FT General Election Poll 2019

[Foxin_Mad]

Just now, leicsmac said:

...I'm trying to find the part where he said that....

 

But I'm not sure that I can, so perhaps this is just a little bit of a strawman that is being burned here?

He didn't, the point I am making is if you are going to call one lot out, you need to be balanced and call the other lot.

 

All politicians are dishonest, it's a fact.

 

It's crazy to pretend any opposition are the home of integrity and morality because quite frankly they are all as bad as each other.

[Leicester_Loyal]

Just now, Foxin_Mad said:

He didn't, the point I am making is if you are going to call one lot out, you need to be balanced and call the other lot.

 

All politicians are dishonest, it's a fact.

 

It's crazy to pretend any opposition are the home of integrity and morality because quite frankly they are all as bad as each other.

Word. 

[EnderbyFox]

Depressingly I'm now reaching a stage of acceptance that it'll be a Tory majority. 

 

Surely Corbyn will have to go. Who do we think the next Leader will be? I imagine Jon Ashworth wont be throwing his hat in the ring 

 

Keir Starmer for me. 

[leicsmac]

With respect to the NHS, it is most certainly a political football and there seems to be a divide between those who think it needs reform and those who do not.

 

I'm curious, however: to those who do think it needs reform, is there anything specific that you'd do in terms of reform and where would such reforms stand when it comes to the topic of the NHS remaining or not remaining free at the point of use for the vast majority of treatments?

[Jon the Hat]

3 hours ago, RowlattsFox said:

Can someone advise me what Labours plans are to solve the NHS crisis? Far too much focus is always on what the other side will do rather any legitimate plans. Social media has made the coverage of this election almost unbearable, impossible to know who to believe and whats stories are real, exaggerated or even made up. For someone like me who doesn't really follow day to day politics I'm reliant on the information I am given in order to form an opinion. Interviews are a waste of time as all the interviewer is interested in is forcing a slip up and getting a story.

They are going to get a pallet full of cash and deliver it to the front door of each hosiptal.  Oh and payrises for Nurses.

[Jon the Hat]

2 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

The mother of the child has now asked for the picture not to be further used and has removed all forms of social media. 
 

She’s gonna turn out to be a Labour activist isn’t she? 

Probably doesn't want her kid all over the media.  One assumed she is a Labour supporter as why else would she contact the Yorkshire Post to tell her story and send them the photo in the first place?

[WhatTheSchlupp?]

Can one of our resident tories on here please explain what the tories have actually done in the last 9 years to deserve another 5? What have they actually achieved in that time?

 

They are going to be rewarded for the damaging policy of austerity, a political choice and not a necessity, cuts to social care and the police (which they say they will reverse as if that’s really generous of them), total mismanagement of the NHS, and an administration that has seen the earnings of the top 1% go up 185% in the last 10 years while 4 million children live in poverty.

 

do our resident tories agree this last point especially is shocking for one of the richest countries on earth? Does it in anyway change their perception of the “one nation conservative” government we’ve had?

[bmt]

6 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said:

Depressingly I'm now reaching a stage of acceptance that it'll be a Tory majority. 

 

Surely Corbyn will have to go. Who do we think the next Leader will be? I imagine Jon Ashworth wont be throwing his hat in the ring 

 

Keir Starmer for me. 

I think it'll be Long-Bailey or Rayner, both impressed me recently and would have some membership approval

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

He didn't, the point I am making is if you are going to call one lot out, you need to be balanced and call the other lot.

 

All politicians are dishonest, it's a fact.

 

It's crazy to pretend any opposition are the home of integrity and morality because quite frankly they are all as bad as each other.

I can't disagree very much on the idea that the vast majority of the political class are self-serving dishonest pieces of work - that pretty much speaks for itself.

 

But...knowing that, I wonder what that makes the populace that elected them and put them there?

 

NB. For what it's worth and as anyone who's been around here for long enough, when it comes to morality my own personal morality is purely predicated on the long-term survival of humanity (not just one nation, not just one part of the species) as I think it's by far the simplest and purest moral motive, so quite frankly I'll plump for any politician whose own view and projected policy lines up with that.

[Bobby Hundreds]

9 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

 

The NHS is not fit for purpose in the modern age.

 

Let's get it right, the NHS is brilliant. But too much is being placed on it for dealing with social care which it was never intended for. Also far too many idiots think walking up to A&E with a chesty cough or damaged false nails is acceptable.

[Jon the Hat]

 

Just now, Bobby Hundreds said:

Let's get it right, the NHS is brilliant. But too much is being placed on it for dealing with social care which it was never intended for. Also far too many idiots think walking up to A&E with a chesty cough or damaged false nails is acceptable.

The NHS is pretty good at some things and rubbish at others.  It has pockets of outstanding care, and many examples of poor care. For it to be brilliant it would have to have a lot more of the outstanding and lot less of the poor.

[The Guvnor]

I feel sorry for Jonathan Ashworth, what a cnut of a mate, just heard a clip on politics Live.

Dalek's just can't be trusted.

[Jon the Hat]

6 minutes ago, WhatTheSchlupp? said:

Can one of our resident tories on here please explain what the tories have actually done in the last 9 years to deserve another 5? What have they actually achieved in that time?

 

They are going to be rewarded for the damaging policy of austerity, a political choice and not a necessity, cuts to social care and the police (which they say they will reverse as if that’s really generous of them), total mismanagement of the NHS, and an administration that has seen the earnings of the top 1% go up 185% in the last 10 years while 4 million children live in poverty.

 

do our resident tories agree this last point especially is shocking for one of the richest countries on earth? Does it in anyway change their perception of the “one nation conservative” government we’ve had?

Firstly, 4 million children do not live in poverty. Utter nonsense.  This also had sod all to do with the earnings of the 1%, who have paid more tax than ever over this time.

 

Austerity was required at the time.  Worth remembering that Alastair Darling had also written an austerity budget when Carmeron put together the coalition.  Did it go too far and for too long - yes I think it has.  Good then that the new Government will have a new direction and substantially increase funding of the NHS, education and social care.

 

I do think though that was there ANY sort of acceptable opposition leader, Labour would win this comfortably.

 

[Jon the Hat]

3 minutes ago, The Guvnor said:

I feel sorry for Jonathan Ashworth, what a cnut of a mate, just heard a clip on politics Live.

Dalek's just can't be trusted.

Do you trust his judgement on Corbyn though?  Risk to national security!

[Guest MattP]

14 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said:

Depressingly I'm now reaching a stage of acceptance that it'll be a Tory majority. 

 

Surely Corbyn will have to go. Who do we think the next Leader will be? I imagine Jon Ashworth wont be throwing his hat in the ring 

 

Keir Starmer for me. 

Not over yet, but does look almost certain Labour will lose seats.

 

Starmer would be the best choice, but IF they have been smashed in the North they can't seriously pick an Islington based fanatical remainer can they?

 

I'd say Rebecca Long-Bailey or Richard Burgon for next leader. 

 

7 minutes ago, WhatTheSchlupp? said:

Can one of our resident tories on here please explain what the tories have actually done in the last 9 years to deserve another 5? What have they actually achieved in that time?

 

They are going to be rewarded for the damaging policy of austerity, a political choice and not a necessity, cuts to social care and the police (which they say they will reverse as if that’s really generous of them), total mismanagement of the NHS, and an administration that has seen the earnings of the top 1% go up 185% in the last 10 years while 4 million children live in poverty.

 

do our resident tories agree this last point especially is shocking for one of the richest countries on earth? Does it in anyway change their perception of the “one nation conservative” government we’ve had?

I'm voting for them to get Brexit done and to make sure people like Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott don't get near office.

 

But positives from the last nine years are the deficit reduction, the EU referendum and little else. But you don't get things done with coalitions and no majorities.

 

I want to see better though in the next five.

[leicsmac]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50717536

 

An interesting one on some possible parallels between situations in the US and UK.

[The Guvnor]

Just now, Jon the Hat said:

Do you trust his judgement on Corbyn though?  Risk to national security!

I would say 'the cat's out of the bag' but I reckon most people, momentum and die hards aside, hold those fears about Corbyn. 

[Nick]

23 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said:

Depressingly I'm now reaching a stage of acceptance that it'll be a Tory majority. 

 

Surely Corbyn will have to go. Who do we think the next Leader will be? I imagine Jon Ashworth wont be throwing his hat in the ring 

 

Keir Starmer for me. 

A sock puppet would do.

[RoboFox]

15 minutes ago, WhatTheSchlupp? said:

Can one of our resident tories on here please explain what the tories have actually done in the last 9 years to deserve another 5? What have they actually achieved in that time?

They've achieved quite a lot, actually. 

 

1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left the profession.

All this austerity - and the national debt has risen by almost a trillion in 9 years. Now at £1.9 Trillion - up from 900 billion when they took office.

[Mark_w]

Just now, MattP said:

I'm voting for them to get Brexit done and to make sure people like Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott don't get near office.

I thought we had your word that you weren't voting for them?

A coward can get your vote to lead the country after all.

[Foxin_Mad]

11 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Let's get it right, the NHS is brilliant. But too much is being placed on it for dealing with social care which it was never intended for. Also far too many idiots think walking up to A&E with a chesty cough or damaged false nails is acceptable.

I didn't say it wasn't brilliant in some cases. There are many areas that need review procurement, management structures, social care provision, people using ambulances as taxis, piss heads and druggies filling up a and e. 

 

Money wont solve it, the world is fundamentally different to when it was created. That's not to say it doesn't have fantastic areas and staff. Throwing money at it with no real plan just wont help.

 

It needs a bigger review.

[FerrisBueller]

6 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Do you trust his judgement on Corbyn though?  Risk to national security!

To be fair, Jeremy Hunt said the same about Boris Johnson - "In an astonishing escalation of hostilities, cabinet allies of Hunt claimed that Johnson’s colourful private life meant he was a security risk and vulnerable to blackmail from foreign powers."

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, Mark_w said:

I thought we had your word that you weren't voting for them?

A coward can get your vote to lead the country after all.

I'm voting for Ed Argar, not Boris.

 

Seriously though, I'm shocked Boris didn't do the interview, but I also can't look myself in the mirror if we wake up with a government on Friday that causes members of a minority community to flee the country.

 

Evils prospers when good men do nothing and all that.

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, RoboFox said:

They've achieved quite a lot, actually. 

 

1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left the profession.

All this austerity - and the national debt has risen by almost a trillion in 9 years. Now at £1.9 Trillion - up from 900 billion when they took office.

Because Labour left a note saying no more money left. 150 billion a year deficit.

 

If you think that was bad wait till the clear up after Corbyn and has magic money free.

 

There would be joblessness and poverty on a level never seen in a major developed nation if you introduced 3rd rate south American socialist policies.

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Do you trust his judgement on Corbyn though?  Risk to national security!

 

4 minutes ago, The Guvnor said:

I would say 'the cat's out of the bag' but I reckon most people, momentum and die hards aside, hold those fears about Corbyn. 

Depends on how important you believe the concept of nationhood, really,I guess.