Corona Virus

[Alf Bentley]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

Bingpot.

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Milo said:

But it doesn't really mention EU nationals working as nurses in the NHS being a burden on the NHS, does it?

 

That was the kind of context that was being put out by the tweet that was shared earlier.

 

As you can see, the tweet doesn't mention EU nationals working as nurses being a burden. It says that in 2016 Johnson (as leader of Vote Leave) said "EU citizens were a burden on the NHS".

 

I think the quote I've provided supports that allegation, as I've explained.

 

I'll leave it there now as I don't want to side-track the thread into a Brexit debate.

 

 

[bovril]

Everything is political though, there's no escaping it. If you can't politicise governments' responses to public health crises then you can't politicise anything.

[Milo]

1 minute ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

 

As you can see, the tweet doesn't mention EU nationals working as nurses being a burden. It says that in 2016 Johnson (as leader of Vote Leave) said "EU citizens were a burden on the NHS".

 

I think the quote I've provided supports that allegation, as I've explained.

 

I'll leave it there now as I don't want to side-track the thread into a Brexit debate.

 

 

Read into it what you choose to see. 

 

But yes, best left alone.

[Lionator]

I will make a prediction that we won't require mass production of the vaccine. 

 

We will need one but only for the most vulnerable.

[Nod.E]

46 minutes ago, SystonFox said:

Are you suggesting that we just carry on regardless, let 50,000 or so humans die so we can have a decent future? Am I really reading that or have I completely misread?

Hundreds of thousands die every year in the UK from diseases related to obesity, but McDonald's is still open. We just 'carry on regardless', don't we? 

 

50,000 sounds like a big number but in the grand scheme of things, it is not.

 

The sacrifices aren't worth it. If they were we'd be doing more to stop other preventable deaths. Don't see how this is any different.

[Suzie the Fox]

Disagree the thread Is for corona virus not what bloody party you are more affiliated too or which politician is more of a twat than the other.  

[Finnaldo]

5 minutes ago, bovril said:

Everything is political though, there's no escaping it. If you can't politicise governments' responses to public health crises then you can't politicise anything.

But I only like to criticise politicians when their politics is something I’m averse to 

 

You know for Conservatives, it sounds an awful lot like Democratic Centralism...

 

”They’re the government, they made the decision so it can’t be wrong and anything that goes wrong is because people are criticising it rather than just pretending it’s all fine and dandy” 

 

 And I thought Corbyn lost the election... 

[Strokes]

4 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

No point pursuing this at length, but the item is headed "EU's Immigration System puts Pressure on the NHS". The message is that the overall impact of EU immigration is to put pressure on the NHS.

 

I don't see any counter-balancing reference to the benefits of EU immigration for the NHS: e.g. Luis and countless thousands of other NHS employees, not to mention the fact that EU immigrants pay more tax than they cost in extra NHS demand.

If it had mentioned any of that alongside references to "rising demand", you might have a point. But the whole purpose of the piece is to present EU migrants as a burden on the NHS.

 

And the idea that it's all about it being "hard to budget" is laughable. There is always a degree of unpredictability about demand for health services over time depending on multiple factors, including the economy, migration, cold weather, demographics, birth & death rates, epidemics (not usually as extreme as this one).....and his campaign clearly quoted precise figures for "live births" to migrant mothers & the alleged cost burden to the NHS (with no reference to the benefits).

 

Then there's the reference to the Brexit savings allowing us "to build a brand new, fully-staffed hospital every week". I look forward to that.

System is the key word in that title, not the migrants themselves.

If you find the fact that uncontrolled migration being difficult to budget for laughable, then you’ve lost the plot. We don’t know the numbers it’s quite simple. Of course there is always a degree of unpredictability to healthcare, which is precisely why we don’t need more unpredictability. His job wasn’t to present benefits it was to get you to understand the negatives, which are being intentionally misinterpreted by yourself and others to suit the agenda.

[VLC86]

15 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

Urrrgh I see we are back to politics again. I knew there was a reason I never used to enter that thread  

Agreed, let’s go back to talk of us all dying please.

[Parafox]

I've had my fair share of potential Covid jobs over the last couple of weeks but today I went to my first death in the community which was more than likely Covid related.

47 yr old chap with a disabled wife in her 40's who was totally dependent on him as her carer. He had no underlying health concerns although he was massively obese. He'd had a dry cough for 2 weeks, self isolated along with his wife. He went to the kitchen, and collapsed.

I'm first on scene, I go in with mask, gloves and apron and start chest compressions while the crew backing me up arrive a minute or so later. It takes them a good 3-4 mins to put on their full PPE; respirator hood, full coveralls and gloves, they then take over. I help out with trying to get IV access and getting the things they need for resus. IV access fails due mainly to the guy's size, the veins are buried under fatty tissue. So we try a  bone injection gun, which is a small drill to which we attach a needle and drill into the bone at an appropriate place. This also fails. We are unable to give any drugs we normally would in this situation. His airway is rubbish, he's throwing up mucus with every chest compression I did before the crew got in there so he was then intubated. CPR is as effective as possible given that he is lying in a very small kitchen with a lot of stuff and things getting in the way. We're having to stand over him and swap places to do any decent CPR. After 30 mins of trying it's decided there is no more we can do. He's been down and flatlined for 45 mins now and we can't get any kind of cardiac output. We stop.

I've already prepared his poor wife for the likely outcome but even so, she is distraught. Panicking. She needs him to be able to manage her daily life. What does she do now? Her dad was there, in his 70's to try to be there for her even though it was putting him at risk. You would, wouldn't you? 

I sat here before them, as she broke down. Scared, not knowing how she'd manage without her husband of only 6 years. She can't believe he's gone. She blames herself for not being able to help him because she was unable to due to her disability.

Quietly, we take our kit and paraphernalia off him and out of the house. We cover him with a blanket and ask his wife if she'd like to say goodbye. She declines. She wants to remember him as he was, not as he is now. I don't blame her.

We do all the necessary formal things we have to do at any death in the community. Then we sit and talk with his wife and her dad and try to explain that we did all we could. She has a learning disability. It's a massive blow to her. Her rock has gone.

I leave the crew in the house to do what they have to do and go back to my car.

I want to cry. For her. 

 

 

[thebartonfox]

8 minutes ago, Parafox said:

I've had my fair share of potential Covid jobs over the last couple of weeks but today I went to my first death in the community which was more than likely Covid related.

47 yr old chap with a disabled wife in her 40's who was totally dependent on him as her carer. He had no underlying health concerns although he was massively obese. He'd had a dry cough for 2 weeks, self isolated along with his wife. He went to the kitchen, and collapsed.

I'm first on scene, I go in with mask, gloves and apron and start chest compressions while the crew backing me up arrive a minute or so later. It takes them a good 3-4 mins to put on their full PPE; respirator hood, full coveralls and gloves, they then take over. I help out with trying to get IV access and getting the things they need for resus. IV access fails due mainly to the guy's size, the veins are buried under fatty tissue. So we try a  bone injection gun, which is a small drill to which we attach a needle and drill into the bone at an appropriate place. This also fails. We are unable to give any drugs we normally would in this situation. His airway is rubbish, he's throwing up mucus with every chest compression I did before the crew got in there so he was then intubated. CPR is as effective as possible given that he is lying in a very small kitchen with a lot of stuff and things getting in the way. We're having to stand over him and swap places to do any decent CPR. After 30 mins of trying it's decided there is no more we can do. He's been down and flatlined for 45 mins now and we can't get any kind of cardiac output. We stop.

I've already prepared his poor wife for the likely outcome but even so, she is distraught. Panicking. She needs him to be able to manage her daily life. What does she do now? Her dad was there, in his 70's to try to be there for her even though it was putting him at risk. You would, wouldn't you? 

I sat here before them, as she broke down. Scared, not knowing how she'd manage without her husband of only 6 years. She can't believe he's gone. She blames herself for not being able to help him because she was unable to due to her disability.

Quietly, we take our kit and paraphernalia off him and out of the house. We cover him with a blanket and ask his wife if she'd like to say goodbye. She declines. She wants to remember him as he was, not as he is now. I don't blame her.

We do all the necessary formal things we have to do at any death in the community. Then we sit and talk with his wife and her dad and try to explain that we did all we could. She has a learning disability. It's a massive blow to her. Her rock has gone.

I leave the crew in the house to do what they have to do and go back to my car.

I want to cry. For her. 

 

 

You’re a true hero man, thank you so much. 

[Parafox]

4 minutes ago, thebartonfox said:

You’re a true hero man, thank you so much. 

Thank you.

I can go home to my family, put my uniform in the wash, have a G and T and a shower. It's the people who's lives will be forever changed by this. That's what makes me sad.

[Charl91]

16 minutes ago, Parafox said:

I've had my fair share of potential Covid jobs over the last couple of weeks but today I went to my first death in the community which was more than likely Covid related.

47 yr old chap with a disabled wife in her 40's who was totally dependent on him as her carer. He had no underlying health concerns although he was massively obese. He'd had a dry cough for 2 weeks, self isolated along with his wife. He went to the kitchen, and collapsed.

I'm first on scene, I go in with mask, gloves and apron and start chest compressions while the crew backing me up arrive a minute or so later. It takes them a good 3-4 mins to put on their full PPE; respirator hood, full coveralls and gloves, they then take over. I help out with trying to get IV access and getting the things they need for resus. IV access fails due mainly to the guy's size, the veins are buried under fatty tissue. So we try a  bone injection gun, which is a small drill to which we attach a needle and drill into the bone at an appropriate place. This also fails. We are unable to give any drugs we normally would in this situation. His airway is rubbish, he's throwing up mucus with every chest compression I did before the crew got in there so he was then intubated. CPR is as effective as possible given that he is lying in a very small kitchen with a lot of stuff and things getting in the way. We're having to stand over him and swap places to do any decent CPR. After 30 mins of trying it's decided there is no more we can do. He's been down and flatlined for 45 mins now and we can't get any kind of cardiac output. We stop.

I've already prepared his poor wife for the likely outcome but even so, she is distraught. Panicking. She needs him to be able to manage her daily life. What does she do now? Her dad was there, in his 70's to try to be there for her even though it was putting him at risk. You would, wouldn't you? 

I sat here before them, as she broke down. Scared, not knowing how she'd manage without her husband of only 6 years. She can't believe he's gone. She blames herself for not being able to help him because she was unable to due to her disability.

Quietly, we take our kit and paraphernalia off him and out of the house. We cover him with a blanket and ask his wife if she'd like to say goodbye. She declines. She wants to remember him as he was, not as he is now. I don't blame her.

We do all the necessary formal things we have to do at any death in the community. Then we sit and talk with his wife and her dad and try to explain that we did all we could. She has a learning disability. It's a massive blow to her. Her rock has gone.

I leave the crew in the house to do what they have to do and go back to my car.

I want to cry. For her. 

 

 

Bloody hell, that's horrendous  

[Izzy]

I don't know how you do it @Parafox I really don't. No way I could do your job mate, you're made of much stronger stuff than me. Sounds like you did all you can. Stay safe.

[Dahnsouff]

I, like many on here I imagine, have no words to describe the awe and thanks in which people such as you are held @Parafox

Thank you 

 

[HankMarvin]

5 hours ago, Tuna said:

Wonder which newspaper will be the first to track down Jenny and Luis?

 

Leave them alone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8212427/PM-thanks-NHS-staff-life-saving-care-special-mention-two-medics.html

[Strokes]

47 minutes ago, Parafox said:

I've had my fair share of potential Covid jobs over the last couple of weeks but today I went to my first death in the community which was more than likely Covid related.

47 yr old chap with a disabled wife in her 40's who was totally dependent on him as her carer. He had no underlying health concerns although he was massively obese. He'd had a dry cough for 2 weeks, self isolated along with his wife. He went to the kitchen, and collapsed.

I'm first on scene, I go in with mask, gloves and apron and start chest compressions while the crew backing me up arrive a minute or so later. It takes them a good 3-4 mins to put on their full PPE; respirator hood, full coveralls and gloves, they then take over. I help out with trying to get IV access and getting the things they need for resus. IV access fails due mainly to the guy's size, the veins are buried under fatty tissue. So we try a  bone injection gun, which is a small drill to which we attach a needle and drill into the bone at an appropriate place. This also fails. We are unable to give any drugs we normally would in this situation. His airway is rubbish, he's throwing up mucus with every chest compression I did before the crew got in there so he was then intubated. CPR is as effective as possible given that he is lying in a very small kitchen with a lot of stuff and things getting in the way. We're having to stand over him and swap places to do any decent CPR. After 30 mins of trying it's decided there is no more we can do. He's been down and flatlined for 45 mins now and we can't get any kind of cardiac output. We stop.

I've already prepared his poor wife for the likely outcome but even so, she is distraught. Panicking. She needs him to be able to manage her daily life. What does she do now? Her dad was there, in his 70's to try to be there for her even though it was putting him at risk. You would, wouldn't you? 

I sat here before them, as she broke down. Scared, not knowing how she'd manage without her husband of only 6 years. She can't believe he's gone. She blames herself for not being able to help him because she was unable to due to her disability.

Quietly, we take our kit and paraphernalia off him and out of the house. We cover him with a blanket and ask his wife if she'd like to say goodbye. She declines. She wants to remember him as he was, not as he is now. I don't blame her.

We do all the necessary formal things we have to do at any death in the community. Then we sit and talk with his wife and her dad and try to explain that we did all we could. She has a learning disability. It's a massive blow to her. Her rock has gone.

I leave the crew in the house to do what they have to do and go back to my car.

I want to cry. For her. 

 

 

I read this 30 minutes ago or so and I just couldn’t think of an appropriate response I was so, well shocked. It’s a very graphic description it almost felt like I was living it.

How the hell it felt actually living I don’t know. You are most definitely a hero pal 👍🏻
I don’t know how you do what you every day, not a cat in hells chance I could.

[StanSP]

@Parafox that's heartbreaking to read and there's almost no words to write in response to it. All that can be said is that as a paramedic in normal circumstances we can only thank you and your colleagues for the life-saving work you do. In these kinds of times, that appreciation only gets bigger. One that confronts stressful and tragic situations with the utmost profession I'm sure. A hero for sure as well. Thank you for all you do. 

[Parafox]

35 minutes ago, Izzy said:

I don't know how you do it @Parafox I really don't. No way I could do your job mate, you're made of much stronger stuff than me. Sounds like you did all you can. Stay safe.

Thank you.

I hope people on here don't think I've posted for glory points or likes. I didn't. I just needed to offload and put it into words, which has helped me think about that job. That helps my coping mechanism. To all that have responded, I thank you. Stay safe and stay home. 

[SystonFox]

40 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Thank you.

I can go home to my family, put my uniform in the wash, have a G and T and a shower. It's the people who's lives will be forever changed by this. That's what makes me sad.

I do not envy the job you do. Please continue and keep it up. You, and all of your colleagues are absolute heroes. I clap for you. I think of you. 
 

 

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, Parafox said:

Thank you.

I hope people on here don't think I've posted for glory points or likes. I didn't. I just needed to offload and put it into words, which has helped me think about that job. That helps my coping mechanism. To all that have responded, I thank you. Stay safe and stay home. 

I don't think anyone thinks that!

 

[ithuriel]

3 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Thank you.

I hope people on here don't think I've posted for glory points or likes. I didn't. I just needed to offload and put it into words, which has helped me think about that job. That helps my coping mechanism. To all that have responded, I thank you. Stay safe and stay home. 

Things like this need to be said otherwise there are peeps who just will not take in what is actually happening.

You see those video blogs from nursing staff with awful comments from idiots but if the message is put out there enough, maybe even they will get the idea.

You take care and stay safe.

[joachim1965]

15 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Thank you.

I hope people on here don't think I've posted for glory points or likes. I didn't. I just needed to offload and put it into words, which has helped me think about that job. That helps my coping mechanism. To all that have responded, I thank you. Stay safe and stay home. 

You don't need to thank any of us mate, we thank you from the bottom of our hearts, you and your colleagues are true heroes, and the word hero is sometimes used too lightly, but not in this case, please stay strong and keep doing what you are doing , we really do need you.

[Thefox81]

1 hour ago, Parafox said:

I've had my fair share of potential Covid jobs over the last couple of weeks but today I went to my first death in the community which was more than likely Covid related.

47 yr old chap with a disabled wife in her 40's who was totally dependent on him as her carer. He had no underlying health concerns although he was massively obese. He'd had a dry cough for 2 weeks, self isolated along with his wife. He went to the kitchen, and collapsed.

I'm first on scene, I go in with mask, gloves and apron and start chest compressions while the crew backing me up arrive a minute or so later. It takes them a good 3-4 mins to put on their full PPE; respirator hood, full coveralls and gloves, they then take over. I help out with trying to get IV access and getting the things they need for resus. IV access fails due mainly to the guy's size, the veins are buried under fatty tissue. So we try a  bone injection gun, which is a small drill to which we attach a needle and drill into the bone at an appropriate place. This also fails. We are unable to give any drugs we normally would in this situation. His airway is rubbish, he's throwing up mucus with every chest compression I did before the crew got in there so he was then intubated. CPR is as effective as possible given that he is lying in a very small kitchen with a lot of stuff and things getting in the way. We're having to stand over him and swap places to do any decent CPR. After 30 mins of trying it's decided there is no more we can do. He's been down and flatlined for 45 mins now and we can't get any kind of cardiac output. We stop.

I've already prepared his poor wife for the likely outcome but even so, she is distraught. Panicking. She needs him to be able to manage her daily life. What does she do now? Her dad was there, in his 70's to try to be there for her even though it was putting him at risk. You would, wouldn't you? 

I sat here before them, as she broke down. Scared, not knowing how she'd manage without her husband of only 6 years. She can't believe he's gone. She blames herself for not being able to help him because she was unable to due to her disability.

Quietly, we take our kit and paraphernalia off him and out of the house. We cover him with a blanket and ask his wife if she'd like to say goodbye. She declines. She wants to remember him as he was, not as he is now. I don't blame her.

We do all the necessary formal things we have to do at any death in the community. Then we sit and talk with his wife and her dad and try to explain that we did all we could. She has a learning disability. It's a massive blow to her. Her rock has gone.

I leave the crew in the house to do what they have to do and go back to my car.

I want to cry. For her. 

 

 

You sir are an absolute hero. Keep up the great work we are all so proud of you 💙💙💙

[Wymsey]

Had quite a few Coronavirus 'queries' on a ward I work in in the last couple of weeks, but only around a quarter actually have had positive results back from the the labs.

 

Just one death, but the victim had underlying issues.

Was in his early-fifties.

 

Staff at LRI received free pizzas, chips etc today, following on from other 'thank you's from the generous people/companies who have provided them.

 

Edit: Forgot to mention well done to @Parafox and @z-layrex for your commitment and personal work updates on here.

Keep up the good work.