Fan’s Groups Angered By Lack Of Consultation Prior To ‘Stealth’ Increase In Ticket Purchase Fees.

[Jack1993]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

That’s a whole other thread with the club making a 160% mark up on a standard Adidas catalogue kit by charging £55 when you can buy it £21 that’s an expensive badge and logo. Buying bulk each shirt probably costs them about £15 which is why they end up for sale for £25 come February 

 

Many people just accept that they are getting ripped off when buying a club shirt doesn’t make it OK either.

 

people will pay the ticket charge and they know it, doesn’t make it right it’s an unnecessary extra charge that in reality over the the entire season won’t cover Matty James wages for the past two weeks. It is a 5% rise on a standard adult ticket in the Kop while saying no price increase.

 

not directed at you but so many people look through their “king power blue” glasses and can’t see that sometimes the club aren’t always perfect in everything they do.

 

 

Up the City

[Jack1993]

7 hours ago, Soup said:

Yep. Among loads of other crap that puts me off going nowadays. 

No then 

[Soup]

8 hours ago, Jack1993 said:

No then 

Well I suppose you're right haha but i found myself moaning at something different every week. Little things like this and all sorts of stuff. I feel so much better just listening to the lads on the radio now. 

[Yes N'Didi]

11 hours ago, Jay said:

That’s a whole other thread with the club making a 160% mark up on a standard Adidas catalogue kit by charging £55 when you can buy it £21 that’s an expensive badge and logo. Buying bulk each shirt probably costs them about £15 which is why they end up for sale for £25 come February

Im happy to accept that our club has many faults but this cannot be one of them. You can’t be so naive to think that the club are making a 60% mark up on the shirt?

 

Every team will have agreed a certain package with their kit supplier - ours will be fairly lucrative in terms of exposure (Adidas were fairly keen on working with us, and we are a fairly consistent mid table Premier League team), but no where near as lucrative as Man Utd, Real Madrid, Juve, Bayern, Arsenal etc.

 

Our package will be one which similar teams are on (eg Wolves, Birmingham etc) which involves modified versions of their training silhouettes (Condivo, Entrada, Campeon, Tiro etc), as we simply do not make enough money to warrant a stand alone design and marketing package.

 

As someone who works for an online retailer selling football shirts, the margins made by sellers (such as JD Sports) are absolutely minimal due to all of the rights involved being split with the kit supplier.

 

Whilst Adidas cannot force the club to set a selling price under UK competition law, effectively they have the same pricing model for all teams within this package which ensures fairly even pricing amongst the market, and in all honesty unless the club wanted to put the price up, they would only be eradicating their own margin (and therefore profit) by reducing the price. Any unplanned markdown will directly eat away at that margin as well, so it’s a very risky business with a product with a very specific life of line unless you have a great merchandising team, which, given the amount of sale you have pointed out previously, it doesn’t seem we have.

 

It is however, something you surely cannot criticise the club for in terms of pricing of football jerseys, which is consistent with all clubs with kit suppliers in this country.

 

Football shirts generally cost around £50/55 these days, based on the cost price from the kit supplier. The European market is actually dictating that prices increase further, which companies that Adidas are resisting at the moment as the feel it will start to price out the UK market.

[ozleicester]

8 minutes ago, Yes N'Didi said:

Im happy to accept that our club has many faults but this cannot be one of them. You can’t be so naive to think that the club are making a 60% mark up on the shirt?

 

Every team will have agreed a certain package with their kit supplier - ours will be fairly lucrative in terms of exposure (Adidas were fairly keen on working with us, and we are a fairly consistent mid table Premier League team), but no where near as lucrative as Man Utd, Real Madrid, Juve, Bayern, Arsenal etc.

 

Our package will be one which similar teams are on (eg Wolves, Birmingham etc) which involves modified versions of their training silhouettes (Condivo, Entrada, Campeon, Tiro etc), as we simply do not make enough money to warrant a stand alone design and marketing package.

 

As someone who works for an online retailer selling football shirts, the margins made by sellers (such as JD Sports) are absolutely minimal due to all of the rights involved being split with the kit supplier.

 

Whilst Adidas cannot force the club to set a selling price under UK competition law, effectively they have the same pricing model for all teams within this package which ensures fairly even pricing amongst the market, and in all honesty unless the club wanted to put the price up, they would only be eradicating their own margin (and therefore profit) by reducing the price. Any unplanned markdown will directly eat away at that margin as well, so it’s a very risky business with a product with a very specific life of line unless you have a great merchandising team, which, given the amount of sale you have pointed out previously, it doesn’t seem we have.

 

It is however, something you surely cannot criticise the club for in terms of pricing of football jerseys, which is consistent with all clubs with kit suppliers in this country.

 

Football shirts generally cost around £50/55 these days, based on the cost price from the kit supplier. The European market is actually dictating that prices increase further, which companies that Adidas are resisting at the moment as the feel it will start to price out the UK market.

This is just wrong. the rights that make a retailers margins low are split with the CLUB and supplier

The shirt (without badge and advertising print) is only 15 quid RETAIL! 

 

SO the shirt at most is costing the retailer 10 quid (most retailers have at least a 30% markup).

 

The club would be buying the shirt at a better rate than a retailer as part of the agreement with Addidas, but lets assume not, lets say they are buying the shirt at retail 15 quid... they onsell for 55 quid... 250% mark up. (not to mention the free advertising).

[steveherbe]

1 hour ago, Soup said:

Well I suppose you're right haha but i found myself moaning at something different every week. Little things like this and all sorts of stuff. I feel so much better just listening to the lads on the radio now. 

You're being a bit selfish there mate, we f***kin miss you!! I'll just add, Crystal Palace away, nuff said?

[yorkie1999]

11 hours ago, Jay said:

 

That’s a whole other thread with the club making a 160% mark up on a standard Adidas catalogue kit by charging £55 when you can buy it £21 that’s an expensive badge and logo. Buying bulk each shirt probably costs them about £15 which is why they end up for sale for £25 come February 

 

Many people just accept that they are getting ripped off when buying a club shirt doesn’t make it OK either.

 

people will pay the ticket charge and they know it, doesn’t make it right it’s an unnecessary extra charge that in reality over the the entire season won’t cover Matty James wages for the past two weeks. It is a 5% rise on a standard adult ticket in the Kop while saying no price increase.

 

not directed at you but so many people look through their “king power blue” glasses and can’t see that sometimes the club aren’t always perfect in everything they do.

 

 

People are not being ripped off, that's the whole point of a brand name. Do you want a VW or a Seat, same car at the end of the day but ones 5 grand cheaper. Stone island jackets probably costs a tener to make but people pay 500 quid for one. Go and buy a 20 quid shirt and put some badges on it, no one will know, except yourself, and that's what matters.

[Voll Blau]

I'm genuinely amazed at the lengths some people will go to in order to defend LCFC taking ever more money out of their own pockets without good reason. Amazing people resort to the "a football club is like any other business" line too when we all know most would kick off if a normal business, which didn't trade on their deeply ingrained loyalty, introduced such a charge so disingenuously.

 

If you tolerate this, then your children will be next...

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, Voll Blau said:

I'm genuinely amazed at the lengths some people will go to in order to defend LCFC taking ever more money out of their own pockets without good reason. Amazing people resort to the "a football club is like any other business" line too when we all know most would kick off if a normal business, which didn't trade on their deeply ingrained loyalty, introduced such a charge so disingenuously.

 

If you tolerate this, then your children will be next...

Part of me is also convinced that the club was renamed to King Power FC they wouldn't have an issue. 

[ozleicester]

27 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

People are not being ripped off, that's the whole point of a brand name. Do you want a VW or a Seat, same car at the end of the day but ones 5 grand cheaper. Stone island jackets probably costs a tener to make but people pay 500 quid for one. Go and buy a 20 quid shirt and put some badges on it, no one will know, except yourself, and that's what matters.

The difference here is you cannot buy an alternative team Its not a choice between Leicester and Kettering town... LCFC is the only option and they are exploiting that loyalty

[Guest Markyblue]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Part of me is also convinced that the club was renamed to King Power FC they wouldn't have an issue. 

Lets cut to the chase.  The usual suspects who have a wider agenda are using this for their own purposes.  You dont like us being owned and run by a successful capitalist enterprise like king power. 

[MattFox]

On 15/07/2019 at 09:57, lcfc278 said:

"Expand the stadium!" - I hear the fans cry.

 

"State of the art training ground!" - An unexpected delivery from the owners, to push us to the higher echelons of English footballing status

 

"Free beer, water and cupcakes to celebrate the season, to commemorate Vichai" - A lovely gesture from the club, often repeated, the envy of every other clubs fans

 

"2 record signings within the space of a week!" - The deliverance of Youri Tielemans, that the fans cried "sign him up" for, for weeks, the club duly delivered.

 

An increase in ticket purchase fees, an absolute drop in the ocean in terms of an increase in revenue compared to the frequent investment pumped in to this club since the family took over.

 

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves, sure it is a slight inconvenience but with all of the taking can you seriously not foot an extra £1 here and there each game for what we've experienced and what's to come?  

 

King Power haven’t pumped any money into the club since 2013

 

We are a self sufficient business.

 

 

[CosbehFox]

5 minutes ago, Markyblue said:

Lets cut to the chase.  The usual suspects who have a wider agenda are using this for their own purposes.  You dont like us being owned and run by a successful capitalist enterprise like king power. 

Not at all. I just dislike people who view that our club is solely made great by King Power.

 

It would be great regardless and it was before their arrival too. Yeah they've helped fortunes in recent times but they haven't 'made' the club. I think some of our fans get confused that they are doing it for us. They are doing it for themselves firstly and the rest is a byproduct.

 

Their philanthropy however in supporting the city is absolutely amazing and deserves more celebration than anything else. 

 

Given that I work in an industry completely reliant on capitalism and an active economy positivity affects me I think you've done brilliant in attempting to enveloping there. 

[Guest Markyblue]

1 minute ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Not at all. I just dislike people who view that our club is solely made great by King Power.

 

It would be great regardless and it was before their arrival too. Yeah they've helped matters but they haven't 'made' the club. I think some of our fans get confused that they are doing it for us. They are doing it for themselves firstly and the rest is a byproduct.

 

Their philanthropy however in supporting the city is absolutely amazing and deserves more celebration than anything else. 

I love the history of my club and fully know that we were here before kp and will be here a long time after they have gone. Almost all  certainly do not think we are solely made by kp but are thankful for the massive contribution they have made to our recent success. 

[lcfc278]

41 minutes ago, MattFox said:

 

King Power haven’t pumped any money into the club since 2013

 

We are a self sufficient business.

 

 

Yes and this is thanks to the owners.

 

They could sit back and take the TV money, player sales fees etc. out of the club but they don't. It's kept within the business and they're investing money (revenue / loans against the TV money) to improve our club on and off the pitch. Take a look around at some of the other clubs out there and their owners, some of us don't know how lucky we have it.

 

And yes, we were a great club long before King Power and doubtless will be as long as we exist but you cannot dismiss the change in our clubs direction and fortune ever since arriving.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

10 minutes ago, lcfc278 said:

They could sit back and take the TV money, player sales fees etc. out of the club but they don't. It's kept within the business and they're investing money (revenue / loans against the TV money) to improve our club on and off the pitch. Take a look around at some of the other clubs out there and their owners, some of us don't know how lucky we have it.

Yet again, this is all brilliant and no one is questioning it. But if all this money is being kept in the business and "re-invested", they why are the fans picking up the bill for the "improved" ticketing system? It's such an irrelevant amount for the club to be passing onto the fans, which is why it gets people's goat. 

[lcfc278]

6 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Yet again, this is all brilliant and no one is questioning it. But if all this money is being kept in the business and "re-invested", they why are the fans picking up the bill for the "improved" ticketing system? It's such an irrelevant amount for the club to be passing onto the fans, which is why it gets people's goat. 

If the club was blasé enough to just dismiss small costs here and it wouldn't be a very well run business. Businesses of the size of Leicester City will have people within the club, whose specific role is to look at margins, cost efficiencies and cost savings, no matter how small or big they are. We're the ones paying to attend games and quietly expecting investment and improvements, we should therefore expect costs to ourselves to increase slightly at some point. Supply and demand.

 

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

13 minutes ago, lcfc278 said:

If the club was blasé enough to just dismiss small costs here and it wouldn't be a very well run business. Businesses of the size of Leicester City will have people within the club, whose specific role is to look at margins, cost efficiencies and cost savings, no matter how small or big they are. We're the ones paying to attend games and quietly expecting investment and improvements, we should therefore expect costs to ourselves to increase slightly at some point. Supply and demand.

If was truly "supply and demand" then why not own up to it and just put the ticket prices up? Don't try and hide the fact they want more gate money.

 

And the point about things getting better meaning they get more expensive, I'd understand that if we didn't get the cash from the TV deals that we do. You're going on like get receipts still pay the wages ffs. 

[lcfc278]

8 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

If was truly "supply and demand" then why not own up to it and just put the ticket prices up? Don't try and hide the fact they want more gate money.

 

And the point about things getting better meaning they get more expensive, I'd understand that if we didn't get the cash from the TV deals that we do. You're going on like get receipts still pay the wages ffs. 

Own up to it? You can walk in to the club shop and avoid the cost completely, they don't have a gun to your head.

 

Also, I never said that this small increase is going to 'pay the wages', it is simple business and managing costs and revenue, if they just threw out the idea of any increase in costs if it was "nothing compared to Silva's wages" then the club would eventually end up in a hole. Use your noggin mate.

 

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

8 minutes ago, lcfc278 said:

Own up to it? You can walk in to the club shop and avoid the cost completely, they don't have a gun to your head.

 

Also, I never said that this small increase is going to 'pay the wages', it is simple business and managing costs and revenue, if they just threw out the idea of any increase in costs if it was "nothing compared to Silva's wages" then the club would eventually end up in a hole. Use your noggin mate.

Come on, you know the club would be just fine without introducing these charges, and suggesting otherwise is just delusional. 

 

Oh, and I can't just "walk into the shop", it's not that easy for everyone. Hey, maybe you could pop in for me?

[lcfc278]

2 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Come on, you know the club would be just fine without introducing these charges, and suggesting otherwise is just delusional. 

Really?? Oh no I thought the club would go out of business without this new charge!

 

It's the fact people, including you, are stating that the club should not impose any kind of increases of new charges to cover their costs. We should all get everything the same price or for free, forever, and still spend money on new players and the stadium etc. Typical of our current society who want everything for free and want to give nothing back. It's a small online ticket fee increase, deal with it.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 minutes ago, lcfc278 said:

Really?? Oh no I thought the club would go out of business without this new charge!

 

It's the fact people, including you, are stating that the club should not impose any kind of increases of new charges to cover their costs. We should all get everything the same price or for free, forever, and still spend money on new players and the stadium etc. Typical of our current society who want everything for free and want to give nothing back. It's a small online ticket fee increase, deal with it.

When the TV deals come crashing down and we don't get millions on millions for free each year then maybe let's have another conversation. 

 

In the meantime, hopefully you won't get priced out and you won't have to "deal with it". 

[HighPeakFox]

36 minutes ago, lcfc278 said:

Typical of our current society who want everything for free and want to give nothing back. It's a small online ticket fee increase, deal with it.

Ah, it's the fault of society. Nothing like an irrelevant extrapolation, is there? 

 

It is a small increase indeed, and I think most here don't mind that. I think the objection is the claim that ticket prices have been frozen, when in reality they haven't. Honesty about would lead to acceptance, I'm sure. 

[foxinsocks]

I am not keen on the club being expected to liaise with ad hoc groups

.... they didnt ring me up either but i am not angry.  Did they call cliff thingy up?

[Stadt]

I think something obvious that a lot have missed is that there was already an admin fee. Nobody seriously complained about it and everybody accepts that it’s an annoying but probably necessary function of modern commerce. The new fees are just a needless cash grab - even if you book a stadium tour now you have to pay a £1.50 admin fee. That’s not paying for the training ground lmao