or a losing team (when did they last finish outside the top 6?), simply because he's old and should give the French team a shot after the world cup this year.

 

I really don't think we should be criticising a team or manager that has finished above us in all but one of the seasons the manager has been there ( and that season he finished 1 place below us).

[Countryfox]

13 minutes ago, FIF said:

 

I really don't think we should be criticising a team or manager that has finished above us in all but one of the seasons the manager has been there ( and that season he finished 1 place below us).

 

D’you know i really had to think hard about what season we finished above the Arse ...    I’m not sure it has really sunk in even now ...    we finished above the fookin lot of em !!!    Still sends a shiver down my spine ...   

[ealingfox]

16 minutes ago, FIF said:

I quite like Wenger as a manager though he does whinge too much when he doesn't win. He's often on French TV  as an analyst for international games and he talks a lot of sense and makes interesting points. His aresenal team are very entertaining to watch and there are normally a lot of goals and decent action in their games. he certainly doesn't play for a 0-0 draw.

 

Having said all that he probably should have retired from the Prem last season and maybe his time is up but not because of boring football or a losing team (when did they last finish outside the top 6?), simply because he's old and should give the French team a shot after the world cup this year.

 

I really don't think we should be criticising a team or manager that has finished above us in all but one of the seasons the manager has been there ( and that season he finished 1 place below us).

 

Are you for real? He's the Arsenal manager. How many seasons have we finished above them in all of history? It's hardly a feather in his cap.

 

Why can we not criticise him or his club?

[davieG]

He's somewhat hindered by the fact the club is run within it's means and chose to build a new expensive stadium rather than invest in the team. He can't attract the best and the best he develops move on for bigger wages. 

He's  suffering from, albeit on higher lever what the rest of the league suffer from. 

[Kitchandro]

He's been failing there for a few seasons now, why would they get rid of him because of this? If he didn't get the sack after not winning the league even when every other big club finished below them, or after not getting into the Champions League then I think you need to accept Wenger will leave when he wants to leave.

 

Listen, most people know that Arsenal fans are idiots, and not proper football fans in the main. But be fair to them, they are a massive club, only smaller than Man Utd and Liverpool in this country. They're also one of the few clubs who continuously make a profit. They should expect to win a title now and again, and year after year they are absolutely miles away from mounting a serious challenge.

 

2 hours ago, shen said:

No, I'm not. Are you?

I'm bored of the "Wenger Out"-bandwagon. Basically any defeat or poor performance by them results in plenty of criticism. You get very little praise when their team actually plays well (like against Chelsea).

It seems to me that most just don't like Wenger personally and because the pundits and fans are bored of him, it's as if it's legitimate to call for his head at every opportunity. Have a whinge, bleat out about Wenger kind of thing.

Nothing personal Parafox, it was just the last straw for me.

 

I don't actually mind Wenger, he acts like a spoilt child a lot but there are far more hateful managers around. But any neutral should see he should have been sacked. Arsenal have been going backwards for some time and they clearly need a new direction. His teams play with no passion and do not have the ruthless streak that champions do.

 

They've been suffering from the same problems for years that Wenger does not address. Their style of play is outdated and predictable, they are weak at the back, lack any sort of leader on the pitch and play some of their best players out of position or bizarrely leave them out altogether.

 

Wookie is right, they are a club with no ambition and every season you can tell how things are going to go. They're just a tourist attraction these days - the fancy, rich man's club that is fashionable to support if you've got no real ties to a club. They're not a real club, a club that thrives on success. A club of their size should expect more.

[Kitchandro]

4 minutes ago, davieG said:

He's somewhat hindered by the fact the club is run within it's means and chose to build a new expensive stadium rather than invest in the team. He can't attract the best and the best he develops move on for bigger wages. 

He's  suffering from, albeit on higher lever what the rest of the league suffer from. 

But that can't be used as an excuse anymore since we won the league. Not only did we not spend much, we had a couple of duffers in the team and absolutely no depth in the squad. But our manager was astute enough to make the most out of the players we did have. Individually we weren't better than everyone but tactically and mentally we were.

 

Arsenal are able to spend enough, certainly more than most clubs, but he's not a good enough manager to make the most of it. That's what good managers do, build a team. He's managed to attract some brilliant players, but he's not able to form a great team.

 

He's hardly operating on a shoestring.

 

 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

I think he's come to the end of the line and it's a shame he's become a bit of a joke / parody figure amongst large swathes of their support, you could even throw non-Arsenal fans into the mix there as well. Very few people could've overseen the building of a new stadium whilst remaining competitive on the pitch within a budget like he did. I'm also aware that football existed before 1992, but some of his teams have genuinely lit up the division since the Premier League's inception. It's a shame Arsenal (and their fans) have seen the likes of Man City and Chelsea overtake them, spending ridiculous cash, and now want / expect their club and manager to do the same – they're such an angry fanbase.

 

Sometimes he's been classless, 80% of managers are, but for me it's a bloody shame England have never thrown everything they could at him because I always get the feeling he'd have sorted out our national side, at least off the field.