The Horse's Mouth Posted 25 April 2019 Share Posted 25 April 2019 (edited) jesus christ , I don't think Farage will have much trouble taking his UKIP base back Edited 25 April 2019 by The Horse's Mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 25 April 2019 Share Posted 25 April 2019 23 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said: jesus christ , I don't think Farage will have much trouble taking his UKIP base back See, this is where I don't get the non-violent resistance stance. Can anyone really say he doesn't need a kicking? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 25 April 2019 Share Posted 25 April 2019 Tommy Robinson announces plans to stand as MEP https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/25/tommy-robinson-stand-mep-manchester-event-community-leaders-condemn-anti-islam-activist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 25 April 2019 Share Posted 25 April 2019 14 minutes ago, Buce said: Tommy Robinson announces plans to stand as MEP https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/25/tommy-robinson-stand-mep-manchester-event-community-leaders-condemn-anti-islam-activist Good grief - it’s like it’s the 70’s again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 25 April 2019 Share Posted 25 April 2019 1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said: Good grief - it’s like it’s the 70’s again. And they should be driven off the streets as they were then. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 25 April 2019 Share Posted 25 April 2019 46 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said: jesus christ , I don't think Farage will have much trouble taking his UKIP base back That sort of talk is simply an embarrassment to humanity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 25 April 2019 Share Posted 25 April 2019 when I read that story about Robin Popley I thought "wasn't someone on foxestalk with that username". Didn't think it'd actually be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 25 April 2019 Share Posted 25 April 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Buce said: Tory candidates suspended over racist and inflammatory posts Candidates were among 40 new self-professed Tory members who shared or ‘liked’ racist or Islamophobic Facebook posts ... Robin Popley, 28, who is standing for the Conservatives in Leicestershire as a candidate in the Charnwood borough and Shepshed town council elections for Shepshed East, has endorsed Facebook posts suggesting Sajid Javid was appointed home secretary to secure “the ethnic vote” and criticising Prince Harry for having a relationship with “a divorcee of mixed race”. Popely “liked” a post that read: “I had a lot of time for Harry however his choice is way off. A divorcee of mixed race ‘actress’ who has shown her ass on HBO does not fill the bill to be royal imo [in my opinion]. This just makes a mockery of everything the Royal Family and Traditionalists stand for.” He “loved” another post made criticising the appointment of Javid which read: “It’s an appointment aimed at securing the ethnic vote. Purely cynical tactic from May. It should be on merit, not skin colour.” He also posted last year praising Enoch Powell on the 20th anniversary of his death. Popley did not respond to a request for comment. It is understood he has been suspended from the party. To be fair, the article starts by claiming that criticism of Islam - a religion - is racist. Pretty sure you can't be racist towards a religion, no? I'm also not sure you can call the Qur'an a pure source of peace. It should be read within its historical context and its modern interpretations by fanatics ought to be challenged. Anyone please find me nutters who claim the Bible has inspired them to go on a killing spree... As for Prince Harry's relationship with Meghan Markle, surely Robin will know his history and be able to name the amount of "foreign" dames that went on to marry into the Royal Family in the past, no? On one hand, it's nothing new - on the other, being "traditionalist" comes across as a bit of a mockery when put into context. And from what I've read about Sajid Javid, he comes with some track record on the Conservative side and has been critical of Muslims before. I think here Robin is being extremely populist, if not racist. Javid has worked his way up over the years and has received high praise for his competence and leadership skills, and if that's not a sign of merit, then what is it? Edited 26 April 2019 by MC Prussian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 25 April 2019 Share Posted 25 April 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said: jesus christ , I don't think Farage will have much trouble taking his UKIP base back Buzzfeed. The source of all that is... news? Really? Can't you go any lower? They are the worst of the worst when it comes to trustworthyness - their leftist bias evident to all: https://www.businessinsider.com/most-and-least-trusted-news-outlets-in-america-2017-3?r=US&IR=T You can make a scandal out of anything by the use of deliberate editing techniques, here are some of Benjamin's statements in context: Edited 25 April 2019 by MC Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 25 April 2019 Share Posted 25 April 2019 I think you can put all of his use of slurs in that video down to hunting precious edge points. Definitely not behaviour befitting a wannabe politician, it's the sort of humour most people grow out of before they leave school, but context is always important and as I mentioned in another thread he's the sort of person who thrives on being taken out of context because it makes it all too easy to convince his followers of a media conspiracy. He's a smart man and he'll only throw a controversial slur out if he can fall back on it being in the context of making an otherwise valid point (ie. screw the alt-right, down with identity politics etc.). What would be better is if somebody fact checked his many erroneous comments about how the EU operates, or edited together all the times he's made comments that clearly indicate a belief in different functional capacities between white people and black people, or his 'woke' takes on Islam. He doesn't use slurs then. This is how he operates: Draw people in with his edginess and meme culture then *bam* hit them with the outdated and/or plainly incorrect views presented with a verbosity that lends them an air of authority and gets people nodding along. Take the following video, "look at this funny old man who I totally don't agree with at all, let's laugh at his funny sexist outbursts which are in no way my opinions... but he's not technically wrong": This is the sort of content you should be focusing on and disproving if you want to discredit the demagogues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 9 hours ago, Buce said: Tommy Robinson announces plans to stand as MEP https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/25/tommy-robinson-stand-mep-manchester-event-community-leaders-condemn-anti-islam-activist Historically judging the results he'll need around 8% of the vote to be elected. Will be interesting, I keep being told he has huge support amongst the working class - we'll now find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 This is just a hilarious and spectacular U-Turn, Lord Adonis, who has unashamedly spent the last two years openly saying he'll do anything to block Brexit, now backs Labour's soft Brexit plan. Coincidently it happens right at the same time he's put on top of Labour's list of candidates for the leave voting South West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 21 hours ago, LiberalFox said: Change UK have the problem of not actually standing for anything. I hope they get 0 MEPs and fail as a party. Lib Dem’s are showing them the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 4 hours ago, MattP said: Historically judging the results he'll need around 8% of the vote to be elected. Will be interesting, I keep being told he has huge support amongst the working class - we'll now find out. Will be interesting to see whether UKIP terminate his role as a party adviser.....standing in an election against the party you're advising would normally lead to that. I'm guessing not - and that he may be standing with the approval of the UKIP leadership? Maybe they think he can attract voters that a standard UKIP bod wouldn't, but that having him as an official candidate would alienate voters elsewhere? Interesting that he's standing in the NW, too. He's from Luton and audibly a southerner (or "Cockney" as northerners would see it) - not usually a recommendation for candidacy in the North! There are more MEPs for the SE so he'd have needed a lower vote % there....but maybe a different sort of potential UKIP voter in the SE: crusty old Home Counties Tory reactionaries, whereas there was a big BNP vote in parts of Lancs a few years back & maybe more working-class Brexiteer types? Sadly, I'd say his chances of getting 8%+ might be quite high... 4 hours ago, MattP said: This is just a hilarious and spectacular U-Turn, Lord Adonis, who has unashamedly spent the last two years openly saying he'll do anything to block Brexit, now backs Labour's soft Brexit plan. Coincidently it happens right at the same time he's put on top of Labour's list of candidates for the leave voting South West. That is hilarious, even though I largely support the Labour strategy. He used to be so unequivocal about a "People's Vote" and is now so on-message with the party line! Reading that, I have visions of Comrade Adonis being dragged to a sealed room by several burly Stalinistas/Corbynistas led by Seumas Milne to sign his statement with broken knuckles and shattered hands! The prices we have to pay to gain a position of influence.... Btw. I'm impressed with your coherence in posts made at about 4-5am. Clearly an insomniac or up early for work, not a late night reveller......my 2am posts were often best ignored back in my boozing days. Off line for a couple of days now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 1 hour ago, Alf Bentley said: Will be interesting to see whether UKIP terminate his role as a party adviser.....standing in an election against the party you're advising would normally lead to that. I'm guessing not - and that he may be standing with the approval of the UKIP leadership? Maybe they think he can attract voters that a standard UKIP bod wouldn't, but that having him as an official candidate would alienate voters elsewhere? Interesting that he's standing in the NW, too. He's from Luton and audibly a southerner (or "Cockney" as northerners would see it) - not usually a recommendation for candidacy in the North! There are more MEPs for the SE so he'd have needed a lower vote % there....but maybe a different sort of potential UKIP voter in the SE: crusty old Home Counties Tory reactionaries, whereas there was a big BNP vote in parts of Lancs a few years back & maybe more working-class Brexiteer types? Sadly, I'd say his chances of getting 8%+ might be quite high... That is hilarious, even though I largely support the Labour strategy. He used to be so unequivocal about a "People's Vote" and is now so on-message with the party line! Reading that, I have visions of Comrade Adonis being dragged to a sealed room by several burly Stalinistas/Corbynistas led by Seumas Milne to sign his statement with broken knuckles and shattered hands! The prices we have to pay to gain a position of influence.... Btw. I'm impressed with your coherence in posts made at about 4-5am. Clearly an insomniac or up early for work, not a late night reveller......my 2am posts were often best ignored back in my boozing days. Off line for a couple of days now. Thanks, although I confess I wasn't drunk and was awake as I'd fallen asleep very early. I would have assumed he would just as stood for UKIP - in comparison to the other candidate Carl Benjamin Tommy Robinson looks like a moderate. I'm not sure how they haven't managed to hold this vote on whether he should be allowed to be a member by now. I agree though - 8% should be very achievable for him and I expect him to be elected. Regarding Adonis, I don't know really know how somebody can be so desperate to be in the European parliament they would do this to themselves - clearly more scared of Seumas Milne than he is of Brexit! This tweet hasn't aged well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 Handshakes could be banned under new workplace rules to avoid sexual harassment claims A recent survey of 2,000 adults showed three out of four people wanted a complete ban on physical contact on the job. S ByZahra MulroyAmardeep Bassey 11:19, 26 APR 2019 Employers may ban handshakes in the workplace as a way to make sure there is no kind of inappropriate touching between co-workers. Kate Palmer, an associate director of advisory at human resources consultancy Peninsula, said employers may ban all forms of physical contact to avoid confusion about what kind of touch is appropriate. It comes off the back of the #MeToo movement, with bosses rethinking their policies and heading to a more "black and white" stance. Speaking to the Metro she said: "Some employers may put a complete ban on physical contact. "Whether that’s going too far or not is a question I would pose, because it’s contextual. Does shaking someone's hand go too far? "They may just say 'no contact at all' because there's no grey area." The move is not without traction According to a recent survey of 2,000 adults on Totaljobs, three out of four were keen for a complete physical contact ban when at work. Kate pointed out that gestures such as putting your hand on someone's back or giving a comforting hug could all fall under the umbrella of being "too personal" and workers should be "mindful" of doing that sort of thing. She also added that you're still "probably" safe to shake hands unless your employer bans it, in which case you must follow the rules. It's not just how you comport yourself in the office which matters either. Kate warned: "The workplace does extend outside the office. The classic example is the Christmas night out. We get a lot of queries about how to control staff behaviour at events." https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/handshakes-could-banned-under-new-2799713 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 23 minutes ago, davieG said: Handshakes could be banned under new workplace rules to avoid sexual harassment claims A recent survey of 2,000 adults showed three out of four people wanted a complete ban on physical contact on the job. S ByZahra MulroyAmardeep Bassey 11:19, 26 APR 2019 Employers may ban handshakes in the workplace as a way to make sure there is no kind of inappropriate touching between co-workers. Kate Palmer, an associate director of advisory at human resources consultancy Peninsula, said employers may ban all forms of physical contact to avoid confusion about what kind of touch is appropriate. It comes off the back of the #MeToo movement, with bosses rethinking their policies and heading to a more "black and white" stance. Speaking to the Metro she said: "Some employers may put a complete ban on physical contact. "Whether that’s going too far or not is a question I would pose, because it’s contextual. Does shaking someone's hand go too far? "They may just say 'no contact at all' because there's no grey area." The move is not without traction According to a recent survey of 2,000 adults on Totaljobs, three out of four were keen for a complete physical contact ban when at work. Kate pointed out that gestures such as putting your hand on someone's back or giving a comforting hug could all fall under the umbrella of being "too personal" and workers should be "mindful" of doing that sort of thing. She also added that you're still "probably" safe to shake hands unless your employer bans it, in which case you must follow the rules. It's not just how you comport yourself in the office which matters either. Kate warned: "The workplace does extend outside the office. The classic example is the Christmas night out. We get a lot of queries about how to control staff behaviour at events." https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/handshakes-could-banned-under-new-2799713 I’m not a fan of handshakes but banning them would be ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 14 minutes ago, Strokes said: I’m not a fan of handshakes but banning them would be ludicrous. When you consider how many people don't wash their hands after visiting the toilet... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130006 It's like the first half of the 20th century didn't happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, leicsmac said: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130006 It's like the first half of the 20th century didn't happen. You mean as in Nazis and Bolsheviks alike competing for the title of Greatest Mongoloid? Also, judging by the sheer percentages, Switzerland must be a totally rotten and evil place to live in... Funny the BBC don't go into further detail as to the situation over here. I wonder why - could it be that it doesn't fit their narrative? On a more serious note, I wouldn't freak out yet. History of politics shows you that it's usually but a matter of swings and roundabouts. You get parties on the left dominating the political landscape for a while, before the more conservative voices fight back, before the left dominating again, and so on and so forth... The Left have left many a European country in a bit of a mess in recent years, so this is but a pushback. Sweden, for instance, has a big problem with immigrants creating their own suburbs, importing their values, failing to integrate, intimidating even the local police - plenty of videos online available. Been to Paris lately? Tug of war in many areas, Saint-Denis in particular. Asylum seekers in Calais - I've been there. Strasbourg last year, Nice before that. Remember Molenbeek in Belgium? The 2015/2016 New Year's attacks by young male Muslims on women in Cologne, Hamburg and other major German cities? There needs to be a serious discussion surrounding immigration and integration, and to a lot of these countries' populations, the right seemingly lends the one and only ear for their sorrows and concerns. The Left has distanced itself that much from its original voting base, it's horrendous. Over here, we call them Aperitif Socialists, more interested in indulging themselves in pointless meetings, self-adulation and clinging onto office. And the Left needs a serious re-examination of its core values and its positioning and policies. These days, it's all about blaming the Right, when they ought to dig deeper into their own collective psyche and re-build from within. Virtue signaling, pandering to minorities in order to secure votes and outrage culture only get you that far, at some point, even the most ardent Left lover finds out that there's not much left behind the facade. It remains to be seen whether the extremists will take over the discussion or not. As long as there are checks and balances, I'm not overly concerned. More than anything, this is but media hype in order to sell content and to create an atmosphere of hate towards everything that is right of the left. I find that worrysome. The debate needs to be had, and that is not achieved by censorship and/or one-sided media portrayals. Edited 26 April 2019 by MC Prussian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 51 minutes ago, leicsmac said: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130006 It's like the first half of the 20th century didn't happen. Yep - you would thought the idea of a united Europe with less nationhood and democracy for individual states wouldn't be tried again for some time would you? Let alone forced austerity from a central banking system. Amazing that politicians never learn, the result of such things is always the same, a significant proportion of the populations won't like it and fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Buce said: When you consider how many people don't wash their hands after visiting the toilet... Yeah it’s gross, I once shook someone’s hand, my hands were orange after and smelt like cheese crisps. ? Edited 26 April 2019 by Strokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 Completely mental. This bloke could soon be the most influential man in British politics. You would have been thrown out of the Labour party for this a few years ago, not advising the leader of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 1 minute ago, MattP said: Completely mental. This bloke could soon be the most influential man in British politics. You would have been thrown out of the Labour party for this a few years ago, not advising the leader of it. I wouldn't be quite so quick to discount it - Israel has always been very pragmatic in matters of security. Who'd have thought we'd see collusion between Israel and Saudi Arabia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 26 April 2019 Share Posted 26 April 2019 2 hours ago, davieG said: Handshakes could be banned under new workplace rules to avoid sexual harassment claims A recent survey of 2,000 adults showed three out of four people wanted a complete ban on physical contact on the job. [article] https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/handshakes-could-banned-under-new-2799713 Mental. I can understand people saying that a hug's inappropriate behaviour but a handshake? It's how people have been greeting each other for centuries plus it's a great way of learning about a person before a word's been said: If they give you a vice-like death grip they're probably a bit of a cvnt and you can use this info to proceed accordingly. 5 minutes ago, Strokes said: Yeah it’s gross, I once shook someone’s hand, my hands were orange after and smelt like cheese crisps. ? You never told us you met the POTUS, what was it like? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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