Coronavirus Thread

[Dunge]

35 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Not sure who Dunge is and i get the logic of your argument, but personally i think we absolutely should know why we've had our whole lives turned upside down for 2 years and counting, and probably forever more. Like most things in the world i assume the whole truth will never come out, however.

Hello. 

[Dunge]

24 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

I know 3 people who having had the Pfizer booster have developed swelling in their armpits, presumably lymph glands. 2 women 1 man. 2 have actually seen or spoke to their gp, who’ve basically told them there’s nothing to worry about. Anyone else had symptoms like these?

Someone I know from work has had something similar. It passes.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

28 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

I know 3 people who having had the Pfizer booster have developed swelling in their armpits, presumably lymph glands. 2 women 1 man. 2 have actually seen or spoke to their gp, who’ve basically told them there’s nothing to worry about. Anyone else had symptoms like these?

I woke up this morning like this, collarbone sore too but not horrendous. Bloody sore but I'm sure there's nothing to worry about. The booster wiped me out for Saturday and Sunday morning. Feel fine now - hilariously just been pinged and the only time I was out was on Saturday in the queue for the booster.

 

Just it working and I'd rather feel like this for a few days than get long covid.

[dsr-burnley]

29 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Woohoo....

Early evidence shows a “clear” drop in the effectiveness of current Covid-19 vaccines against the Omicron variant of coronavirus, according to the head of the European drugs regulator, who said it will take time to reach a consensus on whether variant-targeted vaccines will be needed.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/7de3bdd1-84a8-42ae-af37-2bbb8c584c49

Looking at the same thing on a free site, it seems that the EMA head is not making a statement about how ill people may or may not be.  She is saying that people infected with omicron have fewer antibodies early in the disease than people infected with delta.

 

Whether that is even relevant to how ill people get, isn't clear.  And even more crucially, how ill omicron variant makes you compared with delta variant is not addressed.  

 

https://news7h.com/ema-head-says-covid-vaccine-less-effective-against-omicron/

[CosbehFox]

Understand that we are stuck between a rock and hard place right now. Here's where I have a problem with our current situation and that's after nearly two years supportive of the steps being taken. 

 

- We have a vaccination which has in effect for 85% (latest study in regards to Omicron) of people made the virus become something manageable and treatable from home. Those of that do catch will have a level of immunity for a period of time. 

- We are (on adults) about 80% of the nation's population double vaccinated and 50% of boosted. Evidence suggests that the double vaccinations are not going to go much higher. 

- We have a new variant where we are being told that more data is required to assert its seriousness. However, projections are being made from minimal data. 

- We have a public now tired of the situation; compliance is waning and the services simply won't be able to keep control on it thanks to a government who've personally ignored the rules. 

- Now we have evidence that existing vaccines need adapting from the latest variant. Which could repeat annually. 

 

 

At what point do you accept that this could be a cycle of variants and rather than throwing money on track/trace and all the vaccination campaigns. Instead begin to invest on training medical staff, increasing ICU capacity, anti-viral medication and aftercare from recovery for those unfortunate enough to suffer badly. 

 

The current point of attacking this virus isn't working. Restrictions across the world are not working; they are too slow and too slack to truly work. We have to accept that a large section of the worlds population is never going to get vaccinated (the larger cities of this country currently sit on 60ish %).  That's even within established Western countries. And to round it off, you will catch it regardless of vaccination status. 

 

Those at the top have to start thinking out of the box. It's quite a 180 degree turn I've done recently but I just don't see the end to all if we carry on with this latest tactics. I have had enough. Personally I am not far off breaking point with it and its cycles of doom. 

Edited 20 December 2021 by Cardiff_Fox

[Corky]

Totally agree @Cardiff_Fox, excellent post. I agreed with the first lockdown as it was a new thing, the one earlier this year because infection rates had risen too high to carry on as normal plus the vaccination programme was in it's infancy.

 

Now we'll hopefully have most of the public triple vaccinated by early New Year, meaning protection (and a very strong one at that, it appears) by mid-January. And the point about the data is relevant- if we don't know enough as has been said regularly, how can the predictions of real doom (5k deaths a day, 2 million cases a day) be a real guidance?

[Finnaldo]

5 minutes ago, Corky said:

Totally agree @Cardiff_Fox, excellent post. I agreed with the first lockdown as it was a new thing, the one earlier this year because infection rates had risen too high to carry on as normal plus the vaccination programme was in it's infancy.

 

Now we'll hopefully have most of the public triple vaccinated by early New Year, meaning protection (and a very strong one at that, it appears) by mid-January. And the point about the data is relevant- if we don't know enough as has been said regularly, how can the predictions of real doom (5k deaths a day, 2 million cases a day) be a real guidance?

Our only real life reference point, South Africa, already seem to have potentially peaked as well, with very limited hospitalisations and deaths. 
 

Of course there’s differences and it’s not 1:1, although they have many drawbacks as they do advantages over us, but it’s highly encouraging either way. I can’t bear to think we’ll be in another lockdown, it would be the end of me.

[grobyfox1990]

14 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Understand that we are stuck un between a rock and hard place right now. Here's where I have a problem with our current situation and that's after nearly two years supportive of the steps being taken. 

 

- We have a vaccination which has in effect for 85% (latest study in regards to Omicron) of people made the virus become something manageable and treatable from home. Those of that do catch will have a level of immunity for a period of time. 

- We are (on adults) about 80% of the nation's population double vaccinated and 50% of boosted. Evidence suggests that the double vaccinations are not going to go much higher. 

- We have a new variant where we are being told that more data is required to assert its seriousness. However, projections are being made from minimal data. 

- We have a public now tired of the situation; compliance is waning and the services simply won't be able to keep control on it thanks to a government who've personally ignored the rules. 

- Now we have evidence that existing vaccines need adapting from the latest variant. Which could repeat annually. 

 

 

At what point do you accept that this could be a cycle of variants and rather than throwing money on track/trace and all the vaccination campaigns. Instead begin to invest on training medical staff, increasing ICU capacity, anti-viral medication and aftercare from recovery for those unfortunate enough to suffer badly. 

 

The current point of attacking this virus isn't working. Restrictions across the world are not working; they are too slow and too slack to truly work. We have to accept that a large section of the worlds population is never going to get vaccinated (the larger cities of this country currently sit on 60ish %).  That's even within established Western countries. And to round it off, you will catch it regardless of vaccination status. 

 

Those at the top have to start thinking out of the box. It's quite a 180 degree turn I've done recently but I just don't see the end to all if we carry on with this latest tactics. I have had enough. Personally I am not far off breaking point with it and its cycles of doom. 

Agreed with all of this. Well put. Personally, in respect of the bold part, i think this should have happened a year ago.

 

I will follow the new lockdown rules, to a certain extent, e.g im not gonna mess about with only going to the pub with 3 people from 1.5 households outdoors between 6-9pm and only have 2.5 beers of under 4.5%, but my heart will not be in it. I struggle to understand how and why anyone will believe in and follow the incoming nonsense rules. 

[Daggers]

59 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

No but I went for a run 2 days after my booster and I was quicker than the weeks before. Call it a coincidence but I think the boosters work!

I had mine in my penis. It took them an hour, mainly to find the microscope - and I can confirm it definitely doesn't work.

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

Our only real life reference point, South Africa, already seem to have potentially peaked as well, with very limited hospitalisations and deaths. 
 

Of course there’s differences and it’s not 1:1, although they have many drawbacks as they do advantages over us, but it’s highly encouraging either way. I can’t bear to think we’ll be in another lockdown, it would be the end of me.

Personally the whole situation with South Africa and the dismissal of its' doctors/data has stuck me has snobbery and bordering racism. The red list banning was again stupid in principle and has largely done nothing but of course, financially it's made some very rich. (It's not really been picking up the media the selective nature in which the quarantine hotels have been chosen). 

 

The UK and Europe were also largely dismissive of the data from Israel as well who were ahead of everyone on vaccination. 

[Matt_Lcfc]

44 deaths today & patients in ventilator beds at a two month low. Nobody can convince me that there is any justification for new restrictions.

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

5 hours ago, Sly said:

What will be, will be. 
 

Half the world ignored the imposed restrictions last year and plastered it on Facebook that they were dining with 15 other people.
 

If anything, they’ll get even more resistance this year. 
 

And why do I keep getting bloody texts to book my booster when I’m already booked in!? 
 

 

Get used to it, I’m still getting them 3 weeks after my booster 

[Leicester_Loyal]

They should have invested in the NHS staff 18 months ago, they failed to do so.

 

A few on here have commented that they are struggling lately, just want to say that there's always someone to talk to, either on here (PMs always open) or Samaritans or someone,

[Bert]

Sorry, but I’ll not be complying this time. Complied with everything over the past two years, triple jabbed, wear a mask where I’m “expected to” and for me the straw that broke the camels back was the people that ordered us to do all of these things, weren’t doing so themselves. Missed out on many special things and I’m just not prepared to do so again. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

18 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

44 deaths today & patients in ventilator beds at a two month low. Nobody can convince me that there is any justification for new restrictions.

We have to "wait two weeks". (Even though cases have been rising for about 6). 

[SpacedX]

19 minutes ago, Daggers said:

I had mine in my penis. It took them an hour, mainly to find the microscope - and I can confirm it definitely doesn't work.

"Nothing to worry about. Just a small pr*ck sir"

Edited 20 December 2021 by Line-X

[Matt_Lcfc]

6 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

We have to "wait two weeks". (Even though cases have been rising for about 6). 

But cases have been rising for six weeks like you say, this has not been mirrored by hospital admissions. Also, the data from South Africa suggests that the Omiricon variant is unlikely to increase hospitalisations.

 

Massive knee jerk reaction again.

Edited 20 December 2021 by Matt_Lcfc

[SpacedX]

12 minutes ago, Bert said:

Sorry, but I’ll not be complying this time. Complied with everything over the past two years, triple jabbed, wear a mask where I’m “expected to” and for me the straw that broke the camels back was the people that ordered us to do all of these things, weren’t doing so themselves. Missed out on many special things and I’m just not prepared to do so again. 

I absolutely understand your frustration and outrage - I feel the same, but that doesn't justify us doing it ourselves. I disagree, but f you don't feel compelled to abide by the restrictions, then it should be for reasons that you yourself have identified and determined and based upon your moral judgement - not in response to the folly of a bunch of tory ****wits in Westminster.  Your post is testament to the irreversible damage that they have done and no doubt your sentiment is echoed by many across the country 

Edited 20 December 2021 by Line-X

[bovril]

22 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

44 deaths today & patients in ventilator beds at a two month low. Nobody can convince me that there is any justification for new restrictions.

Source?

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

15 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

They should have invested in the NHS staff 18 months ago, they failed to do so.

 

A few on here have commented that they are struggling lately, just want to say that there's always someone to talk to, either on here (PMs always open) or Samaritans or someone,

Excellent advice, women will talk about absolutely anything (I’ve realised this from my partner who’s a midwife) but the majority of men skirt around issues especially those that are the most important, it’s not a sign of weakness to talk, whatever issues anyone has it really is good advice to find a friendly ear to listen.

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

17 minutes ago, Bert said:

Sorry, but I’ll not be complying this time. Complied with everything over the past two years, triple jabbed, wear a mask where I’m “expected to” and for me the straw that broke the camels back was the people that ordered us to do all of these things, weren’t doing so themselves. Missed out on many special things and I’m just not prepared to do so again. 

I think a lot of people will be feeling this way.

[Matt_Lcfc]

2 minutes ago, bovril said:

Source?

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
 

For context, just under 5000 were on ventilation during the peak last January.

[Daggers]

3 minutes ago, bovril said:

Source?

It's not at any marked low, it's +4 on last week, but it is pretty flatline and demonstrates no increase due to the new strain

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

[Munshi]

8pm Curfew being talked about now too? wtf will that achieve? bunch of bullshit that I’m hoping most people with common sense will be ignoring.

 

How on earth can they call a curfew a ‘light touch’ restriction too? 

Edited 20 December 2021 by Munshi

[Matt_Lcfc]

1 minute ago, Daggers said:

It's not at any marked low, it's +4 on last week, but it is pretty flatline and demonstrates no increase due to the new strain

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

This is true - it practically is though minus minuscule numbers. It has definitely fallen from October / November and stayed at flatline despite an increase in cases.