Steve Walsh - A revisionist history

[The whole world smiles]

I was Watching Adrien Silva struggle to impact the game again yesterday and it occurred to me that maybe Steve Walsh got to much credit for the signings which won us the leauge. Whilst I appreciate Silva wasn't a Walsh signing he had tried hard to sign him in the summer of 16/17.

 

If you remember we lost Ben Wriggleworth one of our scouts to arsenal in Feb 16. Since he hasn't been working with Ben here is Walsh's record.

 

At leicester

Slimani - 27 million

Musa - 17 million

Kapuska - 7 million

Zieler - 3.5 million 

Hernandez - free

Mendy - 14 million

 

At Everton

Keane - 25 million

Sigurdson - 45 million

Klasen - 25 million

Pickford - 25 million

Wallcott - 20 million

Tosun - 20 million

Vlasic - 10 million

Onyekuru - 7 million

Ramirez - 5 million

 

That's a staggering 240 million spent over two seasons (260 million if you include Silva). And arguably the only signing that has actually been any good at all is Pickford. That's abysmal. Where's arsenal's transfer dealings since Wriggleworth went to them has been pretty solid with Mustafi and Kolasinac on a free being the highlights.

 

At the time when we lost Ben, Linekar commented that arsenal 'Took the wrong scout' but maybe they didn't maybe they took the right one and we kept the wrong one. Maybe Wriggleworth was the brains behind Vardy for 1 million, Mahrez for 400k, Drinkwater for 1 million, Kante for 6 million  etc etc. And maybe losing him and keeping Walsh was a mistake we are still paying for now....

 

 

 

[funkyrobot]

1 minute ago, The whole world smiles said:

I was Watching Adrien Silva struggle to impact the game again yesterday and it occurred to me that maybe Steve Walsh got to much credit for the signings which won us the leauge. Whilst I appreciate Silva wasn't a Walsh signing he had tried hard to sign him in the summer of 16/17.

 

If you remember we lost Ben Wriggleworth one of our scouts to arsenal in Feb 16. Since he hasn't been working with Ben here is Walsh's record.

 

At leicester

Slimani - 27 million

Musa - 17 million

Kapuska - 7 million

Zieler - 3.5 million 

Hernandez - free

Mendy - 14 million

 

At Everton

Keane - 25 million

Sigurdson - 45 million

Klasen - 25 million

Pickford - 25 million

Wallcott - 20 million

Tosun - 20 million

Vlasic - 10 million

Onyekuru - 7 million

Ramirez - 5 million

 

That's a staggering 240 million spent over two seasons (260 million if you include Silva). And arguably the only signing that has actually been any good at all is Pickford. That's abysmal. Where's arsenal's transfer dealings since Wriggleworth went to them has been pretty solid with Mustafi and Kolasinac on a free being the highlights.

 

At the time when we lost Ben, Linekar commented that arsenal 'Took the wrong scout' but maybe they didn't maybe they took the right one and we kept the wrong one. Maybe Wriggleworth was the brains behind Vardy for 1 million, Mahrez for 400k, Drinkwater for 1 million, Kante for 6 million  etc etc. And maybe losing him and keeping Walsh was a mistake we are still paying for now....

 

 

 

Mustafi and Kolasinac haven’t been great for The Arse tbf. 

[mod hero]

He got lucky with a couple of signings for us.

 

Everton fans ****ing hate him

[somebum]

Everton fans hate him

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

2 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

I was Watching Adrien Silva struggle to impact the game again yesterday and it occurred to me that maybe Steve Walsh got to much credit for the signings which won us the leauge. Whilst I appreciate Silva wasn't a Walsh signing he had tried hard to sign him in the summer of 16/17.

 

If you remember we lost Ben Wriggleworth one of our scouts to arsenal in Feb 16. Since he hasn't been working with Ben here is Walsh's record.

 

At leicester

Slimani - 27 million

Musa - 17 million

Kapuska - 7 million

Zieler - 3.5 million 

Hernandez - free

Mendy - 14 million

 

At Everton

Keane - 25 million

Sigurdson - 45 million

Klasen - 25 million

Pickford - 25 million

Wallcott - 20 million

Tosun - 20 million

Vlasic - 10 million

Onyekuru - 7 million

Ramirez - 5 million

 

That's a staggering 240 million spent over two seasons (260 million if you include Silva). And arguably the only signing that has actually been any good at all is Pickford. That's abysmal. Where's arsenal's transfer dealings since Wriggleworth went to them has been pretty solid with Mustafi and Kolasinac on a free being the highlights.

 

At the time when we lost Ben, Linekar commented that arsenal 'Took the wrong scout' but maybe they didn't maybe they took the right one and we kept the wrong one. Maybe Wriggleworth was the brains behind Vardy for 1 million, Mahrez for 400k, Drinkwater for 1 million, Kante for 6 million  etc etc. And maybe losing him and keeping Walsh was a mistake we are still paying for now....

 

 

 

I think Arsenal fans might take issue with calling Mustafi and Kolasinic “pretty solid”. 

 

Most of those Everton signings have been there a season, some of them 6 months or less. Harsh to judge based on that I would say. And I would say that same about Mendy.

[NorthfieldsFox]

His luck ran out , he is getting sacked in summer as well , big sam doesn’t rate him and has told Everton board as much 

[FLAN]

I’d say Walcott was a SAM signing. 

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

This summer will probably be the only opportunity to get the holy trinity of Pearson, Shakespeare and Walsh in to rebuild our club. Take it.

[RumbleFox]

Thought Silva was one of the few decent players yesterday?  Regarding Walsh, I think these things are a culmination of so many factors, some human some dumb luck.  There were so many things that came right in our rise to the top, I think it was more of a group effort than down to one man.  Moreover, on paper, many of those Everton signings look like quality players and we don't yet know if they will come good.  I for one would probably still take Keane if offered cheap.  X

[Fox92]

16 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

I was Watching Adrien Silva struggle to impact the game again yesterday and it occurred to me that maybe Steve Walsh got to much credit for the signings which won us the leauge. Whilst I appreciate Silva wasn't a Walsh signing he had tried hard to sign him in the summer of 16/17.

 

If you remember we lost Ben Wriggleworth one of our scouts to arsenal in Feb 16. Since he hasn't been working with Ben here is Walsh's record.

 

At leicester

Slimani - 27 million

Musa - 17 million

Kapuska - 7 million

Zieler - 3.5 million 

Hernandez - free

Mendy - 14 million

 

At Everton

Keane - 25 million

Sigurdson - 45 million

Klasen - 25 million

Pickford - 25 million

Wallcott - 20 million

Tosun - 20 million

Vlasic - 10 million

Onyekuru - 7 million

Ramirez - 5 million

 

That's a staggering 240 million spent over two seasons (260 million if you include Silva). And arguably the only signing that has actually been any good at all is Pickford. That's abysmal. Where's arsenal's transfer dealings since Wriggleworth went to them has been pretty solid with Mustafi and Kolasinac on a free being the highlights.

 

At the time when we lost Ben, Linekar commented that arsenal 'Took the wrong scout' but maybe they didn't maybe they took the right one and we kept the wrong one. Maybe Wriggleworth was the brains behind Vardy for 1 million, Mahrez for 400k, Drinkwater for 1 million, Kante for 6 million  etc etc. And maybe losing him and keeping Walsh was a mistake we are still paying for now....

 

 

 

I think there's a difference between finding a player and actually paying for a player. IE I think Walsh would have found Slimani but I don't think he'd have paid nearly £30mill for him.

 

Walsh and Pearson were looking at Vardy when they were at Hull. 

[lgfualol]

4 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I think there's a difference between finding a player and actually paying for a player. IE I think Walsh would have found Slimani but I don't think he'd have paid nearly £30mill for him.

 

Walsh and Pearson were looking at Vardy when they were at Hull. 

Wasn't he available for about 20m that Summer in July or something. We definitely would have taken advantage of that. Absolute shambles that we left it late again, thus paying loads. Cant believe we did it one year later with a player from the same club... 

[Voll Blau]

One wonders how we won the league at all given the great lengths some will go to discredit basically anyone who was involved with it. What a basket case fanbase we are.

[Rogstanley]

You'll get people defending Walsh to the hilt for whatever reason, objectively however he made a few superb bargain signings for us, but is consistently pretty awful when it comes to bigger money buys and his failure in summer 2016 is one of the main reasons we weren't able to capitalise on winning the league.

 

Could well be something in the Wrigglesworth claim too though I was under the impression he was more of a data bod than a 'real' scout.

 

What also rarely gets mentioned is the support the owners gave him and NP in allowing them to gamble on players like Vardy and Mahrez. Ok they weren't big sums in the grand scheme of things but not every owner in the championship will permit the luxury of being able gamble with £1.4m of their money.

[FireFox]

On 25/03/2018 at 14:38, Albert said:

He [Eduardo Macia] had major influence on the signings of Iborra, Silva, Slimani & N’didi.

Benny, Kaputska, Mendy, Diabate, Maguire we’re manager signings. The rest were Walsh’s.

 

53 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

I was Watching Adrien Silva struggle to impact the game again yesterday and it occurred to me that maybe Steve Walsh got to much credit for the signings which won us the leauge. Whilst I appreciate Silva wasn't a Walsh signing he had tried hard to sign him in the summer of 16/17.

 

If you remember we lost Ben Wriggleworth one of our scouts to arsenal in Feb 16. Since he hasn't been working with Ben here is Walsh's record.

 

At leicester

Slimani - 27 million

Musa - 17 million

Kapuska - 7 million

Zieler - 3.5 million 

Hernandez - free

Mendy - 14 million

So Musa really is the only failure, a player who was raw and had potential to be "the next Vardy", but hasn't been.

 

Zieler was fine as a backup keeper, but when it was clear Kasper was staying, he wasn't happy to stay, fair enough, and we made a profit selling him IIRC.

 

Hernandez, again we got a profit from, and did fine in the Champion's League as right back, but was never given a chance at centre back - where he has been playing this season and was playing the season before we signed him.

[Albert]

1 hour ago, FireFox said:

 

So Musa really is the only failure, a player who was raw and had potential to be "the next Vardy", but hasn't been.

 

Zieler was fine as a backup keeper, but when it was clear Kasper was staying, he wasn't happy to stay, fair enough, and we made a profit selling him IIRC.

 

Hernandez, again we got a profit from, and did fine in the Champion's League as right back, but was never given a chance at centre back - where he has been playing this season and was playing the season before we signed him.

Don’t kid yourself, they’re all failures 

[st albans fox]

7 minutes ago, Albert said:

Don’t kid yourself, they’re all failures 

Irrelevant of who bought who, that little list is  the champ league money pretty well pissed up a wall 

 

68 m + s / o fees and agents fees 

 

forget the wages on top .........

[brucey]

Gueye, Lookman?

[Ian Nacho]

43 minutes ago, brucey said:

Gueye, Lookman?

They were already known to be fair.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

The thing about Walsh is his signings tend to take time to bed in. He is a scout who recommends a player with a long term plan. Apart from Kante, most of his signings here took a year/18 months to find their feet. Take a look at the Middlesbrough game thread (back when we won the Championship) on here when Drinkwater and Vardy started. 

 

Apart from Kante and Cambiasso (who was a sure thing just based on his experience), most took some time to find their feet. Everton fans should remember that.

 

Walsh did an excellent job here. Not only in helping to build the title winning squad but his work in League One and the subsequent play off campaign as well. Everton fans should look a bit deeper and remember this.

 

His legacy deserves the respect given that we were signing shit like Jarrett and Johnson before he came in. I would have him back in a heart beat.

[Guest MattP]

Mustafi has done OK? He's awful. The first statue built inside a football stadium.