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Vardy breaks a new record

By 420Hashish, in Leicester City Forum

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jammie82uk

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26 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Bit of a meaningless stat. Harry Kane is not likely to score against Spurs, Aguero won't score against Man City.

Why is it? There has been plenty of strikers who could have do it in the 8 seasons the big 6 has been a thing 

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3 hours ago, DrezZone said:

Vardy is now the first player to score against all the 'big' 6 teams in a single PL season.

 

#legend

 

https://foxesofleicester.com/2018/02/12/claude-puel-wants-record-breaking-jamie-vardy-continue-fantastic-work/

The "big six" as it is now has only been around for one or two seasons so not sure how this is quantified

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3 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

Why is it? There has been plenty of strikers who could have do it in the 8 seasons the big 6 has been a thing 

Again when did the "big six" begin?

 

Man utd won league titles without a big six then were 7th under moyes.

 

Its only the last couple of seasons spurs have been a consistent top 4 team.

 

In recent times everton, leicester, newcastle have all qualified for europe through the league too.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Donut said:

Again when did the "big six" begin?

 

Man utd won league titles without a big six then were 7th under moyes.

 

Its only the last couple of seasons spurs have been a consistent top 4 team.

 

In recent times everton, leicester, newcastle have all qualified for europe through the league too.

 

 

About 8 years ago, you don’t have to finish consistently in the top 4 to be a big 6 team, why pick spurs? When Liverpool have been the worst performing of the so called big 6 over the last 8 years 

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The Doctor

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9 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

Why is it? There has been plenty of strikers who could have do it in the 8 seasons the big 6 has been a thing 

It was the big four a decade ago, then the big five when man city got their money, now spurs are media darlings it's the big six... if we were to establish a fight for sixth and cut everyone else adrift, we'd join the big 7. It's a meaningless grouping, hence a meaningless stat

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Not sure why so many are quick to call it meaningless.

 

No player has ever scored against Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and Man City in the same season.

 

Whatever you think about the "big 6" debate, that's still an impressive achievement that I bet nobody else has even got close to.

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11 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Not sure why so many are quick to call it meaningless.

 

No player has ever scored against Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and Man City in the same season.

 

Whatever you think about the "big 6" debate, that's still an impressive achievement that I bet nobody else has even got close to.

It's a reasonable acheivement, and with goals vs Huddersfield, Watford, Swansea and Everton he's still able to set what would be a real record - scoring against every team in the division (current record is i think 17 out of 19), but scored against all of a grouping that only exists in marketing? Not a record, even if it is impressive.  

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10 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

It's a reasonable acheivement, and with goals vs Huddersfield, Watford, Swansea and Everton he's still able to set what would be a real record - scoring against every team in the division (current record is i think 17 out of 19), but scored against all of a grouping that only exists in marketing? Not a record, even if it is impressive.  

The group doesn't just exist in marketing.

 

It's the 6 best teams in the league on average in a 10 year period.

 

If it was like "every team from London" then i'd agree, but come on, they're called the big 6 for a reason.

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2 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

The group doesn't just exist in marketing.

 

It's the 6 best teams in the league on average in a 10 year period.

 

If it was like "every team from London" then i'd agree, but come on, they're called the big 6 for a reason.

And it expands every time a new club gets a bit of money or becomes fancied. A decade ago we were talking big four, and even that didn't exist prior to Abramovich at chelsea

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20 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

And it expands every time a new club gets a bit of money or becomes fancied. A decade ago we were talking big four, and even that didn't exist prior to Abramovich at chelsea

It expands whenever someone is good enough joins it.

 

Lets not pretend they're not 6 of the best sides in the world. They're undoubtedly the best six in England.

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10 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

It expands whenever someone is good enough joins it.

 

Lets not pretend they're not 6 of the best sides in the world. They're undoubtedly the best six in England.

No-ones pretending that though. You're arguing against something no-one has said. But, "big six" is not a thing - it's however many people want to talk about at the time, and scoring against whatever arbitrary number the "big" sides is at is not worthy of a record, regardless of how impressive it might be to score against those sides.

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Although it’s not as impressive a stat compared to when you first read it and digest it, it’s definitely not meaningless because five of those six (excluding Man City) have been up at the top end of the table for the whole of PL history, if not for the majority of it, so it’s still a very impressive list to complete in a season. Take nothing away from Vardy because there have been plenty of great goal scorers  who either didn’t play for one of those clubs or did at some point but had the opportunity to do so when they had a spell at a non big 6 club and were still prolific. For example Shearer, Rooney, Les Ferdinand, Defoe, Le Tissier, Crouch,  Lukaku, Kevin Phillips, Tevez, Wright, Sheringham and many others could’ve done it at some point. Either way it further highlights that Vardy is easily the best Prem striker outside the top 6, we can all agree on that! :vardy:

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57 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

It's a reasonable acheivement, and with goals vs Huddersfield, Watford, Swansea and Everton he's still able to set what would be a real record - scoring against every team in the division (current record is i think 17 out of 19), but scored against all of a grouping that only exists in marketing? Not a record, even if it is impressive.  

That’s a good shout. It’s impressive that he’s now scored against ten of the nineteen other teams so far this season and every opponent we’ve played twice so far he’s bagged against home and/or away. Let’s hope he keeps it up! Still though needs to score against Bournemouth, Brighton, Burnley, Palace, Newcastle, Southampton, Stoke, West Brom and West Ham to complete the job!

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Vardinio'sCat

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It is impressive, I hope Southgate has worked out that JV works well against better teams.

 

It is all the more impressive considering that I have been informed that JV has lost a yard of pace. What would I do without FT's posters keeping me up to date with quality factual information, via their radar gun eyes presumably. 

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