Should Riyad Mahrez play for the club again?

[Great Boos Up]

As last time I give these things a week, which is tomorrow. The raw feelings die down and all parties think about their future and what is best for all. I'll even allow a few days grace on that with this particular repeat circumstance.

However, if he doesn't show up on Friday, then Oh my! he will know he's in trouble when I change my vote!

[Otis]

35 minutes ago, Finn Claw II said:

I've never seen a footballer'ss contract so I have no idea if we can keep fining him for missing training.

 

i suspect there is some clause about the players obligations but whether or not we can repeatedly fine him I don't know.

 

Mahrez is 26 more or less at his prime and has 2.5 years left on his contract.  While we could lose £60m or so, he could lose the best years of his career.

 

He may think he holds all the cards but with billionaires as owners he doesn't.

Exactly this. He will be wasting his career, the owners don't care and wont be messed around.

The best thing he can do is turn up tomorrow with a box of donuts, keep his head down and play well and he'll get his move in the summer.

[CollinsLCFC]

A lot of talk of condemning the people who advise him etc, but at the end of the day, it's his decision not to turn up.

 

It's total disrespect to the club, his wages, the car he got for winning the league, bonuses.. and he goes AWOL because we accepted a less than market value offer for him on deadline day. 

 

I understand that he wants to go and play champions league again, win the premier league. I can't fault his ambition, but his professionalism is ridiculous. As I've said before, he was more than happy to accept a 4 year deal on £100k+ a week.

 

I will miss his abilities in the Leicester shirt, but I don't want to see him in one again. 

 

 

[Monsell1976]

Is he on strike or have the club given him time out?.

 

 If sky are to be believed he’s on strike, if the mercury is to be listened to, they don’t know if the club have let him have time out, and are handling the situation at board level with his reps, and with sensitivity.

 

 Maybe the only one’s that know what’s going on are the club and mahrez, so maybe we all should hold judgement until the club make an official statement, which they will have no option to do, the longer it goes on.

Edited 6 February 2018 by Monsell1976

[the fox]

20 minutes ago, DrezZone said:

I've been cut from my team permanently because of my ACL injury and this guy goes on strike for over a week because he didn't get his move even though he plays week in week out, the fans love(d) him, and he makes over 100k a week. Just look 4 years back and he should be grateful how far he came.

too bad to hear that but what does this have to do with him? were you cut because of him ?
stop projecting!

 

sorry to hear what happened to you, i hope you comeback better and find another team!

[the fox]

That's the problem! people are projecting!

 

They see him making more in a week than they do in 4 years and it makes their blood boil. Too bad they can't understand basic economics! You bring in more profit; you get a bigger piece of the pie.

 

He and other footballers make millions because the club makes more millions off of them. simple as!

Edited 6 February 2018 by the fox

[reynard]

14 minutes ago, CollinsLCFC said:

A lot of talk of condemning the people who advise him etc, but at the end of the day, it's his decision not to turn up.

 

It's total disrespect to the club, his wages, the car he got for winning the league, bonuses.. and he goes AWOL because we accepted a less than market value offer for him on deadline day. 

 

I understand that he wants to go and play champions league again, win the premier league. I can't fault his ambition, but his professionalism is ridiculous. As I've said before, he was more than happy to accept a 4 year deal on £100k+ a week.

 

I will miss his abilities in the Leicester shirt, but I don't want to see him in one again. 

 

 

His agent/representatives whatever you want to call him/them are far from blameless. They should be advising him to go back to work and if he refuses their advice then they should terminate their agreement with him. They could quite easily go public with this.

But they won't will they because they wanted this move as much as he did because that is the only way they can keep on making money. A client who is 100% happy with his club and earnings means bad business for agents. They want people to move and to renegotiate contracts because then they get a cut. The amount of money wasted by football at all levels which is paid to these people is nothing short of toatally disgusting.

He's been badly advised and represented in this case if they are condoning his actions.

[leicesterseddon]

Presuming he's not included this weekend, that's three games he's missed. 

 

Only twelve games in the league remaining - we seem resigned to losing him after that anyway so if he's going to come back there's no point waiting too long. 

 

Given we're basically safe the club should put their foot down soon IMO. 

 

I mean how long can you just absent yourself from work without being fired? 

[CollinsLCFC]

1 hour ago, reynard said:

His agent/representatives whatever you want to call him/them are far from blameless. They should be advising him to go back to work and if he refuses their advice then they should terminate their agreement with him. They could quite easily go public with this.

But they won't will they because they wanted this move as much as he did because that is the only way they can keep on making money. A client who is 100% happy with his club and earnings means bad business for agents. They want people to move and to renegotiate contracts because then they get a cut. The amount of money wasted by football at all levels which is paid to these people is nothing short of toatally disgusting.

He's been badly advised and represented in this case if they are condoning his actions.

But the agents/advisers whatever you want to call them are just becoming the scapegoats in this whole episode.

 

He has the choice. It's him who hasn't turned up and gone AWOL.

[Mickyblueeyes]

7 hours ago, the fox said:

Hindsight is a wonderful thing ain't it?

 

The Owners expected him to do what he did last summer and just buckle down and do his job but it seems that this shite of a grenade just exploded in their faces.

There is something about old money vs new money. Both have money of course but the former has reputation on his side. Which pretty much means, just because you are wealthy doesn't mean you are influential.

Riyad and the owners got into this sh*t slinging competition and no one is getting out clean. In the end of the day, riyad is a desirable asset while the club was struggling to get high level players dispite being champions and having CL football. The owners need good publicity not this radioactive mess!

Never take things personally when you are doing business, this isn't the mafia or the yakuza where everything is about your ego. sometimes you have to dink and dunk to reach the next round.

Are the owners sure about wanting to play a game of texas hold'em to see who's the big stack bully against sheikh mansour? 

 

 man city can just comeback in less than two years when kelechi is worth 80+ million and just buy him back on the cheap to send a message?
The owners sent a message and i applaud them for that. They stood by their guns but they have to be prepared for the future. Liverpool overcharged for coutinho and overpaid for van dijk. This is like taking money from your right pocket and putting it on your left. Go and try to buy thorgan hazard. They will just say "95 million For mahrez? give us atleast 60"

I'm sorry but isn't your post contradictory in a sense. 

 

Your final paragraph basically sets out why the owners are clever it what they are doing. Any player worth replacing Mahrez will not be considerably more expensive to City than had they gone in for him without selling Mahrez. They need to play hardball because their prized asset is be sought by a club whose wealth is widely known and acknowledged. This is the exact position they'll find themselves in when they seek Riyad's replacement. 

 

The valuation, the club have given Mahrez in this window is not far fetched. The player had not been priced out of the market at all. He is, in today's market an £80million player. If you dispute see his stats, his influence on his current team and his likely influence on his new team. 

 

Man City, though wealthy, are a new player in the elite club. Their transfer dealings over the last few years show this. Rewind 18 months. It took them that long to realise that Sanchez was not in their price range. Compare that to Man U. They went in, assessed the value. Highlighted Arsenals need and got the deal done. Organic growth of genuine big club compare to a club who have won the lottery. Man City have a lot of growing up to do, to be truly great. 

 

Our owners, though it does not seem that way at present have done what is best for the club. We cannot if we want organic growth succumb to player demand and the flash of desirous offers. Mahrez is worth less than the centre back they bought the week before - someone needs to give them a slap if they truly think that. 

 

It wasn't that long ago that Man City got laughed off the negotiation table when they first made an attempt to become a big club. They persevered and players came. The owners backing, the same will happen here. 

 

For now though, you want the clubs prized asset you pay what the market demands. Simple as. Selling Mahrez on the cheap, though they will look like "nice guys" will not help the club in the future. The old saying: no publicity is bad publicity. 

 

Applauding the owners is one thing. Thinking this move they've made is a stand off with sheikh mansour is naive. He clearly needs to invest in more appropriate negotiators! The move was to preserve the status of the club and its assets. You want our players, ain't no cheap deal on the table. It's taken Southampton nearly four years to realise that!

 

Being nice certainly didnt didn't help the club when they allowed Steve Walsh to go with blessing - in fact it ****ed up our entire recruitment plans for that summer.

[Bunyip]

3 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Not reading this properly are you.

 

When signing the contract there are stipulations in how often we can fine him, we can’t hold him on to him and keep finining him, it’s against his rights. Now what your missing is in the normal world the employee in question would be released from his contract after being fined a certain amount of times and subsequently be taken to court released from his contract and sued for breach of contract. 

 

For obvious reasons, we aren’t going to do that. As he’s a commodity to us. We can fine him a certain amoun of times, after which he hold all the cards. In any other walk of life he’d be ****ed but in this situation it’s quite different.

 

If you know better please do enlighten us all into what happens which I notice you’ve failed to do as you actually have no idea.

And you know all of these things because? You use the term " we"  and " us "  and " for obvious reasons" who are you? do you work for the club in the contracts department? Do enlighten us oh great one. You have no idea and are getting sillier by the post. You know nothing yet profess to know everything from how the club works to the human rights act. Now read this properly You know nothing. 

Edited 6 February 2018 by Bunyip

[fatboytim]

Surely it must be going thru Mahrez's head that Man City obviously don't think he's that good if they weren't prepared to offer the asking price. And it must be going thru Guardiola's head that he really doesn't need a sulky midfielder who goes on strike every time he thinks a bigger club is interested. 

[Manwell Pablo]

8 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

And you know all of these things because? You use the term " we"  and " us "  and " for obvious reasons" who are you? do you work for the club in the contracts department? Do enlighten us oh great one. You have no idea and are getting sillier by the post. You know nothing yet profess to know everything from how the club works to the human rights act. Now read this properly You know nothing. 

 

Bit pathetic that.

 

I know what I know because I’ve worked in a company that deals with employment disputes. We and us would be Leicester city and for obvious reasons would be exactly that, they are reasons that are obvious. 

 

Now we will ignore everything I’ve said, because you’re attempting to look clever and like the umpteen silly twats that have come before will soon realise you’ve gone for the wrong poster. You tell me why I’m so wrong, you telll me the ins and outs of why he keep legally fining Riyad Mahrez. It takes every type I guess.

[Manwell Pablo]

4 hours ago, MattP said:

I think its time we let it be known that we fully expect him back.

 

The longer we leave this the more it looks like we are behaving with sympathy towards him because we've done something wrong. We've done nothing wrong at all.

 

We can't normalise losing a player for numerous matches because we rejected a bid for him.

 

Problem is Matt we cannot expect anything from him, leading on from the stupid discussion I've just had. 

 

Moving away from that best case scenario is someone can convince him to come back and reintegrate which is hopefully what will happen, but there seems to be a lot of bridges burnt here for me.

 

People have talked so regularly about the message we've sent out by taking the actions we have and while for us individually it does in a way show we won't be messed with, collectively for smaller teams trying to hold on to their best players this is just an advertisement to give in. We are in a horrible situation.

 

Depending on how this pans out, The  effect an inicident like this could have on the wider footballing community is scary really. 

 

 

Edited 7 February 2018 by Manwell Pablo

[the fox]

29 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Problem is Matt we cannot expect anything from him, leading on from the stupid discussion I've just had. 

 

Moving away from that best case scenario is someone can convince him to come back and reintegrate which is hopefully what will happen, but there seems to be a lot of bridges burnt here for me.

 

People have talked so regularly about the message we've sent out by taking the actions we have and while for us individually it does in a way show we won't be messed with, collectively for smaller teams trying to hold on to their best players this is just an advertisement to give in. We are in a horrible situation.

 

Depending on how this pans out, The  effect an inicident like this could have on the wider footballing community is scary really. 

 

 

The Club is taking a hit for the other "little guys". We are losing revenue, stability, and points and in the eyes of the players and agents, reputation!

 

The sad thing is, this hard work will go in vain when the invatuble happenes and one of the non-top 6 teams crack under presure and give in to the big boys. Then, instead of going against the norm, we will only strengthen the position of the big clubs. Just another example of "don't go against the hierarchy" for the history books.

 

It a huge hit or miss swing. I have no doubt that this situation will have a huge effect on the future of the PL. The only way the club comes on top is for mahrez to just hand all the power to the club. If he gets a release clause, it's the club's loss. If he doesn't get fined, it's the club's loss. If he and the club agree on a fee, it's the club's loss. If his contract is terminated, it's the club's loss

 

I find it frustrating that people are so immersed in the mahrez criticism (which is mostly fair) instead of looking at the bigger picture. A huge storme gonna hit and i'm afraid the club is on the front lines trying to fight for the underdogs while the underdogs themselves aren't prepared to join in.

 

 

Edited 7 February 2018 by the fox

[Guest]

43 minutes ago, the fox said:

The Club is taking a hit for the other "little guys". We are losing revenue, stability, and points and in the eyes of the players and agents, reputation!

 

The sad thing is, this hard work will go in vain when the invatuble happenes and one of the non-top 6 teams crack under presure and give in to the big boys. Then, instead of going against the norm, we will only strengthen the position of the big clubs. Just another example of "don't go against the hierarchy" for the history books.

 

It a huge hit or miss swing. I have no doubt that this situation will have a huge effect on the future of the PL. The only way the club comes on top is for mahrez to just hand all the power to the club. If he gets a release clause, it's the club's loss. If he doesn't get fined, it's the club's loss. If he and the club agree on a fee, it's the club's loss. If his contract is terminated, it's the club's loss

 

I find it frustrating that people are so immersed in the mahrez criticism (which is mostly fair) instead of looking at the bigger picture. A huge storme gonna hit and i'm afraid the club is on the front lines trying to fight for the underdogs while the underdogs themselves aren't prepared to join in.

 

 

Trouble is the club doesn't see itself fully as underdogs - more as young pretenders. See the vote about increasing tv money for the top.clubs - we were one of only one or two non top 6 clubs to vote for it. At least we're ambitious!

[FoxFossil]

Time to re-run the Poll?

How long has he got before we all give up on him?

[RODNEY FERNIO]

Well I voted that I don't want to see him in a City shirt again when the thread started.

I have not changed my mind.

Thanks for the memories of you as a footballer but no thanks for you as a person. 

[reynard]

9 hours ago, CollinsLCFC said:

But the agents/advisers whatever you want to call them are just becoming the scapegoats in this whole episode.

 

He has the choice. It's him who hasn't turned up and gone AWOL.

Of course you are correct but his agents are part of the problem.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

The longer this charade continues the worse it is going to turn out for Mahrez.

 

He should now be pilloried in the media to the extent that Payet was at West Ham when he went on strike.

 

Its blindingly obvious be cares not about LCFC, us fans or his legacy with the club. 

 

For over a year I was very critical of his attitude, and after what now appears to be a false dawn over the last few months, ‘the chickens have come home to roost’.

 

Hes a total twat, and we should not forget this when we reminisce; he’s turned on us good and proper.

Edited 7 February 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader

[TheFox1]

This situation is bad for the club, bad for Mahrez and bad for the owner . 

 

Retrocatively, knowing the situation today , the best choice would have been to make this transfer even if it isn't at the price asked by the club .

 

I'm not sure he will still be worth this price this summer. 

[mowmacrefox]

Pilloried  i had to google that one

[weller54]

5 minutes ago, mowmacrefox said:

Pilloried  i had to google that one

 

[yorkie1999]

11 hours ago, the fox said:

That's the problem! people are projecting!

 

They see him making more in a week than they do in 4 years and it makes their blood boil. Too bad they can't understand basic economics! You bring in more profit; you get a bigger piece of the pie.

 

He and other footballers make millions because the club makes more millions off of them. simple as!

Course it will make peoples blood boil. The guy is letting the fans and club down with his petulant attitude. He's in a position where fans are supposed to look up to him and yes, he get's paid handsomely because of his talent, but he also gets paid handsomely because of his status and part of that status is to be someone who is admired and at the moment he's not. You talk about economics, why do you think his wages, or any footballers wages are reported as a weekly amount, he doesn't get paid weekly, no other sport reports it's members earnings as a weekly wage, it's all pat of the pysci of making the fans relate to to players, and when there's a relation, there's emotion, and that 's why fans are entitled to be pissed off when players throw a strop and act like knob heads.

 

[RowlattsFox]

Is the Chinese window still open? Can we **** him off there for a huge fee.