VAR Issues

[SCP4Ever]

5 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

According to head of referees Mike Riley 

 

The referee only needs to make the square signal when a VAR review overturns the decision on the pitch 

 

the given signal to inform the crowd that a review is in progress is to hold a finger to the ear and to raise your other hand to stop play 

Kind of. The square sign doesn't mean an overturn in and of itself. If the referee goes to check the monitor to see the images by himself, he needs to make the sign first. He then makes the sign again to indicate a decision based on the VAR, and that's not necessarily an overturn, he can decide to stand by his original decision.

[jammie82uk]

4 hours ago, SCP4Ever said:

Kind of. The square sign doesn't mean an overturn in and of itself. If the referee goes to check the monitor to see the images by himself, he needs to make the sign first. He then makes the sign again to indicate a decision based on the VAR, and that's not necessarily an overturn, he can decide to stand by his original decision.

He doesn’t as I said the sign in this country is a finger to the ear and other hand up to stop play 

 

If in extreme rare cases that the ref needs to see the screen then he makes his way to the side of pitch 

no additional signal needed as it will already be clear we are in a VAR review period 

 

I know I’m not wrong because I’m stating what the man in charge of VAR in this country said in a televised interview 

[SCP4Ever]

5 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

He doesn’t as I said the sign in this country is a finger to the ear and other hand up to stop play 

 

If in extreme rare cases that the ref needs to see the screen then he makes his way to the side of pitch 

no additional signal needed as it will already be clear we are in a VAR review period 

 

I know I’m not wrong because I’m stating what the man in charge of VAR in this country said in a televised interview 

All right then. It's different here, I guess the guidelines from the International Board are broader in that regard as well. It seem weird, but it makes sense in a way.

So what does he signal before he goes to check the video monitor?

[jammie82uk]

3 minutes ago, SCP4Ever said:

All right then. It's different here, I guess the guidelines from the International Board are broader in that regard as well. It seem weird, but it makes sense in a way.

So what does he signal before he goes to check the video monitor?

He doesn’t signal anything extra the ref will just make his way to the side of the pitch as the ref will have made it clear the game is already in a VAR review period by putting his finger to his ear and holding his other hand in the air 

[David Hankey]

VAR will need time to settle in, that's obvious. However it is because of TV and their pundits who see incidents in slow motion and from umpteen different angles as compared to the one off real time the match officials that it is being introduced.

 

Now the likes of Shearer reckon it is a "shambles". You can't have it both ways. Personally I would prefer for matches to be decided on the basis of true decisions being made and if that includes VAR for assistance then so be it.

[SCP4Ever]

The IFAB released a report today with some pretty interesting stats regarding these first months of VAR.

http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/639/165902_220118_IFAB_Media_Package_ABM2017_all_media_FINAL.pdf

 

The statistics are from 804 competitive matches. There were an average of 5 checks per match, with a median time of 20 seconds. 533 matches (68.8%) had no reviews, there was an average of 1 clear and obvious error every 3 matches, the decision accuracy with VAR increased to 98.9%, and reviews have a median time duration of 60 seconds.

The document also has a lot of information regarding implementation, cost, etc. Kind of like an FAQ. It's quite an interesting read, plus they also made a cute little video that's on their social media highlighting these provisional statistics.

https://twitter.com/TheIFAB/status/955492086740119553 

 

[koop.]

I don't like it. At all. A step too far. 

The only reason VAR is here is because of money. 

As a fan, i enjoy those big moments, even the ones that go against you. It hurts at the time but some go for you, some go against. It keeps the game real. 

I hate Cricket, don't make our game like Cricket. 

 

It's like most pop music today, over produced and too 'clean'. There's no raw, true production to anything anymore. Same is happening to football, stop polishing it - it's worked as it is for generations upon generations. 

[Donut]

I do think there is a perception that fans always feel hard done by, and that they don't remember the referee decisions they got in their favour.

 

BUT

 

VAR is essential to the game today. The concept is absolutely whats needed, I think the implementation at the moment isn't particularly great and it needs several adjustments, but it brings professional football into a more professional era where officials decisions are critical

[koop.]

5 hours ago, Donut said:

I do think there is a perception that fans always feel hard done by, and that they don't remember the referee decisions they got in their favour.

 

BUT

 

VAR is essential to the game today. The concept is absolutely whats needed, I think the implementation at the moment isn't particularly great and it needs several adjustments, but it brings professional football into a more professional era where officials decisions are critical

Why is it essential? 

Goal line technology I absolutely agree works and is great (and takes milliseconds) 

But VAR? I don't get it or want it. 

[knowf***all]

2 hours ago, koop. said:

Why is it essential? 

Goal line technology I absolutely agree works and is great (and takes milliseconds) 

But VAR? I don't get it or want it. 

Totally agree

all about TV audiences and money

Once upon a time football was a spectator sport for fans in the ground, we would have moaned that decisions had gone against us, but next game they might go for us

we were always a yoyo club, but it wasn't so bad being relegated in the old days because you knew the next season we were looking forward to a promotion challenge.... money didn't come into it

fast forward to now, £2 million pounds per place in the league!!

it's all about the TV audience at home paying for sky and bt with instant replays and close inspection of every decision, while us in the stands haven't got that privilege 

 

while the current areas open for VAR review are open to someone's opinion, that is where the problem lies...

people( humans)have different opinions

[foxinsocks]

Controversy drives enagement.

 

Professional fouls stiffle entertainment.

 

If fa wants to increase entrtainment then it should prioritise sorting out fouls on centre forwards  when they go for a long ball usually being held by the centre back... and holding at corners.  These fouls reduce goal opportunities.   

 

Triaining could improve the quality of linos. ... too many refs are too old and exhausted by 70 mins

 

The fa is solving the wrong problems... as usual 

[Tielemans63]

That penalty decision in the Liverpool game took almost 4 minutes. That's what I was concerned might happen. It can't take as long as that.

[Papasmurf]

Feel for the poor bastards sat in the ground waiting for something to happen. 

[Aus Fox]

That's 3 decisions gone to the VAR, this is the concern and the problem when used in Australia. Referees refer everything and we still can't all agree they got the decisions correct.

 

[sishades]

From now on goals will only be celebrated subject to verification. VAR removes that  spontaneous combustion of ecstasy when the ball hits the net.

[Malabo Fox]

VAR got every one of those decisions right.....no argument

[st albans fox]

31 minutes ago, sishades said:

From now on goals will only be celebrated subject to verification. VAR removes that  spontaneous combustion of ecstasy when the ball hits the net.

Main reason i never wanted it but i can’t see us going back now 

[Papasmurf]

40 minutes ago, sishades said:

From now on goals will only be celebrated subject to verification. VAR removes that  spontaneous combustion of ecstasy when the ball hits the net.

Bang on. Will ruin the game I love. Will end up like American football. 

[yorkie1999]

I can’t see why they can’t just flash VAR on the screens at games. Everyone knows what’s going on then. Refs pointing to their ears and making signs like they’re playing charades is just daft

[Facecloth]

41 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

I can’t see why they can’t just flash VAR on the screens at games. Everyone knows what’s going on then. Refs pointing to their ears and making signs like they’re playing charades is just daft

Not every ground has a big screen. Anfield as an example.

[AjcW]

3 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Not every ground has a big screen. Anfield as an example.

Think he meant ad boards 

[Super_horns]

Should the players be allowed to ask the officials to use it?

 

That just seen like a form of dissent ..

[Facecloth]

11 minutes ago, AjcW said:

Think he meant ad boards 

And give up valuable seconds of advertising time! 

[foxes_rule1978]

4 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Should the players be allowed to ask the officials to use it?

 

That just seen like a form of dissent ..

No they can’t, they shouldn’t be pressurising the ref at all... it just delays things more as well. Liverpool were a disgrace for this today 

Edited 27 January 2018 by foxes_rule1978

[Super_horns]

And whilst I think it's a good thing to correct big decisions we will we see manager and players soon asking VAR to come in for everything!

 

Refs won't trust themselves and might still get influenced..