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[Beliall]

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you couldn't make it up

[Legend_in_blue]

Leadsom gone.

 

Just clear off now May and take your arrogance with you.

 

B******s to Brexit.  

[bovril]

Leadsom was born in the 60s. Just let that sink in for a moment.

[Jimothy]

3 minutes ago, bovril said:

Leadsom was born in the 60s. Just let that sink in for a moment.

1860's?

[Buce]

17 minutes ago, bovril said:

Leadsom was born in the 60s. Just let that sink in for a moment.

 

I'm not sure of your point here, Bovvers.

 

Or have you become a gerontophile?

[bovril]

Just now, Buce said:

 

I'm not sure of your point here, Bovvers.

 

Or have you become a gerontophile?

Don't bring Bentley and his Mourdant love in to the thread again. I'm always amazed she's so young, seems like she should be born in the 40's at least. 

[Tuna]

 

[Dr The Singh]

2 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Leadsom gone.

 

Just clear off now May and take your arrogance with you.

 

B******s to Brexit.  

Why do all the fit birds have to leave

[Dr The Singh]

This i mays plan, create a false sense of providing Brexit, fook it up, somit means there is no Brexit.

 

I said this months ago and it stands true 

 

 

[Alf Bentley]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

Don't bring Bentley and his Mourdant love in to the thread again. I'm always amazed she's so young, seems like she should be born in the 40's at least. 

 

Mordaunt love, modern love, maudlin, morbid, even merde alors, but not Mourdant....

 

I was similarly stunned when I discovered Leadsom's age a while back - not least the realisation that she was younger than me - and that Graham Brady is younger than my little brother.

[Dr The Singh]

1 minute ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Mordaunt love, modern love, maudlin, morbid, even merde alors, but not Mourdant....

 

I was similarly stunned when I discovered Leadsom's age a while back - not least the realisation that she was younger than me - and that Graham Brady is younger than my little brother.

I know you would shag both and both togethrt

[Guest MattP]

Can't wait for the next Leadsom for leader march. What a woman.

 

Roll on tomorrow and I can't wait for Sunday. Brexit Party also now as short as 8/15 to win the Peterborough by-election. 

 

I'm almost at the point of wanting Brexit reversed, 32-33% in a GE just might be enough to make Farage the PM on the current calculation and if that happens it's well within reach. 

[Guest Kopfkino]

6 minutes ago, MattP said:

I'm almost at the point of wanting Brexit reversed, 32-33% in a GE just might be enough to make Farage the PM on the current calculation and if that happens it's well within reach. 

 

I just don't get it. Why the clamour for Farage and why the clamour for a disastrous Brexit?

[urban.spaceman]

4 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

 

I just don't get it. Why the clamour for Farage and why the clamour for a disastrous Brexit?

[Guest MattP]

7 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

I just don't get it. Why the clamour for Farage and why the clamour for a disastrous Brexit?

Well the clamour isn't just for Farage, it's about a change that is now completely needed that goes far beyond Brexit, the two main parties need destroying, as does the electoral system we vote under, we need an end to safe seat politicians who climb the greasy pole to represent them. 

 

If a parliament can't implement the decisions it has delegated to its people it has become completely unfit for purpose. As for a "disastrous Brexit" - that's pure speculation - no different to the garbage we were fed about the consequences of voting to leave.

 

This government and opposition has been a total shambles for nearly three years and nothing has really changed - the country is fine and probably still will be. We now know the EU gives extension after extension if we have a chance of leaving with No Deal - I'm just not scared of anything anymore.

[urban.spaceman]

 

[Guest Kopfkino]

10 minutes ago, MattP said:

Well the clamour isn't just for Farage, it's about a change that is now completely needed that goes far beyond Brexit, the two main parties need destroying, as does the electoral system we vote under, we need an end to safe seat politicians who climb the greasy pole to represent them. 

 

If a parliament can't implement the decisions it has delegated to its people it has become completely unfit for purpose. As for a "disastrous Brexit" - that's pure speculation - no different to the garbage we were fed about the consequences of voting to leave.

 

This government and opposition has been a total shambles for nearly three years and nothing has really changed - the country is fine and probably still will be. We now know the EU gives extension after extension if we have a chance of leaving with No Deal - I'm just not scared of anything anymore.

Do you ever think it sounds a bit sixth form Corbynesque politics? I listened to Farage yesterday and the message, as partly echoed by you, is we need to smash up all the political institutions to make everything rosy. It just sounds all a bit school boy ridiculous. The thing is also PM Farage with 32% of the vote isn't going to be rushing to change the electoral system because all of a sudden PR favours liberal, anti-brexit (then becoming pro EU accession) parties and Farage isn't holding on to power come the next election. I agree there needs to be change, but not Farage's change.

 

But the reason that parliament can't implement the decision of the people is because Brexiteers blocked it. We'd be out of the EU now but for 28 Brexiteers. It would be a strange thing to want to smash up all the institutions because your own side (and the people that would end up as BP MPs having defected) has stopped the people's instruction being implemented.

 

It's not really the same as the warnings in 2016 though is it? Because one was 'speculation' about what might happen as a reaction to an instruction that produced no immediate tangible change and what future change was to come was expected to be minimal and sensible, thus making it ludicrous to think things might implode immediately. This one is 'speculation' about what happens in the event of a very tangible sudden increase in the barriers to the overwhelming majority of the UK's trade along with a complete, almost overnight, severing of the mechanisms for the functioning of a deep and intricate supply chain (that encompasses every aspect of everyday life) that has been nurtured over 40+ years. Moreover, this is not an end point and merely leaves the UK facing exactly the same dilemmas but in an even weaker position. There is not any moral justification for leaving without a deal. 

 

The country isn't fine though. Be it Brexit related stuff like a lack of business investment or tough trading conditions or non-Brexit related stuff like violent crime, a social care crisis, criminal gangs, housing, and 'left-behind areas', the country is hardly fine. And you're happy to extend the malaise that with a dozy Brexit policy and smashing up the institutions. 

 

I just can't countenance it. A sensible Brexit that was less divisive, not unnecessarily corrosive was there to be had for anyone that isn't a fan of the EU (me included). A Brexit that reflects the nature of the modern world but returned sovereignty back to the UK. I've no idea how we ended up at this point.

 

That all said, the polls favour Farage because we're at a European election when people feel they can vote for anyone and that inflates GE polls. At an actual GE the choice will again be between a Labour government that ends up cancelling Brexit or a Conservative government led by someone else that might be able to eventually manage it.

[WigstonWanderer]

A great deal is being made of of polls indicating that Farage’s Brexit party are likely to come first in this election. To me his vote represents the hard core, no deal Brexit types, and at just over a third of the electorate that seems about right from what I can gather. However the actual number of seats to be won in this election is virtually irrelevant, not least because of the whole issue of Brexit hanging over the process.

 

Far more relevant is what can be assessed from the election results overall in terms of the total share of the vote for leave/remain parties. If the polls are anything to go by, this appears to give a significant majority in favour of a soft or no Brexit. It also shows a clear majority voting for parties supporting a second referendum.

 

A no deal Brexit would truly be the tail wagging the dog - to destruction.

 

[Jimothy]

Are we all off today to elect our unelected officials? ?

[Buce]

 

5 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Are we all off today to elect our unelected officials? ?

 

You mean like the one who has taken his money but rarely his seat for the last twenty-odd years?

[Nick]

1 hour ago, Buce said:

 

 

You mean like the one who has taken his money but rarely his seat for the last twenty-odd years?

 

I find it so odd that anybody could vote for him. As a protest vote or otherwise.

[Buce]

2 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

I find it so odd that anybody could vote for him. As a protest vote or otherwise.

 

Well, he has inherited the racist vote that previously went to the BNP/UKIP.

[Lionator]

8 hours ago, MattP said:

Well the clamour isn't just for Farage, it's about a change that is now completely needed that goes far beyond Brexit, the two main parties need destroying, as does the electoral system we vote under, we need an end to safe seat politicians who climb the greasy pole to represent them. 

 

If a parliament can't implement the decisions it has delegated to its people it has become completely unfit for purpose. As for a "disastrous Brexit" - that's pure speculation - no different to the garbage we were fed about the consequences of voting to leave.

 

This government and opposition has been a total shambles for nearly three years and nothing has really changed - the country is fine and probably still will be. We now know the EU gives extension after extension if we have a chance of leaving with No Deal - I'm just not scared of anything anymore.

Yes, a second referendum to change our voting system would be great!! Second referendum's in general sound great! 

[Lionator]

When Theresa May resigns, whoever takes her place will have exactly the same problems. They're not going to magically disappear.

 

As for Farage, his background team are clearly very slick however they're preying on those who can't analyse their arguments. Those who have been radicalised, those who can't see the dangers of electing people who have given zero information into how they're going to enact their main (only) policy. Those who think this country is still somehow a major global power. 

 

They're the ones who scream patriotism when they're the one's who hate what this country has become the most. 

[Alf Bentley]

1 hour ago, Facecloth said:

Are we all off today to elect our unelected officials? ?

 

Yep, electing our directly elected "unelected" European representatives.....possibly while our directly elected national representatives (Tory MPs) get rid of our main indirectly elected European representative (Theresa, our European Council rep). 

 

Stop control by Brussels!