Fan’s Groups Angered By Lack Of Consultation Prior To ‘Stealth’ Increase In Ticket Purchase Fees.

[CosbehFox]

32 minutes ago, gw_leics772 said:

You mean it didnt work out? Who'd have thunk it.

I just didn't see the relevance to the debate. 

 

Fan groups are there to protect the interest of supporters as opposed to any involvement on the playing side. 

 

The statement in part has achieved it's goal because there's a debate. Even those who believe the club to be write are likely to have asked the question to themselves how much more would I be willing to pay. 

[Guest Markyblue]

3 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

It's similar to how party political parties work and their leaders get appointed. Your decision/general election is accepting the fee to pay. The club consider the number of disgruntled customers from the fan groups and make their decision. It might not work on this occasion but they are now aware that there's a chance for opposition on a similar ticketing issue.  

 

You'll note the statement is worded to say the groups are unhappy as opposed to the fans. 

 

This issue might be one you think the fan groups are wrong but there will be others you may think they are right on. I understand the objections on a personal level. I don't understand why people are taking it as an opportunity to vilify fan groups. 

 

I am certainly not vilifying fans groups.  I think ufs do some very good work and also the trust. But that still dosnt mean i have to agree with everything they say.

[CosbehFox]

9 minutes ago, Markyblue said:

I am certainly not vilifying fans groups.  I think ufs do some very good work and also the trust. But that still dosnt mean i have to agree with everything they say.

You said the following Regardless of the rights/wrongs of this issue , i seem to be missing the moment when myself or many thousands of other city fans appointed any group to speak for us.

 

Of course you don't have to agree - I just feel you are attacking the groups rather than their argument. 

[Guest Markyblue]

3 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

You said the following Regardless of the rights/wrongs of this issue , i seem to be missing the moment when myself or many thousands of other city fans appointed any group to speak for us.

 

Of course you don't have to agree - I just feel you are attacking the groups rather than their argument. 

Which in itself means why i applaud some of what these groups do they dont speak for me.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

3 minutes ago, Markyblue said:

Which in itself means why i applaud some of what these groups do they dont speak for me.

Seeing as you ignored me the first time I'll ask again, where did the claim to speak on behalf of everyone?

 

"At this point The Foxes Trust and Union FS, along with other Fan’s Groups started to receive concerns from their Members".

[Jack1993]

I've taken real inspiration from this thread over the last few days. Last night me and a group of mates stormed our local to complain about the price of Heineken, the landlord wasn't there so we wrote him a letter explaining that we had serious concerns about the 20p increase and told him that we, the people that use his pub for endless enjoyment and take advantage of all the good things that the pub does should have been consulted! Before we left the Barman said look lads, I will pass the message on but what action are you going to take to let him know how much he has wronged you, will you protest outside or even stop using the pub altogether?  

 

I said "Oh absolutely no action at all mate, I'm going to continue ploughing money into this establishment until the day I die"

 

Heineken prices aren't coming back down. Gutted, we tried. 

[foxinsocks]

37 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Seeing as you ignored me the first time I'll ask again, where did the claim to speak on behalf of everyone?

 

"At this point The Foxes Trust and Union FS, along with other Fan’s Groups started to receive concerns from their Members".

Just out if interest. ... how many members diess each have.  I like much of what they say yet i am not a member of either.   How many messages if concern did they receive?

I accept increases in heinenken (i may move to stella) and i dont expect the club to consult...its a market... and their image to trash or not

[Sol thewall Bamba]

6 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

Just out if interest. ... how many members diess each have.  I like much of what they say yet i am not a member of either.   How many messages if concern did they receive?

I accept increases in heinenken (i may move to stella) and i dont expect the club to consult...its a market... and their image to trash or not

I don't know the numbers of those groups, and imo it's not relevant, the supporters group exist to represent their members to the club no matter their size. 

 

It's a shame this thread has degenerated into a cesspit of sarcastic comments and comparisons that don't hold water, but that's Foxestalk in a nutshell I guess. 

 

If people would like to tell the club how happy they are about the changes then they can easily attend the FCC meetings or the Your 90 minute sessions and do it directly. 

 

 

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, Jack1993 said:

I've taken real inspiration from this thread over the last few days. Last night me and a group of mates stormed our local to complain about the price of Heineken, the landlord wasn't there so we wrote him a letter explaining that we had serious concerns about the 20p increase and told him that we, the people that use his pub for endless enjoyment and take advantage of all the good things that the pub does should have been consulted! Before we left the Barman said look lads, I will pass the message on but what action are you going to take to let him know how much he has wronged you, will you protest outside or even stop using the pub altogether?  

 

I said "Oh absolutely no action at all mate, I'm going to continue ploughing money into this establishment until the day I die"

 

Heineken prices aren't coming back down. Gutted, we tried. 

Plenty of people can no longer afford to drink in pubs because of the price of pints. That's why so many are sadly closing down...

[Jack1993]

1 minute ago, Voll Blau said:

Plenty of people can no longer afford to drink in pubs because of the price of pints. That's why so many are sadly closing down...

No my local mate, it won the Premier League in 2016 and really looks after its patrons, some people still look for things to complain about but that's modern life. 

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, Jack1993 said:

No my local mate, it won the Premier League in 2016 and really looks after its patrons, some people still look for things to complain about but that's modern life. 

Oh right, so your pub's not actually a pub. It's just a bad analogy. Gotcha.

[Jack1993]

1 minute ago, Voll Blau said:

Oh right, so your pub's not actually a pub. It's just a bad analogy. Gotcha.

Oh my good God you've seen straight through me

 

[Guest MattP]

12 hours ago, gw_leics772 said:

They think this is ****ing nectar card fc and want swap their "points" for free tickets etc.

 

Me? I'd like a free car but it aint ****ing happening and i know I'd sound like a petulant child if i expected one, so i didnt mention it.

 

Or ebbsfleet where they get to pick the team, the pricing structure, and the transfers. 

 

We're all entitled to opinions, but just because we give ourselves a name and have a singsong together, we shouldn't think our opinions are anything more than just an opinion.

Not a single person has demanded anything free, why the need for such hyperbole? 

 

People are just (rightly imo) a bit annoyed at being charged fees to print their own tickets at home. That's a perfectly reasonable opinion to arrive at.

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Oh right, so your pub's not actually a pub. It's just a bad analogy. Gotcha.

It's the worst analogy I've heard unless only one pub in each City now owns the right to serve Heineken.

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Jack1993 said:

I've taken real inspiration from this thread over the last few days. Last night me and a group of mates stormed our local to complain about the price of Heineken, the landlord wasn't there so we wrote him a letter explaining that we had serious concerns about the 20p increase and told him that we, the people that use his pub for endless enjoyment and take advantage of all the good things that the pub does should have been consulted! Before we left the Barman said look lads, I will pass the message on but what action are you going to take to let him know how much he has wronged you, will you protest outside or even stop using the pub altogether?  

 

I said "Oh absolutely no action at all mate, I'm going to continue ploughing money into this establishment until the day I die"

 

Heineken prices aren't coming back down. Gutted, we tried. 

Good story. 

 

You've used a completely incomparable scenario as the cost of beer is directly influenced by tax and the actual likes of Heineken charging more at wholesale price. A pint of beer is an actual commodity. 

 

The £1 charge per ticket in the examples complained of here are for what? Again the statement by the fan groups is ultimately questioning this. Justify the reasoning for the cost. If it's fair reasoning, yeah sound charge it. 

 

The club are charging a pound a ticket for what? 

Someone putting the tickets in the post?

Or in some cases actually nothing as the person themselves is going to print off the ticket? 

All this happened last year and it didn't cost a £1 then. So what's changed. 

 

An actual analogy would be you pay for your pint but the barman says I am going to charge you an extra quid because you walked to the bar and ordered the pint. Equally if a waitress charged you a pound every time they come to your table at a starter, a main course and a dessert. 

[Devonfox1884]

I think it all boils down to the fact that ultimately, some people will be bothered and some people won’t.

 

If you’re not for whatever reason (like me) - good for you, no need to rip in to people for being more bothered, ultimately these people might save you a few quid somewhere down the line if it goes far enough.

 

If you are - fair play. It is a bit of a ‘stealth’ move and if you’re genuinely annoyed/frustrated at it then you have a right to vent this.

 

I don’t see the need for a mass debate over it - it’s all opinions.

[CosbehFox]

44 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

I accept increases in heinenken (i may move to stella) and i dont expect the club to consult...its a market... and their image to trash or not

But there's the argument. In football, you don't just swap to Coventry City. 

[Jack1993]

13 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Good story. 

 

You've used a completely incomparable scenario as the cost of beer is directly influenced by tax and the actual likes of Heineken charging more at wholesale price. A pint of beer is an actual commodity. 

 

The £1 charge per ticket in the examples complained of here are for what? Again the statement by the fan groups is ultimately questioning this. Justify the reasoning for the cost. If it's fair reasoning, yeah sound charge it. 

 

The club are charging a pound a ticket for what? 

Someone putting the tickets in the post?

Or in some cases actually nothing as the person themselves is going to print off the ticket? 

All this happened last year and it didn't cost a £1 then. So what's changed. 

 

An actual analogy would be you pay for your pint but the barman says I am going to charge you an extra quid because you walked to the bar and ordered the pint. Equally if a waitress charged you a pound every time they come to your table at a starter, a main course and a dessert. 

 

Unpicked my argument in mere minutes! You've got me over a barrel here 

 

 

[nepa fox]

Agree with devonfox1884. I do also want to say, i love this club and if i had the opportunity to see them live on a regular basis(or at all for that matter) which i cannot cuz i live in the U.S, I would be bothered by a few bucks. I have to plan my trip to the KP months in advance. Maybe a bit of perspective, or not. 

[urban.spaceman]

On 13/07/2019 at 08:09, jonthefox said:

Did you want consulting when we broke the transfer record twice in a week?. Or how about when you pick up your free beer ?. £100 million training facility?. No didn’t think so. Give the club a break will you. 

This. 

 

Tickets went up up by a ****ing quid. If that’s the price we have to pay for record signings, free beers, free pies, free pizzas, free donuts and an amazing future with the best owners in the world then I’m fine. 

[rn9013]

7 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

This. 

 

Tickets went up up by a ****ing quid. If that’s the price we have to pay for record signings, free beers, free pies, free pizzas, free donuts and an amazing future with the best owners in the world then I’m fine. 

Except tickets haven’t gone up by a quid. I and I guess many others wouldn’t have an issue with ticket prices going up by a £1. 

 

However, what the club have done is freeze prices on tickets, and use the accompanying fan fare that accompanies such gestures. Meanwhile, they have added on a £1/£1.50 booking fee for each ticket purchased. 

 

As as I have said in a previous post, this is a serious issue within the ticketing and event industries. So much so that it has recently had government intervention and is likely to do so again. 

 

The club have performed admirably over recent years, and in my opinion a ticket fee increase, although not required, would not be out of order. What is out of order in my opinion is increasing ticket prices via the back door while claiming to have frozen them. 

[Guest Papasmurf]

1 minute ago, rn9013 said:

Except tickets haven’t gone up by a quid. I and I guess many others wouldn’t have an issue with ticket prices going up by a £1. 

 

However, what the club have done is freeze prices on tickets, and use the accompanying fan fare that accompanies such gestures. Meanwhile, they have added on a £1/£1.50 booking fee for each ticket purchased. 

 

As as I have said in a previous post, this is a serious issue within the ticketing and event industries. So much so that it has recently had government intervention and is likely to do so again. 

 

The club have performed admirably over recent years, and in my opinion a ticket fee increase, although not required, would not be out of order. What is out of order in my opinion is increasing ticket prices via the back door while claiming to have frozen them. 

It’s a no win situation. If they had put ticket prices up by a comparable amount there’d be a thread with fan groups up in arms about that instead. 

[rn9013]

10 minutes ago, Papasmurf said:

It’s a no win situation. If they had put ticket prices up by a comparable amount there’d be a thread with fan groups up in arms about that instead. 

Yeah you’re quite right to be fair, people will complain whatever the club do. 

 

That being said, putting myself in the clubs situation, I’d be far more comfortable defending a minimal ticket price increase over a per ticket booking fee increase. I guess the club feel the same too, hence the silence. Putting tickets up by £1 would have been easily defendable in a single statement given our recent successes. £1.50 per ticket admin fees are not so easily defendable. 

[Guest]

47 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

This. 

 

Tickets went up up by a ****ing quid. If that’s the price we have to pay for record signings, free beers, free pies, free pizzas, free donuts and an amazing future with the best owners in the world then I’m fine. 

But the issue for a lot of people is that there's been little to no justification for why we have to pay it. The club themselves admitted it's been poorly communicated so from a fan perspective you're suddenly being charged many times as much for buying a ticket as you were before, for no adequate reason. Charging an admin fee for you to print tickets at home yourself is inexcusable. As has been stated, the ticket prices themselves haven't gone up, the transaction fee has, so they're essentially charging more while still being able to say ticket prices are still unchanged. Not good.

 

Our owners have done, and continue to do, some incredible things for us and we're lucky to have them, but that doesn't mean that they or the club should be beyond criticism. It's tiring to see people continually try to shut down legitimate criticisms with "they won us the league" or "they buy us a few beers". 

[Mehrez]

Just one point those saying about printing tickets at home it’s very likely the club are paying a company to provide the software/system that enables you to do that - little to no chance they’ve developed that in house, so there is a cost to that, although it won’t be as much as postage costs it’s not ‘free’ for the club