Foxestalk Brexit Re-Referendum

[Guest]

Just wondered whether there's been any significant change in public opinion and don't trust pollsters any more! 

Edited 27 February 2018 by Guest

[fuchsntf]

If there was a Swing of 2million,either way. I doubt this or any other Poll would really

Show any tendence..

 

I Wish my fellow Brits,all around in the UK had voted remain.

I doubt one voter,will See any of their own expected changes/Advantages

reflect their views and opinions,come to the fore in their working lifetime.

It amazes me, how it seems whether a remainer/Brexitir,that few  dont

understand the length  of time and need of the negotiations and transactions

that are taking place.Plus how people seem to want to attack the Envoys and

Spokesman that are Heading these negotiations,in the Name of the UK.

Fuelled by poor speculative journalism/Media, based on their own frustration

of Not understanding that there would be the variables and  consequences.

I have No leanings,one way or tother,to any Party politics.

In a democracy,even same Party Politicians  will have Opposite opinions,

so this Idea of Party Unitity is hogwash,and that is what is fogging Up,

the important issues,because the Media,then Party spokesman,get the

Electorate to concentrate on silly issues,instead of the Main agendas

and Party Mandates.Plus the right to expect debate within the Same Party,

and obvious Cross-Party.

What I am finding wrong,is we are Not seeing Cross-Party Interaction

or its not being put forward or reported on,on the biggest issue for the

UK in probably 70yrs.

Though I Fall on the remainer Side, I See No reason in Feeling Joy,

or "Schadenfreude", on the Chaos that is being Portrayed on the UKs

Governments Handling and actions,discussions and debates,that

will lead to the UKs  Exit of EU. The Country decided,that descision

is now Not wrong.....Its Just that there are some bumbkins,Not poor,

But pathetic inconsistent/incompetent British Leading Politicians,Directly

or indirectly involved representing  UKs Agenda to leave.

 

I believe there are good people involved,but I Just See Boris,as our very own

D.Trump.Hes a disaster..So  then one questions the Cons leadership.

I didnt Like Thatchers govt,but they though Not to my liking,were/seemed

Competent within office and clinical on Intention.Even without the whips,

Getting involved.

 

In 12 days,it will become anyway  totally immaterial to my older dedications

and thoughts. I will be taken under the Care of German citizenship.

Wcup winner in my old dotage,in alot of Sports,how nice!!

But City, then English Rugby and Cricket,will never die...

Some civilised emotions,just cant be buried or Hidden.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 28 February 2018 by fuchsntf

[Strokes]

1 minute ago, fuchsntf said:

If there was a Swing of 2million,either way. I doubt this or any other Poll would really

Show any tendence..

That depends how many accounts moose has that are still active here 

[Stadt]

I voted leave, would vote remain now. At the time I put a fair amount of research into it but I can't recall the exact reason why I voted the way I did - I'm not a fan of the European commission, the EU is too easily lobbied and pally with big business but ultimately I realised that it's better the devil we know. The balance of trade with the EU speaks for itself (obviously we're going to trade more with a huge trading bloc that we have free trade with) but it's a big leap of faith which could have a fantastic upside but equally it could be too damaging. Personally I don't have faith in the current government to deliver a successful brexit, in fact I don't think there's any leader of a UK political party that could.

[Guest Kopfkino]

Didn't vote. Would vote remain now to avoid all the whinging and the sheer obsession with it everywhere. It's also wasting a lot of time that could be spent on useful stuff.

Edited 28 February 2018 by Kopfkino

[Carl the Llama]

I voted for what's best for this country and I'd still vote for that.

[Donut]

I voted remain, and would still vote remain.

 

Nothing about Brexit has given me any optimism. Taking back control........of what? control so we can have bendy bananas? take control to end policies that protect workers rights? take control to end policies that cap bankers bonuses? What possible benefit am I going to see out of that? None

 

I fear that we have lost a significant percentage of our negotiating power for trade leaving the EU and negotiating our own trade deals. What will that lead to? lots of deregulation so we can import lower quality products to keep costs somewhat reasonable? What are we going to suddenly start selling lots more of to China and India? what about all the companies based here who will be paying tariffs on all the components they import to manufacture products? I have no idea

 

Exporting has been benefitted? the pound is down and im not an exporter

 

Open door immigration is a big issue for so many, but i live in an area with very little EU immigration and can honestly say immigration in its current form has not affected my life. Its not damaged my employment prospects, salary, anything. Its just an easy stick to use against problems like the NHS, when the issue is not immigrants or the EU, its austerity.

 

And during the leave campaign, the leave camp simply told complete lies too on some issues

 

Cant wait to have a blue passport though. And even though ill have less money in my pocket, fvck it.........SOVEREIGNTY

Edited 28 February 2018 by Donut

[Vardinio'sCat]

 

I've got no problem with experts, when I get ill I go the doctor. 

 

I'm surprised Gove has made it into long trousers. 

Edited 28 February 2018 by Vardinio'sCat
coherence

[stripeyfox]

Voted remain after giving myself as much information as I could. Would still vote remain now.

 

Was a crazy decision to have a referendum, then both sides misinform people. We elect governments to make decisions for us, so we don't have to do it ourselves.

 

People voted leave for all sorts of reasons, but immigration was a big issue. 

 

This is what happens when you let the idiots make the decisions.

 

 

[stripeyfox]

6 hours ago, Wookie said:

I voted leave, would vote remain now. At the time I put a fair amount of research into it but I can't recall the exact reason why I voted the way I did - I'm not a fan of the European commission, the EU is too easily lobbied and pally with big business but ultimately I realised that it's better the devil we know. The balance of trade with the EU speaks for itself (obviously we're going to trade more with a huge trading bloc that we have free trade with) but it's a big leap of faith which could have a fantastic upside but equally it could be too damaging. Personally I don't have faith in the current government to deliver a successful brexit, in fact I don't think there's any leader of a UK political party that could.

Fair play. In my workplace I was the only remainer and it continues to cause friction. Although I suspect some of my colleagues feel like you, no one will admit it!
 

[StanSP]

Remain and remain. 

[Guest MattP]

Voted leave, still back leave.

 

Wouldn't take part in a second referendum though if it happened.

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, MattP said:

Voted leave, still back leave.

 

Wouldn't take part in a second referendum though if it happened.

How come?

[Strokes]

1 minute ago, toddybad said:

How come?

Me neither, if they are asking again before even delivering the original. What is the point?

I would just vote for any party that stands on a manifesto of delivering the result and the rest of that parties politics would be of no interest to me, however extreme they may be.

[Brizzle Fox]

Remain and remain as per over 62% of the city I call home did, which fills me with a degree of pride. Also don't know anyone in my professional and personal circle who voted leave. But then again I'm a middle class tosser who lives in a relatively affluent, liberal area so on a very simplistic level that may explain this to a degree.

 

Only people I know who voted leave were my parents who did it to 'get our country back'. Both in their 80s and have no explanation of what they mean by that. Quite frustrating.

 

However it's done now and Remainers like myself need to stop whining and get on with making the best of what will no doubt be an absolute disaster and grasp any opportunities that do arise.

 

Cameron has a hell of a lot to answer for here and it annoys me what an easy ride he gets in this regard. History will not look kindly on him.

[Rogstanley]

56 minutes ago, MattP said:

Voted leave, still back leave.

 

Wouldn't take part in a second referendum though if it happened.

Not going to happen but what if we had a referendum every 5 years?

[lgfualol]

Remain / Remain

 

Surprised it hasn't been binned off already, tbh.

[Guest MattP]

47 minutes ago, toddybad said:

How come?

For a start I wouldn't want to legitimise it, a second referendum before the decision of a first one being implemented would be ridiculous, if they want a second referendum in ten years then no problem, we'll know the circumstances then of the decision and we can decide whether we want to stay on that course or re-enter. Secondly, why would they stop at another referendum if they want to overturn the result? Why not a third after transition? I'm sure the argument will then be "we now know even more, let's have another go, see what the people think" - that's what the establishment does when it doesn't get it's own way in the vote. It's what they did when the irish and the Dutch said no to the Lisbon Treaty.

 

I'd rather let Remain win a second on a low turnout, then as @Strokes says, fight the issue properly in a General Election, put time, effort and money into backing pro-leave MP's of all parties in all seats, with 17.4 million votes to go at you would only need to pick up 65-70% of that to win a majority (Constituency wise the vote was about 61-39% leave becauise of the high concentration of remain voters in Scotland/London) and then implement the decision without any major issues, party politics or threat of backbench rebellion.

 

It's what we should have done in the first place really, would have seen a very different attitude from some MP's then towards the whole issue.

Edited 28 February 2018 by MattP

[Guest MattP]

Won't last, but I'm liking the current swing to leave

[Turbogre]

Leave and Leave.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, MattP said:

Won't last, but I'm liking the current swing to leave

The swing of 1 back to leave happened at the same time that you first commented.....

Edited 28 February 2018 by Guest

[SemperEadem]

Remain / Remain

 

It has become even more of a sham. 

[Guest MattP]

11 minutes ago, toddybad said:

The swing of 1 back to leave happened at the same time that you first commented.....

It didn't, it was about 2-3 to Remain when I made my first post (as it is now).

[Rogstanley]

Guarantee every leaver has put remain to leave and every remainer has put leave to remain

[Izzy]

I was initially going to vote Leave but changed my mind last minute and voted Remain. 

 

I really don't know how I'd vote if it was held now because I'm more confused than I was first time around