Japanfox Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 Just a wide idea, but why has the so called old guard of that year, maybe calling the shots to change in style. Haven't we lost the last fews managers due to a change in style of play. Is it a player revolt? What's the FTs opinion of this?
5waller5 Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 19 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: OUCH! That's put me off cycling!!!!
Alf Bentley Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 53 minutes ago, RoboFox said: Our cycle goes a little something like this. Haven't you got that other video? The one from 3 years ago.... when she explicably took off, flew through the sky with a flock of angels as heavenly choirs sang....and then ended up back on the bike, rocking to and fro and eventually falling on her face?
Nalis Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 At the moment, our cycle is less tour de france and more training wheels...
Pete from the USA Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 The cycle is that we lost the previous two managers to a fan revolt. Home performances are suffering now because the fans are booing the players. So we are about to lose a third manager. Maybe the biggest thing holding back this club is the fans.
coolhandfox Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 1 hour ago, Pete from the USA said: The cycle is that we lost the previous two managers to a fan revolt. Home performances are suffering now because the fans are booing the players. So we are about to lose a third manager. Maybe the biggest thing holding back this club is the fans. What a load of rubbish, Claudio Ranieri was sack because the team was playing poorly that season and where 17th after 25 games, with only 21 points, and had lost five league games on the bounce, along with being the only side in the top four English divisions without a league goal in 2017 when his was sack on the 23rd of February. When Craig Shakespeare was sack, we were third from bottom in the Premier League having not won any of our last six league matches. They were sack due to performance, not fans Whilst I like the strategy were are try to develop, in recruiting young player, playing a more possession system, the current manager isn't helping himself. As Jose himself found out you have to keep fans and the media onside, a manager need to create a positive vibe around the club. We are playing like an away team when we are home, i.e. keep it tight and nick a goal, too often at home we are too passive against the mid to low table sides and has lead to poor results against the poorer sides in the league.
elvisfmcfly Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 1 hour ago, Pete from the USA said: The cycle is that we lost the previous two managers to a fan revolt. Home performances are suffering now because the fans are booing the players. So we are about to lose a third manager. Maybe the biggest thing holding back this club is the fans. When you’ve got nothing you’ve got nothing to lose!
fazzyfox Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 Once Puel gets on his bike we'll find a new gear, he wheely needs a brake, it's been an uphill struggle to find consistency and we look close to the point where the wheels come off completely. Then we can chain a run of home wins together and the cogs will start turning again, the players are easy to handle bar Gray who's a bit sulky, once we get our foot back on the pedal we'll be in the frame for 7th place, less red cards (unless you punch-yer opponent) too.
mozartfox Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 Nobody on FT (apart from Sean ) really knows how much influence the old guard have on style and Team affairs. I personally am often puzzled why Wes is undroppable. Anyway, the old guard will be depleted come June, so maybe next season we may see some noticeable changes in our style and selection
fazzyfox Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 I see the original point and would debate whether this is an identical cycle to the previous changes where it is perceived that senior players turned against the manager. In the current situation we've seen the Vardy situation where both sides views have been aired publicly, Albrighton may feel he plays well one week but is dropped to the bench the next and he seems a quiet pro that will just keep his head down and carry on working and Slimani, Silva, Benny will all have grievances of their own but the younger players and new signings may be buying into the idea that it's for their long term benefit (the system and style) so I wonder if it will be just a partial mutiny with not enough of a majority to have an impact although enough to cause a destabilising (and I was trying to avoid cycle puns) atmosphere. There are rumours that the training, tactics and Claude's personality rubs them up the wrong way but on the issue of being frustrated at the system and style they're being asked to play I would have sympathy with the players, I believe our problem v Southampton was not the inevitable barricade vs shut out in the 2nd half but our lack of attacking impact in the first half caused by a team sheet with three defensive midfielders on it, fine for suppressing Man City and Chelsea but Vs Southampton at home? Mendy's brain freezes on Saturday are hard to explain but it feels one game too many where things have capitulated too easily which leads to looking for an underlying cause, not an unreasonable thing to do. I appreciate the argument that you can't let the senior players pick and choose the manager and dictate his destiny and when it's happened three times maybe it's them and not the manager etc but Puel baffles and frustrates me so heaven knows what he's like to work with on a daily basis. It may be a continuation of the cycle or it may be that he's the cause of the current atmosphere, it's a worthy debate nonetheless.
ClaphamFox Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 Another cycle is that the frustrations our fans are experiencing at the moment echo exactly those of Southampton fans when Puel was in charge - ie, very defensive line-ups at home, leading to turgid performances that bore everybody stupid. Southampton didn't score a goal in their last five home games under Puel - despite the fact that they were already basically safe and had no reason to play so defensively. That's why he got sacked despite finishing 8th - the fans were just so sick of the style of football he favoured. He's now doing the same here - we played three defensive midfielders at home on Saturday against a struggling team at a time when we're in virtually no danger of relegation. It's a pattern. And a worrying one.
Nicolo Barella Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said: Another cycle is that the frustrations our fans are experiencing at the moment echo exactly those of Southampton fans when Puel was in charge - ie, very defensive line-ups at home, leading to turgid performances that bore everybody stupid. Southampton didn't score a goal in their last five home games under Puel - despite the fact that they were already basically safe and had no reason to play so defensively. That's why he got sacked despite finishing 8th - the fans were just so sick of the style of football he favoured. He's now doing the same here - we played three defensive midfielders at home on Saturday against a struggling team at a time when we're in virtually no danger of relegation. It's a pattern. And a worrying one. Generally, we have been playing with a 4-2-3-1, far from a defensive line-up. Just that we have no midfielder who can actually transition play from defence to attack slickly, and our AM 3 aren't really clicking. That is probably to some degree Puel's fault that the three behind Vardy aren't mixing, and it remains to be seen if he can fix that. The midfield problem really only has one fix however.
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