Female Football Managers in the mens game

[Leicesterpool]

Following a recent news article I read recently regarding the Chelsea's women's manager Emma Hayes...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46928358

 

It brought to my attention how people feel about if actually more female manager's came into the mens game, could we actually see this happening? or how you feel about this?, say Claude Puel was sacked tomorrow and Emma Hayes was a surprise contender for the job? be interesting to see everyone's thoughts on. One could argue that in women's game there are many male manager's including the national team itself with Phil Neville in charge, so why not the other way round?

[Nick]

9 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said:

Following a recent news article I read recently regarding the Chelsea's women's manager Emma Hayes...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46928358

 

It brought to my attention how people feel about if actually more female manager's came into the mens game, could we actually see this happening? or how you feel about this?, say Claude Puel was sacked tomorrow and Emma Hayes was a surprise contender for the job? be interesting to see everyone's thoughts on. One could argue that in women's game there are many male manager's including the national team itself with Phil Neville in charge, so why not the other way round?

It will happen at some point but Jesus the amount of dinosaurs that will need to be eaten en route will be ridiculous.

[urban.spaceman]

Another ****ing Puel Out Thread. 

[RoboFox]

Unfortunately, there is still relatively large core of insecure neanderthal football supporters within all clubs' fanbases who would feel utterly emasculated by the very thought of it.

 

[Leicesterpool]

23 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

Unfortunately, there is still relatively large core of insecure neanderthal football supporters within all clubs' fanbases who would feel utterly emasculated by the very thought of it.

 

I would agree that, I reckon there has been a lot of female coaches applied for jobs in the mens game but been turned down by clubs in fear of fans reaction. I mean we're not just talking about top manager's position we're talking about the coaching staff aswell, apart from the physio role I don't think I ever seen female football coach, coaching a men's team. I seem to recall Hope Powell been linked to the Grimsby job many years ago.

 

In the boardroom front we are seeing alot more female staff, of course Leicester have got Susan Whelan whose the Chief Executive here and by the sounds of it plays who a huge role in appointments and recruitment made at Leicester I believe. My point there is if you can have female staff working in those important roles what about the critical roles in the coaching. 

[Countryfox]

 

Never !!!! ...   they should stick to things like cooking ...   sewing ..  and keeping the house tidy.  

 

You’ll be telling us next they will be sports presenters,  Chief Constables, Prime Ministers ! ...   or even being allowed in the SAS !!!       

 

Get real !!

[Alf Bentley]

 

As older posters will recall, Cherie Lunghi has already managed in the men's game, back around 1989:

 

Might have to re-watch "The Manageress", as it seems to be on YouTube....

 

[Finnegan]

As long as they're hired on merit I don't give a ****. 

 

Male, female, trans, hundred year old, sixteen year old, short, fat, gay, disabled, who cares if you can coach football? Just work your way up like they all should really, even the ex world class stars. Go manage a shit team and earn your stripes. 

 

Same applies to refs, refs assistants, pundits, commentators, officials, I don't care really. No problem with any of them being women as long as they're there on merit. 

 

What ****s me off at the moment with Sky, BT and the Beeb all the same is tokenism.

 

Premier League football on the telly, the pundits are all ex Premier league players, you won't find a non league journeyman or a football league journeyman there anywhere. Most of them were top level, won trophies, international caps at all. 

 

Watch a football league game, it'll all be football league ex players that were around for years, experienced promotions etc, watch non league on BT it'll be a few bigger names from non league football that played there and know that level. 

 

Watch SPL it'll all be Scots pundits that played hundreds of games in Scottish football. Major international tournaments, out come all the foreign World class stars that won multiple international caps. 

 

It's nothing to do with race, gender, religion, sexuality, they just pick players who've played at that relevant level. So what's with the obsession with token female pundits at the moment who have absolutely no idea what it means to play top level Premier league football? It's just cringe worthy. 

 

What relatable experience do they have to convey? I mean if you're going to just have journalists on the panel then no problem, I think it works well on the European football show or on the old Revista de la Liga. In which case, if they know football, I don't care what's between their legs. 

 

But if Chelsea are playing Tottenham, don't roll out Aluko, whack a graphic on the screen saying she scored thirty odd in seventy appearances for Chelsea and act like she's an expert on the inner workings of the Chelsea men's team like she's Lampard or Terry or something. 

 

 

... I may have gone slightly off topic. 

[Leicesterpool]

49 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

As long as they're hired on merit I don't give a ****. 

 

Male, female, trans, hundred year old, sixteen year old, short, fat, gay, disabled, who cares if you can coach football? Just work your way up like they all should really, even the ex world class stars. Go manage a shit team and earn your stripes. 

 

Same applies to refs, refs assistants, pundits, commentators, officials, I don't care really. No problem with any of them being women as long as they're there on merit. 

 

What ****s me off at the moment with Sky, BT and the Beeb all the same is tokenism.

 

Premier League football on the telly, the pundits are all ex Premier league players, you won't find a non league journeyman or a football league journeyman there anywhere. Most of them were top level, won trophies, international caps at all. 

 

Watch a football league game, it'll all be football league ex players that were around for years, experienced promotions etc, watch non league on BT it'll be a few bigger names from non league football that played there and know that level. 

 

Watch SPL it'll all be Scots pundits that played hundreds of games in Scottish football. Major international tournaments, out come all the foreign World class stars that won multiple international caps. 

 

It's nothing to do with race, gender, religion, sexuality, they just pick players who've played at that relevant level. So what's with the obsession with token female pundits at the moment who have absolutely no idea what it means to play top level Premier league football? It's just cringe worthy. 

 

What relatable experience do they have to convey? I mean if you're going to just have journalists on the panel then no problem, I think it works well on the European football show or on the old Revista de la Liga. In which case, if they know football, I don't care what's between their legs. 

 

But if Chelsea are playing Tottenham, don't roll out Aluko, whack a graphic on the screen saying she scored thirty odd in seventy appearances for Chelsea and act like she's an expert on the inner workings of the Chelsea men's team like she's Lampard or Terry or something. 

 

 

... I may have gone slightly off topic. 

I can agree with some of that, I mean I'd rather somebody got the job because there best choice... rather than picking someone because of there race or sex. For me it would be interesting to see female manager work in the mens game but I wouldn't want to see Alex Scott who seems to have got a nice job on Sky now! getting a premier league manager job without any management experience at all. I'd rather see a candidate work there way up either in the lower leagues or within the coaching staff in that club. 

[The People's Hero]

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

As long as they're hired on merit I don't give a ****. 

 

Male, female, trans, hundred year old, sixteen year old, short, fat, gay, disabled, who cares if you can coach football? Just work your way up like they all should really, even the ex world class stars. Go manage a shit team and earn your stripes. 

 

Same applies to refs, refs assistants, pundits, commentators, officials, I don't care really. No problem with any of them being women as long as they're there on merit. 

 

What ****s me off at the moment with Sky, BT and the Beeb all the same is tokenism.

 

Premier League football on the telly, the pundits are all ex Premier league players, you won't find a non league journeyman or a football league journeyman there anywhere. Most of them were top level, won trophies, international caps at all. 

 

Watch a football league game, it'll all be football league ex players that were around for years, experienced promotions etc, watch non league on BT it'll be a few bigger names from non league football that played there and know that level. 

 

Watch SPL it'll all be Scots pundits that played hundreds of games in Scottish football. Major international tournaments, out come all the foreign World class stars that won multiple international caps. 

 

It's nothing to do with race, gender, religion, sexuality, they just pick players who've played at that relevant level. So what's with the obsession with token female pundits at the moment who have absolutely no idea what it means to play top level Premier league football? It's just cringe worthy. 

 

What relatable experience do they have to convey? I mean if you're going to just have journalists on the panel then no problem, I think it works well on the European football show or on the old Revista de la Liga. In which case, if they know football, I don't care what's between their legs. 

 

But if Chelsea are playing Tottenham, don't roll out Aluko, whack a graphic on the screen saying she scored thirty odd in seventy appearances for Chelsea and act like she's an expert on the inner workings of the Chelsea men's team like she's Lampard or Terry or something. 

 

 

... I may have gone slightly off topic. 

That is classic, unadulterated Finners 

[Finnegan]

Just now, The People's Hero said:

That is classic, unadulterated Finners 

 

I want that on my headstone under a collection of almost entirely unprovoked and unnecessary rants. 

[The People's Hero]

Just now, Finnegan said:

 

I want that on my headstone under a collection of almost entirely unprovoked and unnecessary rants. 

 

It’s the lack of provocation and willingness to change direction that I love. It’s as if mid typing a rant on one subject, your mind stops you and goes ‘oi, aren’t you pissed off about this other thing too? It must be tenuously linked somehow?’

 

Don’t go changing.

[Finnegan]

3 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

 

It’s the lack of provocation and willingness to change direction that I love. It’s as if mid typing a rant on one subject, your mind stops you and goes ‘oi, aren’t you pissed off about this other thing too? It must be tenuously linked somehow?’

 

Don’t go changing.

 

You should come and work in my office, its at least a twice a week occurrence. 

[The People's Hero]

Just now, Finnegan said:

 

You should come and work in my office, its at least a twice a week occurrence. 

I just quit the whole going to an office to work thing - but listening to you rant would have been preferable to most of what I had to listen to! 

 

I assume thats an open invitation though and I’d like to accept ! How exciting! I shall keep the date of my visit a secret to keep it all spontaneous and full of unplanned funnery. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

End of the day, the women's level will always be inferior to the men's level, so it's always going to be hard to make leaps for women. Claremont did it a few year ago and it didn't turn out too bad but didn't pull up any trees. Only way I see them managing at the top,top level is if some whacko feminist is trying to promote an agenda and puts some bird in for the marketability and PR that would come with it. Also if English managers are struggling to break into the premier league, with decent pedigrees at football league level, what chance does a woman have? If Emma Hayes was to get a job in the mens game, it'd probably be league two at best. End of the day, the premier league and tbf to the championship there's a lot riding on success financially and this is too big of a risk to gamble on something where their coaching experience doesn't have much value. The men and womens game are pretty much completely different sports too really, they're not played the same because of the inferiority biologically between men and women.

[ozleicester]

4 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

End of the day, the women's level will always be inferior to the men's level, so it's always going to be hard to make leaps for women. Claremont did it a few year ago and it didn't turn out too bad but didn't pull up any trees. Only way I see them managing at the top,top level is if some whacko feminist is trying to promote an agenda and puts some bird in for the marketability and PR that would come with it. Also if English managers are struggling to break into the premier league, with decent pedigrees at football league level, what chance does a woman have? If Emma Hayes was to get a job in the mens game, it'd probably be league two at best. End of the day, the premier league and tbf to the championship there's a lot riding on success financially and this is too big of a risk to gamble on something where their coaching experience doesn't have much value. The men and womens game are pretty much completely different sports too really, they're not played the same because of the inferiority biologically between men and women.

[Xen]

If they're good enough, then sure, why not?

 

Guaranteed they'll get abuse each match - from both sets of fans - unfortunately, but if they can handle it and show they're otherwise capable then they absolutely deserve it just as much as any other applicant - particularly the ex-pros with no managerial experience.

 

It'll change the dynamics of whatever club they go into, but after an early uncertain period things will settle and become normal and we'll wonder what all the fuss was about. It's not dissimilar to the debate about gay footballers - it'll take a big person to make the leap and be The First™ but once they do it'll normalise very quickly.

 

 

Just hope they don't do a Sol Campbell and start lamenting the fact that they're not being hired by the 'big boys' in the premier league. I imagine the majority of women involved in football are a damn sight more pragmatic than Sol and will be content with working their way up from the lower leagues.

[SheppyFox]

Is this a joke? Society isn’t even evolved enough to give black managers a fair chance. 

[Footballwipe]

18 hours ago, Finnegan said:

As long as they're hired on merit I don't give a ****. 

 

Male, female, trans, hundred year old, sixteen year old, short, fat, gay, disabled, who cares if you can coach football? Just work your way up like they all should really, even the ex world class stars. Go manage a shit team and earn your stripes. 

 

Same applies to refs, refs assistants, pundits, commentators, officials, I don't care really. No problem with any of them being women as long as they're there on merit. 

 

What ****s me off at the moment with Sky, BT and the Beeb all the same is tokenism.

 

Premier League football on the telly, the pundits are all ex Premier league players, you won't find a non league journeyman or a football league journeyman there anywhere. Most of them were top level, won trophies, international caps at all. 

 

Watch a football league game, it'll all be football league ex players that were around for years, experienced promotions etc, watch non league on BT it'll be a few bigger names from non league football that played there and know that level. 

 

Watch SPL it'll all be Scots pundits that played hundreds of games in Scottish football. Major international tournaments, out come all the foreign World class stars that won multiple international caps. 

 

It's nothing to do with race, gender, religion, sexuality, they just pick players who've played at that relevant level. So what's with the obsession with token female pundits at the moment who have absolutely no idea what it means to play top level Premier league football? It's just cringe worthy. 

 

What relatable experience do they have to convey? I mean if you're going to just have journalists on the panel then no problem, I think it works well on the European football show or on the old Revista de la Liga. In which case, if they know football, I don't care what's between their legs. 

 

But if Chelsea are playing Tottenham, don't roll out Aluko, whack a graphic on the screen saying she scored thirty odd in seventy appearances for Chelsea and act like she's an expert on the inner workings of the Chelsea men's team like she's Lampard or Terry or something. 

 

 

... I may have gone slightly off topic. 

I actually find the topic of female pundits a hard one to approach, mainly because there's no middle ground in it. You have the neanderthals who hate the sight of a woman offering an opinion on the game, or you get the over protective who drown the pundits in compliments and scream at anyone who says otherwise.

 

Great post, though, and encompasses all my feelings. There was a game where Alex Scott was a pundit, and she said something that was so generic, uninspiring and dull (in my opinion, anyway) but take a look at the sycophants on social media saying what a breath of fresh air it is. Surely they want and need to be held to the same standard?

 

Personally the whole pundit industry is not in a great state. There are very few decent ones, too many now go straight for the hot take for the social media controversy buzz and I don't feel like I've learnt anything. It's a piss easy job for a lot of them, let's be honest.

 

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, SheppyFox said:

Is this a joke? Society isn’t even evolved enough to give black managers a fair chance. 

For every John Barnes and Paul ince and Hasslebank

There are managers that seem to be doing ok, if they are good enough they get opportunities.

Powell 

Hughton 

Moore

Henry

Viera

 

I think it’s more to do with the numbers applying themselves than their race holding them back.

[SheppyFox]

4 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

For every John Barnes and Paul ince and Hasslebank

There are managers that seem to be doing ok, if they are good enough they get opportunities.

Powell 

Hughton 

Moore

Henry

Viera

 

I think it’s more to do with the numbers applying themselves than their race holding them back.

It is ofcourse a numbers game to an extent, it is a part of it. We also unfortunately don’t live in a world where merit and ability reigns supreme, but you are right without doubt about the numbers going for managerial roles.

[Finnegan]

55 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

I actually find the topic of female pundits a hard one to approach, mainly because there's no middle ground in it. You have the neanderthals who hate the sight of a woman offering an opinion on the game, or you get the over protective who drown the pundits in compliments and scream at anyone who says otherwise.

 

Great post, though, and encompasses all my feelings. There was a game where Alex Scott was a pundit, and she said something that was so generic, uninspiring and dull (in my opinion, anyway) but take a look at the sycophants on social media saying what a breath of fresh air it is. Surely they want and need to be held to the same standard?

 

Personally the whole pundit industry is not in a great state. There are very few decent ones, too many now go straight for the hot take for the social media controversy buzz and I don't feel like I've learnt anything. It's a piss easy job for a lot of them, let's be honest.

 

 

Yeah I mean, fwiw, I like having journos as pundits. The idea that you have to be a pro footballer to have a good opinion is a bit toss. It can be a nice insight to hear from people who played at the top level but it's no guarantee of an intelligent opinion. 

 

I'd much rather hear from Graham Hunter, Guillem Balague or James Horncastle than some absolute melt like Danny Mills or Michael Owen that can barely tie their laces in the morning let alone string an intelligent sentence together. They played Premier League football and still come out with completely stupid opinions, they don't speak gospel. 

 

There's no doubt millions of women on the planet with brilliant, insightful, intelligent opinions on football and I'd much rather hear their view at half time than Graeme ****ing Souness. 

 

It's just the tokenistic crap to pander to Twitter's "Liberal" trolls that annoy the piss out of me. Two premier league footballers on your panel for "Super Sunday" and one from the Women's Super League because its "THE SAME THING!" **** off, no it isn't. 

[Countryfox]

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Yeah I mean, fwiw, I like having journos as pundits. The idea that you have to be a pro footballer to have a good opinion is a bit toss. It can be a nice insight to hear from people who played at the top level but it's no guarantee of an intelligent opinion. 

 

I'd much rather hear from Graham Hunter, Guillem Balague or James Horncastle than some absolute melt like Danny Mills or Michael Owen that can barely tie their laces in the morning let alone string an intelligent sentence together. They played Premier League football and still come out with completely stupid opinions, they don't speak gospel. 

 

There's no doubt millions of women on the planet with brilliant, insightful, intelligent opinions on football and I'd much rather hear their view at half time than Graeme ****ing Souness. 

 

It's just the tokenistic crap to pander to Twitter's "Liberal" trolls that annoy the piss out of me. Two premier league footballers on your panel for "Super Sunday" and one from the Women's Super League because its "THE SAME THING!" **** off, no it isn't. 

 

You having a bad day ? ...   

[Finnegan]

3 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

You having a bad day ? ...   

 

16 hours ago, The People's Hero said:

That is classic, unadulterated Finners 

 

16 hours ago, The People's Hero said:

 

It’s the lack of provocation and willingness to change direction that I love. It’s as if mid typing a rant on one subject, your mind stops you and goes ‘oi, aren’t you pissed off about this other thing too? It must be tenuously linked somehow?’

 

Don’t go changing.

 

16 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

You should come and work in my office, its at least a twice a week occurrence. 

 

[Countryfox]

8 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

 

 

 

 

Ah ...   a normal day then ...