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[Carl the Llama]

Honestly don't have a problem with milkshaking a guy, it's ultimately harmless (unless Farage is lactose intolerant?), though I do feel that in the interest of fairness they should make sure that both parties are equipped with a milkshake before hostilities commence otherwise one side has a significant technological advantage.

 

That said I do get the voices saying any altercation is an altercation too far but let's show a bit more respect and stop pretending it's in remotely the same ballpark as murder.

[shailen_patel4]

If you don’t like someone’s political opinions just keep it to yourself or talk to them about it, don’t get where throwing stuff gets you.

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Honestly don't have a problem with milkshaking a guy, it's ultimately harmless (unless Farage is lactose intolerant?), though I do feel that in the interest of fairness they should make sure that both parties are equipped with a milkshake before hostilities commence otherwise one side has a significant technological advantage.

 

That said I do get the voices saying any altercation is an altercation too far but let's show a bit more respect and stop pretending it's in remotely the same ballpark as murder.

I don't understand how any intelligent person can be OK with assaulting someone because of a political view. It's not harmless at all to cover somebody in milkshake. 

 

You surely realise what will happen if the law stated it was fine to throw milkshakes at politicians - they wouldn't go out to campaign.

[Jimothy]

22 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

And Carl Benjamin's been hit by a milkshake for the fourth time already.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/carl-benjamin-milkshake-salisbury-ukip-a8920846.html

 

Agree to disagree with people and their views, but assault? Utter nonsense. Media-fueled mob mentality. Just... 

What's next? Eggs? Rocks? Bottles? A knife to the heart?

Already happened.

[Carl the Llama]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

I don't understand how any intelligent person can be OK with assaulting someone because of a political view. It's not harmless at all to cover somebody in milkshake. 

 

You surely realise what will happen if the law stated it was fine to throw milkshakes at politicians - they wouldn't go out to campaign.

Or their campaigns would improve significantly for one reason or another.    

[shailen_patel4]

Just now, Carl the Llama said:

Or their campaigns would improve significantly for one reason or another.    

Everyone has their own opinions on things you don’t deserve things chucked at you for that

[MC Prussian]

10 minutes ago, shailen_patel4 said:

If you don’t like someone’s political opinions just keep it to yourself or talk to them about it, don’t get where throwing stuff gets you.

If at all, it helps the attacked able to play the victim card if need be.

 

Encourage debate, don't hate. Don't harrass, don't bully, don't attack people physically. That's just low.

 

In any case, these milkshake-throwing idiots aren't doing themselves or society any favours. Shows they can't handle a debate, not interested in an exchange of ideas.

I mean, Benjamin for instance stands in Plymouth for approx four hours to talk to/debate anyone interested, and remains calm and collected throughout.

[shailen_patel4]

1 minute ago, MC Prussian said:

If at all, it helps the attacked able to play the victim card if need be.

 

Encourage debate, don't hate. Don't harrass, don't bully, don't attack people physically. That's just low.

 

In any case, these milkshake-throwing idiots aren't doing themselves or society any favours. Shows they can't handle a debate, not interested in an exchange of ideas.

I mean, Benjamin for instance stands in Plymouth for approx four hours to talk to/debate anyone interested, and remains calm and collected throughout.

That’s what I’m saying 

[MC Prussian]

12 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Already happened.

Yes, terrible. Shot first, then stabbed.  Utterly meaningless a loss of a valuable life.

Guy who did it is a nutter with a deeply-rooted interest in Nazi ideology. A loner with a very twisted world view. Life in prison serves him well.

[Carl the Llama]

25 minutes ago, shailen_patel4 said:

Everyone has their own opinions on things you don’t deserve things chucked at you for that

22 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

If at all, it helps the attacked able to play the victim card if need be.

 

Encourage debate, don't hate. Don't harrass, don't bully, don't attack people physically. That's just low.

 

In any case, these milkshake-throwing idiots aren't doing themselves or society any favours. Shows they can't handle a debate, not interested in an exchange of ideas.

I mean, Benjamin for instance stands in Plymouth for approx four hours to talk to/debate anyone interested, and remains calm and collected throughout.

Respectfully I don't think the milkshake was thrown as a protest against anyone's opinions or out of some inability to handle being 'destroyed' in a debate, I imagine the bloke was thinking more about rebuking Farage for his deeds.  Not questioning the legality of it but I really don't understand why some are making out like this harmless act of defiance is the end of the world.

 

Carl Benjamin is a practitioner of coded hate speech who always confronts the lowest hanging fruit for easy victories.  Just the other day he posted a video from one of his events where he got an old lady up on the microphone to reminisce about the good old days before the wrong foreigners were allowed in the country "to destroy the British people" (about 2:00 in) while he stands by nodding in approval:

 

[yorkie1999]

52 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Honestly don't have a problem with milkshaking a guy, it's ultimately harmless (unless Farage is lactose intolerant?), though I do feel that in the interest of fairness they should make sure that both parties are equipped with a milkshake before hostilities commence otherwise one side has a significant technological advantage.

 

That said I do get the voices saying any altercation is an altercation too far but let's show a bit more respect and stop pretending it's in remotely the same ballpark as murder.

Unless you choke..

[Carl the Llama]

2 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Unless you choke..

Sorry I didn't realise we were ramming the cup down his throat.

[Mark_w]

1 hour ago, shailen_patel4 said:

If you don’t like someone’s political opinions just keep it to yourself or talk to them about it...

Or if they're a fascist, at the very least, throw a milkshake at them.

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, Mark_w said:

Or if they're a fascist, at the very least, throw a milkshake at them.

But he's not actually a fascist is he? He wants a small a state as possible.

 

How has that word took on such a different meaning now, very weird.

[Buce]

Just now, MattP said:

But he's not actually a fascist is he? He wants a small a state as possible.

 

How has that word took on such a different meaning now, very weird.

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Seems fairly obvious to me.

 

The Fascist governments of wartime Germany and Italy were both characterised by Nationalistic, race-identity politics, just like people like Farage and Robinson are. In most people's eyes, Fascism has become synonymous with racism. Ipso facto, Farage is regarded as a fascist.

[Guest Kopfkino]

3 minutes ago, MattP said:

But he's not actually a fascist is he? He wants a small a state as possible.

 

How has that word took on such a different meaning now, very weird.

 

Cos calling someone you don't like something bad is easier than actually engaging.

 

Or getting an education. 

[purpleronnie]

I'd imagine Farage has just gained a few more points in the polls.

 

Seems possible that after the rise of UKIP forcing Cameron's hand to have a referendum that now Farage's new party will force the hand of the tories to put in place a hardliner brexitier and increase the chance of a no deal Brexit..The power that Farage has to change tory policy and actions whilst not actually being a tory is quite extraordinary.

 

[Mark_w]

30 minutes ago, MattP said:

But he's not actually a fascist is he? He wants a small a state as possible.

 

How has that word took on such a different meaning now, very weird.

Does he want as small a state as possible though?

He's an ardent supporter of the nation state, who seems to have very begrudgingly back tracked over devolution within the UK (most likely because it's popular enough in Scotland and Wales to be too risky to oppose whilst simultaneously looking to Wales/Scottish voters for support on his opposition to the EU). Though I can't say I've followed that closely, happy to be corrected.

I do concede that I should have just called him a far-right twat, rather than necessarily a fascist, though, apologies.

 

[Legend_in_blue]

1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said:

Honestly don't have a problem with milkshaking a guy, it's ultimately harmless (unless Farage is lactose intolerant?), though I do feel that in the interest of fairness they should make sure that both parties are equipped with a milkshake before hostilities commence otherwise one side has a significant technological advantage.

 

That said I do get the voices saying any altercation is an altercation too far but let's show a bit more respect and stop pretending it's in remotely the same ballpark as murder.

 

I have no problem with the guy throwing milkshake either.  I laughed.  Should I have laughed?  Yes, it was funny, Farage got what he deserved.  If he incites people, there will be a minority of the public who will typically react in this way.

 

This morning we had Rees-Mogg on the radio spouting manifesto betrayals and yet her Brexit Party don't even have one!  Then this afternoon I receive the Brexit flyer through the post shoving big red numbers at me quoting sources from The Sun and the BBC. 

 

So yes, I just laugh at him because the guy is a windup merchant.  A charismatic one at that but still a wind up merchant all the same.

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

Does he want as small a state as possible though?

He's an ardent supporter of the nation state, who seems to have very begrudgingly back tracked over devolution within the UK (most likely because it's popular enough in Scotland and Wales to be too risky to oppose whilst simultaneously looking to Wales/Scottish voters for support on his opposition to the EU). Though I can't say I've followed that closely, happy to be corrected.

I do concede that I should have just called him a far-right twat, rather than necessarily a fascist, though, apologies.

If Farage is far right? What is Nick Griffin? It's just extremely silly.

 

He answered he does to Marr and I have no reason to believe that's changed, I don't think being anti-devolution or pro makes much difference on this subject. 

 

Though speaking of Wales - he doesn't have any issues there if this is true. 

 

 

[Mark_w]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

If Farage is far right? What is Nick Griffin? It's just extremely silly.

  

Also far right...

[bovril]

Farage is not a fascist. He has used extremist language and ideas, although he's far from the only one. 

[Guest MattP]

19 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

I'd imagine Farage has just gained a few more points in the polls.

 

Seems possible that after the rise of UKIP forcing Cameron's hand to have a referendum that now Farage's new party will force the hand of the tories to put in place a hardliner brexitier and increase the chance of a no deal Brexit..The power that Farage has to change tory policy and actions whilst not actually being a tory is quite extraordinary.

No idea what it will do for the polls, I doubt it has too much impact, does make it more likely his supporters will go out and make sure they vote for him though.

 

It was the tipping point for me to register and give him my 25 quid.

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

Also far right...

So why is a far-right leader allowing such a diverse list of candidates for his party?

[Dr The Singh]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

So why is a far-right leader allowing such a diverse list of candidates for his party?

Because he is clever?