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9 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Very good :appl:lol

 

I'm hoping Diane Abbott gets the Labour leader gig.

Would love diane Abbott,  the new blue wall would turn into a house at the next election. 

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42 minutes ago, Manini said:

“You’re so back bench you’ve actually ****ing fallen off. You’re out by the ****ing bins where I put you. Your hands. You were like a sweaty octopus trying to undo a bra” 

lol The episode where he's on Newsnight with Paxman is basically how half the shadow cabinet dealt with interviews of the campaign. 

 

 

41 minutes ago, Izzy said:

ITS NOT TICKLE ITS TICKEL!!

I had a client at work with that surname and it was so hard to resist shouting that lol.

 

Same with anytime I meet somebody call Lynn, thanks to Partridge. 

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2 minutes ago, David Guiza said:

lol The episode where he's on Newsnight with Paxman is basically how half the shadow cabinet dealt with interviews of the campaign. 

It’s my second favourite episode. Behind the 5 live episode with Bacon. I watched In the Loop the other night expecting to be disappointed but it still made me laugh. What a show I wish they made more. I wish Hugh Abbott came back in some capacity too. 

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54 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

Who do you think should be the leader, as in is there anyone you could consider voting for? Failing that someone you'd tolerate to lead the country?

Literally none of them.  When Yvette Cooper looks like the best choice you know the pool is pretty weak.

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8 hours ago, MattP said:

Amazing how people see things isn't it? As a Tory voter I'd be picking Starmer as the Labour leader as it would pretty much confirm to the country.they are a middle class party of London - although I agree he's the most competent of the lot. (Not saying much in this day and age)
 

The talent pool is drained though, how does a political party manage to lose Akan Johnson and Andy Burhham whilst gaining Richard Burgon and Chris Williamson? Mental. All these nutters you kicked out of the party over the last three decades have all rejoined since 2015. Race does look between Starmer and RBL though.

 

Biggest problem for Labour is that Scotland is gone, it either goes independent or it just returns a shedload of SNP MP's - to win a GE you've got to now win England and Wales, I think in only 1997 have they ever done that.

Firstly, as opposed to who? Boris of Uxbridge?

 

Secondly, surely Starmer is more of a threat than one of Corbyn's comrades?

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It's interesting listening to Corbynistas saying they "won the argument" combined with Corbyn's defence of FPTP in the commons. This was never about Corbyn winning a general election but about trying to make socialism the only political alternative to Conservative governments in this country. It explains why so much Labour strategy recently has been directed at preventing any rival left of centre parties from gaining political space.

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21 hours ago, LiberalFox said:

Who do you think should be the leader, as in is there anyone you could consider voting for? Failing that someone you'd tolerate to lead the country?

Alan Johnson I'd actually vote for, would tolerate anyone like Burnham, Flint or Woodcock - they've all pretty much gone though 

 

Not a single one of the people running now for the leadership would get my vote - it's a combination of snobs, thickos and glorified social workers. 

 

16 hours ago, Lionator said:

Firstly, as opposed to who? Boris of Uxbridge?

 

Secondly, surely Starmer is more of a threat than one of Corbyn's comrades?

Problem is the Tories aren't seen as a snobby Islington party that is anti-working class anymore - Labour and it's leadership now are. That's why they can get away with Boris.

 

This isn't just Brexit and Corbyn though - this has been building up for years now, every single thing from the blind eye turned to grooming gangs for the sake of diversity to Emily Thornberry mocking the England flag to the consistent we know better than you attitude.

 

It's been a long process losing the trust of the core vote, it won't be won back easily either. 

 

Second point is true, when he's the best candidate the party is in deep trouble.

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Whoever wins first job should be to clear out the Momentum mob.

 

Claudia Webbe again, this time on Radio 4 this morning. She is actually a downgrade on Vaz.

 

These people just aren't capable of any sort of critical thinking. They are also completely incapable of listening to anything anyone else is saying.

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2 hours ago, MattP said:

Whoever wins first job should be to clear out the Momentum mob.

 

Claudia Webbe again, this time on Radio 4 this morning. She is actually a downgrade on Vaz.

 

These people just aren't capable of any sort of critical thinking. They are also completely incapable of listening to anything anyone else is saying.

 

:frusty::frusty::frusty:

 

She doesn't seem to have the calibre even to do the job of, say, a clerical supervisor, never mind be an MP. She makes Burgon seem bright and thoughtful. Hard to think of a greater insult.

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3 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

:frusty::frusty::frusty:

 

She doesn't seem to have the calibre even to do the job of, say, a clerical supervisor, never mind be an MP. She makes Burgon seem bright and thoughtful. Hard to think of a greater insult.

Baffling. Five years of her and Leicester East could be in play for the Tories.

 

It struck me today how bizarre this all is - Corbyn still stood at the box arguing about selling the NHS to Trump, still effectively fighting the General Election campaign to a load of groans with half his backbenchers not even bothering to show up. 

 

What are the public going to think when they turn on the news in January and still see him doing PMQ's? 

 

It's like nothing has happened, is it beyond the realms of possibility that he tries to stick this out and remain leader for a couple of years? 

 

This really doesn't look anything like a "period of reflection" at the minute.

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3 minutes ago, MattP said:

 

It struck me today how bizarre this all is - Corbyn still stood at the box arguing about selling the NHS to Trump, still effectively fighting the General Election campaign to a load of groans with half his backbenchers not even bothering to show up. 

 

What are the public going to think when they turn on the news in January and still see him doing PMQ's? 

 

It's like nothing has happened, is it beyond the realms of possibility that he tries to stick this out and remain leader for a couple of years? 

 

This really doesn't look anything like a "period of reflection" at the minute.

 

Yes, I think it is beyond the realms of possibility that he sticks around for a couple of years. The plan is for a new leader to be elected by March, I think.

 

Would be better if he went immediately, though. Harriet Harman stood in as acting leader after Brown & Miliband stood down, and Margaret Beckett did likewise after John Smith died.

I know there's no deputy leader after Watson went, but it would still be possible for an experienced MP (maybe even Harman again) who wasn't going to be a leadership candidate to stand in.

 

I presume that Corbyn is hanging around so as to influence arrangements for the leadership contest, to maximise the chances of an "approved Corbynite heir".

An NEC meeting in January will decide the rules, I think. I already heard rumours that this time new members won't be allowed to vote, in case there's an influx of non-Corbynistas. DK whether that's true....we'll see.

 

My main hope is that a lot of the more naive Corbynistas will have spent weeks doorstepping & getting negative comments about Corbyn, the credibility of the election promises etc.

The cynical old Stalinists behind the project will be focused on retaining party control for the Hard Left, but hopefully the election will have been an educational process for a lot of naive foot soldiers. Not holding my breath, though.

 

Massive shame if a bunker mentality sets in as it would be perfectly possible to combine a limited number of radical policies (including some of Corbyn's) with a credible overall policy platform & good leadership.

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3 hours ago, purpleronnie said:

Almost all of them actually irritate me, one of the ones that doesn't is Lisa Nandy but I just can't see her as a leader of the opposition.

With every candidate there seems to be a bit of a double edged sword. I think that sums up exactly where Labour are at the moment. Everybody is talking about what the candidate ‘can’t be’. Nobody seems to know what they should be or what direction they should go in. The NEC, the membership, the traditional support base are all completely out of sync. Whoever gets the job almost has to almost accept the job as the sacrificial lamb. 
They have to do more than win back the electorate to survive.

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2 minutes ago, Strokes said:

With every candidate there seems to be a bit of a double edged sword. I think that sums up exactly where Labour are at the moment. Everybody is talking about what the candidate ‘can’t be’. Nobody seems knows what they should be or what direction they should go in. The NEC, the membership, the traditional support base are all completely out of sync. Whoever gets the job almost has to almost accept the job as the sacrificial lamb. 
They have to do more than win back the electorate to survive.

They need me

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Clive Lewis has announced and says he wants to give the membership more of a say over policy. The membership is a big barrier to winning elections as it is, don't give them more influence. A flagship policy of liberating Palestine won't win 2024

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

Clive Lewis has announced and says he wants to give the membership more of a say over policy. The membership is a big barrier to winning elections as it is, don't give them more influence. A flagship policy of liberating Palestine won't win 2024

 

 

Depends what he means exactly. Lewis isn't an unthinking, signed-up Hard Left Corbynista, more of a soft left maverick. He'll be an interesting candidate.

 

He may conceivably be expressing it this way to win members' votes - with the aim of loosening the Corbynista grip over the party decision-making machinery.

Not all party members/activists are in the pocket of the likes of Milne & Lansman or naive non-thinkers like some of the idiots exposed on Twitter or wherever.

 

Here's his Guardian article announcing his candidacy: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/19/im-standing-labour-leader-clive-lewis

He's hinting at alliances with other centre-left parties, is a strong advocate of electoral reform & is strong on environmental issues. He resigned from the shadow cabinet because he wanted a clear Remain stance......controversial now, maybe not in 2024.

 

He's also right to see the election result as a judgment not only on Corbyn but also on aspects of New Labour in govt. Labour's support in the north/midlands was falling in the Blair/Brown/Miliband era. It's just reached a disastrous peak under Corbyn.

If you hear ex-Labour voters in the North interviewed, they're not just saying Corbyn was bad. They're saying Labour's done nothing for them long-term. Unfair to the better aspects of New Labour, such as improved public services, but it is true that Labour in govt did very little to bring new investment or good jobs to areas deindustralised under Thatcher.

 

Whether he's the best candidate, I'm not sure. He's an excitable character, though quite charismatic. His candidacy should make for a better, more thought-provoking contest, though.

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