The VAR thread

[OwnGoal]

3 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

What was staggering was the panel agreeing with the decision after the match with the defense du Bruyne has a right to protect his face, I couldn't believe what I was hearing, and it cost us

If I remember as well they even gave Man City a handball peno just to really take the piss. 

[majaco]

VAR is infuriating.    Last season's game v Manchester when Iheanacho's goal was disallowed for a dubious clear and obvious error that took minutes to create.    And McTominay stayed on the pitch following a clear and obvious error that became open to interpretation  when it was realised he played for Manchester United.

[OwnGoal]

6 minutes ago, majaco said:

VAR is infuriating.    Last season's game v Manchester when Iheanacho's goal was disallowed for a dubious clear and obvious error that took minutes to create.    And McTominay stayed on the pitch following a clear and obvious error that became open to interpretation  when it was realised he played for Manchester United.

There was the Everton game where VAR gave them a penalty during covid. Yes Wilf handballed it but just prior to that I think it was Calgar was literally taken out by one of their players which resulted in the subsequent hand ball. 

[splinterdream]

17 minutes ago, OwnGoal said:

If I remember as well they even gave Man City a handball peno just to really take the piss. 

They did. Somebody should collate all this dribble, put it in a video and send it to the FA with a note saying SORT IT OUT......unless of course its all corrupt.

[splinterdream]

20 minutes ago, majaco said:

VAR is infuriating.    Last season's game v Manchester when Iheanacho's goal was disallowed for a dubious clear and obvious error that took minutes to create.    And McTominay stayed on the pitch following a clear and obvious error that became open to interpretation  when it was realised he played for Manchester United.

I remember that, unbelievable decision 

[Corky]

When there is talk about VAR not being used correctly, that Newcastle goal is the best example. Showing the angle which didn't give the view of the blatant push in the back which caused the "foul". 

 

There was two decisions in that incident- either a goal or penalty to Newcastle- and they found another one.

[Walshie is God]

West hams goal yesterday that was chalked off was a disgrace

[Terraloon]

10 hours ago, Tom12345 said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/premier-league/more-embarrassed-for-var-hammers-boss-fumes-at-aussie-86m-star-scores-again-pl-wrap/news-story/c6bb27baca35d05038771ed8b8e136ce

 

West Ham got robbed by VAR and my new hate Chelsea yet again escaped.

 

Similar to Barnes’ disallowed goal.

Not sure WHU were robbed at all. 
 

Bowen made contact with the keeper the rules don’t differentiate between intentional or not the simple fact that Bowen made contact. I suspect he , Bowen made no attempt whatsoever to avoid the keeper indeed he dragged his foot almost wanting to be hit and gain a penalty.

 

Love it or hate it you simply can’t make any contact with a keeper . Yep Mendy made the most of it and stayed down which was clever but the question that no doubt was posed could Mendy had made a difference if he wasn’t “ injured “ cough cough.

 

 

[Fear Of The Fox]

7 minutes ago, Terraloon said:

Not sure WHU were robbed at all. 
 

Bowen made contact with the keeper the rules don’t differentiate between intentional or not the simple fact that Bowen made contact. I suspect he , Bowen made no attempt whatsoever to avoid the keeper indeed he dragged his foot almost wanting to be hit and gain a penalty.

 

Love it or hate it you simply can’t make any contact with a keeper . Yep Mendy made the most of it and stayed down which was clever but the question that no doubt was posed could Mendy had made a difference if he wasn’t “ injured “ cough cough.

 

 

Sorry but 99 out of 100 fans of proper football disagree with you. It's not basketball to punish every contact, even in basketball certain contact when defending is not called a foul. There was also contact with Mendy in the first West Ham goal inside the 6 yard box. Do you think that this goal should have also been disallowed? 

[st albans fox]

8 minutes ago, Terraloon said:

Not sure WHU were robbed at all. 
 

Bowen made contact with the keeper the rules don’t differentiate between intentional or not the simple fact that Bowen made contact. I suspect he , Bowen made no attempt whatsoever to avoid the keeper indeed he dragged his foot almost wanting to be hit and gain a penalty.

 

Love it or hate it you simply can’t make any contact with a keeper . Yep Mendy made the most of it and stayed down which was clever but the question that no doubt was posed could Mendy had made a difference if he wasn’t “ injured “ cough cough.

 

 

Two players are moving forward - there is an inevitable collision - Bowen cannot anticipate completely what mendy will do - he steps over with his right and he doesn’t lift his left high enough to avoid contact of both players in forward motion. He is under no obligation to do so. Infact he could have just stood still and be knocked over by mendy.  You are making a judgment re him dragging his back foot - you don’t know why it happens. If the ref gives a foul in real time then it’s cool. But he doesn’t.  And the laws absolutely  do differentiate between intentional or not. 

[Tuna]

The technology is ok, but the way it is being used and interpreted by the officials is just completely incompetent and it's untenable to continue with it if this is how it is going to be used, some absolutely atrocious calls this weekend from the officials.

[The Doctor]

The tech is undeniably a good thing, the issue everyone actually has is it's a ref at the other end of the screen watching it and making the decision and standards of refereeing in this country are absolutely woeful.

[Super_horns]

Poor refs on the pitch are likely to be going into the VAR room and continuing to be poor at their jobs I suspect ?

 

Moss

Mason

Gilett 

Potentially the younger refs don’t have the guts and bottle to go against them as well ?

[Fear Of The Fox]

2 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Poor refs on the pitch are likely to be going into the VAR room and continuing to be poor at their jobs I suspect ?

 

Moss

Mason

Gilett 

Potentially the younger refs don’t have the guts and bottle to go against them as well ?

Younger refs and good refs don't have the "connections" to go up the ladder. The whole thing is rigged. 

[Dave Fishwick]

15 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

The tech is undeniably a good thing, the issue everyone actually has is it's a ref at the other end of the screen watching it and making the decision and standards of refereeing in this country are absolutely woeful.

yep. Notice VAR isn't awful in the CL or in internationals

[StanSP]

15 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Poor refs on the pitch are likely to be going into the VAR room and continuing to be poor at their jobs I suspect ?

 

Moss

Mason

Gilett 

Potentially the younger refs don’t have the guts and bottle to go against them as well ?

Gillett is better than most. Nowhere near as bad as Moss, Pawson, Mason... 

[J. James]

29 minutes ago, Tuna said:

The technology is ok, but the way it is being used and interpreted by the officials is just completely incompetent and it's untenable to continue with it if this is how it is going to be used, some absolutely atrocious calls this weekend from the officials.

And there lies the utter pointlessness of VAR!  Incompetant referees either on the pitch or off - take your pick - but at least pre VAR we could celebrate a goal without thinking will it stand?

The only answer (if they wont scrap the failed experiment) is total AI control and no human input/unconscious bias/psychological pressure involved.

 

But then l guess we'd criticise the programmers!

 

[Hamilton Fox]

I’m still fuming about the blatant handball in the last minute by Brighton against us at home when there were no fans due to covid, ultimately cost us 2 points and champions league football.. am I the only one that remembers this?!

[Super_horns]

8 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Gillett is better than most. Nowhere near as bad as Moss, Pawson, Mason... 

That is why I mentioned 2 of them .

 

Think they are on VAR now ?

 

Gillett was the VAR ref at Chelsea so is he up  to it ?

[Nod.E]

1 hour ago, Walshie is God said:

West hams goal yesterday that was chalked off was a disgrace

The clearest sign yet of corruption.

 

The foul was literally a toe on the keeper's shoulder after the ball had been played. 

 

Not studs. Not impacting the play. Just a touch on the keeper.

 

So if that's a foul, it has to be a foul every single time an opposition player touches a goalkeeper.

 

This coming from somebody that broadly agrees with the protection keepers get (very hard to catch a ball if you're knocked into mid-flight.)

 

It isn't that the game has gone soft. It has gone corrupt.

[Terraloon]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Two players are moving forward - there is an inevitable collision - Bowen cannot anticipate completely what mendy will do - he steps over with his right and he doesn’t lift his left high enough to avoid contact of both players in forward motion. He is under no obligation to do so. Infact he could have just stood still and be knocked over by mendy.  You are making a judgment re him dragging his back foot - you don’t know why it happens. If the ref gives a foul in real time then it’s cool. But he doesn’t.  And the laws absolutely  do differentiate between intentional or not. 

He actually is and other that handball no where in the law 12 does the law differentiate between intentional/ deliberate or not. 

Edited 4 September 2022 by Terraloon

[Terraloon]

1 hour ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

Sorry but 99 out of 100 fans of proper football disagree with you. It's not basketball to punish every contact, even in basketball certain contact when defending is not called a foul. There was also contact with Mendy in the first West Ham goal inside the 6 yard box. Do you think that this goal should have also been disallowed? 

The trouble is 99 out of 100 “ proper supporters” come to that managers players , ex players and pundits have not kept up to date with the law changes and indeed the different interpretations that the IFAB apply to the laws.I am a qualified ref albeit it just County level and every season we are briefed about changes

The first goal was an example of where a challenge  is allowed in that Mendy didn’t have control with the ball. The second is completely different because Bowens foot ( which is defined as a kick) came into contact with Mendy and that is why the foul was given.

 

[Super_horns]

Doubt this will lead to much ..

 

Seems to be one review every so often .

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62787324

[st albans fox]

7 hours ago, Terraloon said:

He actually is and other that handball no where in the law 12 does the law differentiate between intentional/ deliberate or not. 

Not according to PGMOL 

[Terraloon]

36 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Not according to PGMOL 

Not quite sure what you have read but may well be worth while providing a link because the law as written makes no reference to deliberate nor does the IFAB