Corona Virus

[Father Ted]

I thought this thread was about coronavirus but all I've seen for the last 3 days are far left radicalists on their high horse talking politics. This forum is the pits now.

[Guest Bilo]

2 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

She hasn't been in the role long, but the real question is, what has she achieved as a minister other than going to illegal meetings, getting sacked and being accused of bullying her staff. The only thing shes achieved is being appointed, but once there she does **** all but cause controversy.

Exactly. 

 

The same people speculating how useless Diane Abbott would have been and take delight in poking fun at her gaffes are invariably among the first to defend a dud HS with far more egregious failings. 

[Strokes]

49 minutes ago, Bilo said:

So Priti Patel has achieved nothing as Home Secretary then?

 

Good to hear. 

Imagine that!

[murphy]

Down again (717) although this could a false number due to the 'weekend dip'.  Spain's daily total also still falling (519).

 

Crazy that 717 deaths in a day could be considered hopeful news.

[Strokes]

42 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Exactly. 

 

The same people speculating how useless Diane Abbott would have been and take delight in poking fun at her gaffes are invariably among the first to defend a dud HS with far more egregious failings. 

She’s not going to shag you mate!

 

Seeing as this thread and it’s contributions have dragged down to Twitter levels of contributions, I’ll play my part.

[simFox]

2 minutes ago, murphy said:

Down again (717) although this could a false number due to the 'weekend dip'.  Spain's daily total also still falling (519).

 

Crazy that 717 deaths in a day could be considered hopeful news.

There's always less recorded on a weekend and I count the BH as it still being so. You do know that's deaths recorded, not the amount of people died since yesterday right?

[Nod.E]

8 hours ago, Toddybad said:

I can't see people wanting to go back to normal if we relax the rules and they see friends and family falling victim. 

 

I don't understand the rush. We're being asked to stay at home unless we need to go to the shop or to do some exercise. We're hardly under house arrest.

 

The economic fall out can wait. It's not worth risking tens of thousands of lives because of some future unspecified economic concern. We were prepared to print hundreds of billions to bail out the bankers, this time we bail out ordinary families.

Unspecified? Allow me to specify... We're fvcked.

 

A visit to the shop and a walk is pretty much lockdown. It's pretty much house arrest.

 

If lockdown was lifted now I still wouldn't go to see my parents until all of this was 'over', and I'd expect vulnerable people to take extra precautions.

[murphy]

3 minutes ago, simFox said:

There's always less recorded on a weekend and I count the BH as it still being so. You do know that's deaths recorded, not the amount of people died since yesterday right?

 

Yes, I know what the number means but we're looking for trends and patterns here.  You're probably right about the Bank Holiday weekend numbers, that's why I mentioned it in the original post.

 

[murphy]

52 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Exactly. 

 

The same people speculating how useless Diane Abbott would have been and take delight in poking fun at her gaffes are invariably among the first to defend a dud HS with far more egregious failings. 

Look.  Stop with all this bitterness.

 

You came second.  Four times in a row! 

 

That's not bad is it?

 

[Guest Bilo]

Blimey, still  no achievements anyone can point to so they stick rigidly to the old ad hominem. 😂😂😂

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, murphy said:

Look.  Stop with all this bitterness.

 

You came second.  Four times in a row! 

 

That's not bad is it?

 

 

[Guest Markyblue]

11 minutes ago, murphy said:

Look.  Stop with all this bitterness.

 

You came second.  Four times in a row! 

 

That's not bad is it?

 

Better than spurs. 

[murphy]

6 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Blimey, still  no achievements anyone can point to so they stick rigidly to the old ad hominem. 😂😂😂

 

She can count up to three hundred thousand, thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand.

 

How's that for an achievement?

 

She kept Dianne Abbott out of office.  Surprised no one's mentioned her.

 

There's two!

[urban.spaceman]

Glad this whole virus thing is over and we can devote this thread to more important discussions.

[The whole world smiles]

1 hour ago, Father Ted said:

I thought this thread was about coronavirus but all I've seen for the last 3 days are far left radicalists on their high horse talking politics. This forum is the pits now.

Mate surely you see the irony in calling some of your fellow Leicester fans "far left radicalists", then Getting annoyed that this thread is now people talking politics!

[murphy]

5 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Glad this whole virus thing is over and we can devote this thread to more important discussions.

 

You're right, but if @Bilo won't let this thing go I might as well have some fun and laugh at him.

[st albans fox]

2 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

Interesting report on BBC lunchtime news re. lockdown relaxation plans. They vary a lot....

 

- Spain: Manufacturing & construction to resume (but presumably not customer service / retail?)

- Italy: Manufacturing not resuming, just a few more shops (e.g. bookshops, baby clothes); lots of bars/restaurants now going bust 

- China: Starting to get back to normal, in theory, but much less so in Wuhan...so regional differentiation

- S. Korea: Never had a lockdown, relied on mass testing & tracing - still true, I presume

- Singapore: Just tightened lockdown again after signs of a 2nd wave - fines/prison for those in breach

- Japan: No lockdown, just voluntary requests for social distancing & widespread use of masks in Asia 

 

I hope there'll be wider media coverage of what's happening in other countries. I hope those advising govt are also studying it closely to see what works and what doesn't.

Far too early for any UK relaxation yet, but these are decisions we might face in a few weeks - and different countries seem to be responding very differently (even Spain v. Italy, never mind Asia)

 

I assume places with high concentrations of people - pubs, restaurants, cafes, shopping centres, sports grounds, cinemas - may take months to return, at best, assuming they haven't gone bust.

Or might some be able to open but with limitations on numbers / distancing arrangements as with food shops?

There might also be less demand for such places, initially at least, due to people's fear/caution about catching the virus.

Spain and Italy have had a more severe lockdown than us with no work allowed at all (apart from essential health support and food shops) so a relaxation of their lockdown brings them back in line with ours. 
 

away from wuhan’s province, China have had a more relaxed situation for a good few weeks now. They have been able to visit shops for over a month but my information was that few people seemed interested in going out for non food items ..... they are very strict on checking temperature in every building entry point. 

[Strokes]

30 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Blimey, still  no achievements anyone can point to so they stick rigidly to the old ad hominem. 😂😂😂

You knew the answer before you asked it. You answered your own question two or three times already, are you surprised?

The most notable achievement is that she wears a matching pair of shoes on the correct feet. Happy?

[st albans fox]

why are people so easily offended ......
 

gove was isolating cos his daughter was showing symptoms. they decided to test her and she was negative so gove could return to work. 
 

so many up in arms at this - don’t they understand that those at the top of govt charged with making big calls on this (especially with the PM sidelined) are needed to be available 24/7 to make decisions .......... face to face meetings are  far more effective than virtual. 
 

we all know that NHS staff and their families need access to testing to enable them to return to work but to suggest that a doctor/nurse is equivalent to a senior cabinet minister at this time is a bit silly. those making the big calls are responsible for making decisions that will cost/save hundreds if not thousands of lives ....... 
 

I assume that most of the people upset at this are the same ones who get annoyed by most jokes ........  they seem unable to apply perspective to issues .......

[Alf Bentley]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Spain and Italy have had a more severe lockdown than us with no work allowed at all (apart from essential health support and food shops) so a relaxation of their lockdown brings them back in line with ours. 
 

 

I'm not sure how much manufacturing is still operating in this country, apart from food processing, pharmaceuticals, essential equipment etc. Do you know?

 

My brother works in construction and says that's almost at a standstill - partly because jobs have been cancelled/postponed, but partly just because builder's merchants are shut so they can't get materials for projects that haven't been postponed.

 

So, Spain might be resuming a higher level of economic activity than here, for now, perhaps? 

 

Will be interesting to see how things proceed & beneficial for the UK to be able to see what does and doesn't work elsewhere, how people react etc. Not necessarily directly transferable, but useful info.

Your point about Chinese being cautious about returning to shops is interesting - and unsurprising, I'd say. When formerly busy shopping centres, pubs and eateries do re-open here, will a lot of folk stay away, if the virus is still a threat (likely)? That could affect football, too, once that opens up to crowds again - which I wouldn't expect to happen until the autumn....

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

I'm not sure how much manufacturing is still operating in this country, apart from food processing, pharmaceuticals, essential equipment etc. Do you know?

 

My brother works in construction and says that's almost at a standstill - partly because jobs have been cancelled/postponed, but partly just because builder's merchants are shut so they can't get materials for projects that haven't been postponed.

 

So, Spain might be resuming a higher level of economic activity than here, for now, perhaps? 

 

Will be interesting to see how things proceed & beneficial for the UK to be able to see what does and doesn't work elsewhere, how people react etc. Not necessarily directly transferable, but useful info.

Your point about Chinese being cautious about returning to shops is interesting - and unsurprising, I'd say. When formerly busy shopping centres, pubs and eateries do re-open here, will a lot of folk stay away, if the virus is still a threat (likely)? That could affect football, too, once that opens up to crowds again - which I wouldn't expect to happen until the autumn....

Plenty of work is still being done here Alf - I believe most on line retailing is still active ....... not sure about manufacturing away from health support but wouldn’t surprise me if many still are if they have some demand for their product. 
 

in Italy and Spain, they stopped all  ‘non essential’ employment two weeks ago.  

[January47]

10 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Plenty of work is still being done here Alf - I believe most on line retailing is still active ....... not sure about manufacturing away from health support but wouldn’t surprise me if many still are if they have some demand for their product. 
 

in Italy and Spain, they stopped all  ‘non essential’ employment two weeks ago.  

I think you would be surprised how much is going on still. Take the food and drink industry where  I work. Almost all production is still going on. That means you also need the people to make the packaging, the logistics people, the engineers who sell and service the equipment, the farmers and associated agricultural industry etc etc as well as the people making the food. Someone told me their company who make and service tills for supermarkets have never been as busy.

i know it’s its the same in pharma and the massive related healthcare sector.

then add to that police, hospitals etc.

 

Be interesting to know how many people on this board are still working

[whoareyaaa]

Just read this didn't realise they was releasing the death figures like this https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0413/1130252-coronavirus-uk/

 

The most deaths in a. Single day was 737 and that was on the 8th of April

[st albans fox]

13 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Just read this didn't realise they was releasing the death figures like this https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0413/1130252-coronavirus-uk/

 

The most deaths in a. Single day was 737 and that was on the 8th of April

Which is why it may well be more relevant to use a five day rolling average rather than single day returns .......

[los dedos]

17 minutes ago, January47 said:

I think you would be surprised how much is going on still. Take the food and drink industry where  I work. Almost all production is still going on. That means you also need the people to make the packaging, the logistics people, the engineers who sell and service the equipment, the farmers and associated agricultural industry etc etc as well as the people making the food. Someone told me their company who make and service tills for supermarkets have never been as busy.

i know it’s its the same in pharma and the massive related healthcare sector.

then add to that police, hospitals etc.

 

Be interesting to know how many people on this board are still working

Yes your right to expand on it . Printers to print the packageing. The equipment needs parts nut, bolts etc . I know of two family members that are working that at first you wouldn't think their industry's were essential. But they are busier as the food industry are .