The VAR thread

[Spudulike]

1 hour ago, Lcfc82 said:

Should be binned off but won’t be because it means admitting they shouldn’t of introduced it in the 1st place.

 

Adds nothing positive at all for the match going fan.

But do you want to go back to the days when the likes of ManUtd getting most 50-50 decisions in their favour or Liverpool getting dodgy penalties by a crowd influenced ref? Despite the mantra, the big calls don't even themselves out over a season if you're not a greedy 6 club. If they get the technology and those applying it correct then we are much closer to a level playing field. 

[Buzzell]

3 hours ago, krelm said:

Did VAR draw the lines wrong in our match too?  The spurs player at the top looks ahead of Dier as blue line goes through top of his head.  

If anything Dier’s hand/arm is further out than Barnes. Disgrace of a decision.

[jamfox]

1 minute ago, Buzzell said:

If anything Dier’s hand/arm is further out than Barnes. Disgrace of a decision.

Not sure hand /arm count ?  isn't it only what you can score a goal with 

[Buzzell]

Just now, jamfox said:

Not sure hand /arm count ?  isn't it only what you can score a goal with 

Ohh I never realised that. Well in that case what about Davies shoulder? That looks further out then Barnes toe?

[jamfox]

1 minute ago, Buzzell said:

Ohh I never realised that. Well in that case what about Davies shoulder? That looks further out then Barnes toe?

Its just relay tight , Millimeters in it.  never mind he got the goal back any way  

[FLAN]

Set a 90 second time limit for VAR review. If they can’t decide in that time the on field decisions stands. Still going to be a few wrong but will stop them forensically looking for reasons to rule goals out 

Edited 13 February 2023 by FLAN
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[RonnieTodger]

It’s the worst thing to happen to football in my time. It has made the game immeasurably less enjoyable. 
 

I didn’t celebrate Albrighton‘s goal against Brighton because I was so convinced that there was an offside in the build up.

 

Football was better before VAR. That’s all it should come down to. 

[FosseSpark]

if you're foot is in mid air i don't think it should count as offside. He was on the way to being offside but his foot wasn't yet grounded. 

[Guest worth_the_wait]

2 minutes ago, FLAN said:

Set a 90 second time limit for VAR review. If they can’t decide in that time the on field decisions stands. Still going to be a few wrong but will stop them forensically looking for reasons to rule goals out 

I hate VAR, would never have introduced it, and would bin it tomorrow.    However, the genie is out of the bottle now, and it's sadly here to stay.

 

But to make it better (and by "better" I mean shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic), I would simply say that for all offside decisions where you're trying to see if a player is level or offside ... then you freeze-frame the photo, and then you have 7 seconds to decide.    If it's not obviously offside in 7 seconds, then it's effectively level and onside for all intentional purposes.

 

Spending 2 minutes trying to decide if someone is 1/4 inch offside is pathetically pointless, as with moving bodies and 1/50 second freeze frame and a margin of error, you just can't be that accurate in the first place.

[yorkie1999]

If we're gonna have to have it, at least stick it on the screens at the game in real time so we can see whats going on, it's ridiculous just standing there waiting for a decision. 

[SemperEadem]

15 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

It’s the worst thing to happen to football in my time. It has made the game immeasurably less enjoyable. 
 

I didn’t celebrate Albrighton‘s goal against Brighton because I was so convinced that there was an offside in the build up.

 

Football was better before VAR. That’s all it should come down to. 

This is something I think everyone can agree on.

[Fox92]

4 hours ago, krelm said:

Did VAR draw the lines wrong in our match too?  The spurs player at the top looks ahead of Dier as blue line goes through top of his head.  

No, the referee behind the VAR screen did it.

 

Rubbish referees on a pitch aren't suddenly gonna become good referees behind a screen.

[SemperEadem]

6 hours ago, SemperEadem said:

Saturday's decision must have been one of the longest we have had to wait to date.

Did however lead to the biggest 'F**k VAR' chant that grounds heard. Im not daft enough to think though that still many will flip the next time it works for us and again start chanting for it.

[Super_horns]

11 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

This is something I think everyone can agree on.

So who called for it to come in ?

 

Pundits , managers, players?

Edited 13 February 2023 by Super_horns

[Bert]

9 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

No, the referee behind the VAR screen did it.

 

Rubbish referees on a pitch aren't suddenly gonna become good referees behind a screen.

What’s infuriating for me here is if the ball hits Dier’s arm on his sleeve it’s no penalty. That part of his arm is clearly through the red line. 

[TWUKO]

That Barnes goal was not offside, I think that the offside decisions using VAR have the potential to work perfectly, but the technology they use is so basic and poor.

 

The way they draw the lines are hit and miss, that one didn't even look straight, I think they measured from the wrong defender and also I thought that they measured from the sleeve now, not shoulder?

 

They ball moves so fast how can they accurately use broadcast cameras, they should be using high frame rate slowmotion camera's?

 

I believe the PL will have semi automated offside VAR next season, which I think is a vast improvement as it creates a 3D image, a lot like goal line technology.

 

[SemperEadem]

14 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

So who called for it to come in ?

 

Pundits , managers, players?

The Dutch FA I believe invented it.

[leicsmac]

I've said my own take on the matter before but I'll repeat it here:

 

There's enough good, both potential and actual, in this particular piece of tech that improvement is the solution, not Luddite abandonment for some ethereal idea of a "romantic game".

[David Hankey]

VAR would never have been introduced if match officials prior got things right. Sloppiness in refs and linesman not  keeping up with play plus managers and clubs wanting change brought it all about.

 

Reminds me of the old adage; be careful what you wish for.

[Leicester_Loyal]

I think they'll get it right eventually, but it's going to take years to develop and improve the technology.

[Buzzell]

1 hour ago, jamfox said:

Its just relay tight , Millimeters in it.  never mind he got the goal back any way  

True but just shows how flawed VAR is. It’s not hard to look at that and see what the right decision is.

[Super_horns]

53 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

VAR would never have been introduced if match officials prior got things right. Sloppiness in refs and linesman not  keeping up with play plus managers and clubs wanting change brought it all about.

 

Reminds me of the old adage; be careful what you wish for.

This all started really when managers were able to look at decisions on the bench pretty much straight away or Sky would spend hours doing all sorts of slow mo replays.

 

How times would you hear someone say "we've look at it back on the video or DVD and..."

 

But clearly we aren't in a better situation at all - infact it's created more debate and confusion. 

[Guest Lcfc82]

2 hours ago, Spudulike said:

But do you want to go back to the days when the likes of ManUtd getting most 50-50 decisions in their favour or Liverpool getting dodgy penalties by a crowd influenced ref? Despite the mantra, the big calls don't even themselves out over a season if you're not a greedy 6 club. If they get the technology and those applying it correct then we are much closer to a level playing field. 

It’s no better with VAR than it was without it.

[irishfoxkev]

Not just VAR that had a mare this weekend as even systems in place for some time weren’t conclusive ..Couple of dodgy calls in the Ireland v France rugby match where despite numerous viewing from different camera angles the subjective view of the referee made final call

Also 3 or 4 calls in last nights Super Bowl were marginal in particular the penalty for holding against the Eagles which ultimately helped the Chiefs to win .....

don't think any system is foolproof as human input will always be fallible 

[justfoxes]

7 hours ago, Super_horns said:

I thought it was Lee Mason but either way was very poor usage of a basic system .

It was sorry got my idiots wrong !!