Coronavirus Thread

[steve555]

8 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Is it the case then that even if one person in a year group has a positive test, they've all got to self isolate for 2 weeks? If so then they'll be self isolating every 6-8 weeks!

This is my concern, that if even just 3 or 4 children test positive in one year group during the school year, they will miss 6-8 weeks of education, which even with home schooling is a lot to make up when they have exams in the summer.

[MonmoreStef]

10 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Can we - aren’t there restrictions that mean you can’t enter the Bolton area and stay overnight ???

I know a lad working up there for the last two weeks staying up there during the week. Whether he’s staying in the lockdown area or not I don’t know but he is definitely working all day in the town centre and will be in town tomorrow night. Either way plenty of places in the UK with far higher R rates than the countries that people are supposed to quarantine when returning from. 

[MonmoreStef]

1 hour ago, TOMMYG said:

This is my concern, that if even just 3 or 4 children test positive in one year group during the school year, they will miss 6-8 weeks of education, which even with home schooling is a lot to make up when they have exams in the summer.

Absolutely.  This working from home doesn’t work for some children either.  To many distractions and not all parents will be able to ensure they’ve done any work. My lad takes his exams as well next year and a stop start school year is going to be a massive handicap. 

[Md9]

12 hours ago, TOMMYG said:

My son is in year 11 at Groby,they were all sent home when they arrived at school on Wednesday has a year 11 pupil had tested positive. All year 11's have to self-isolate for 14 days & will return on 21st of Sept. They have been set work to do online, like they had in lockdown. This is a crucial year as he sits exams next summer, I worry what effect this will have, especially as I can see it happening again a few more times before this year is over. We were sent an email to say he had been in close contact with the child who had tested positive, but so far he shows no symptoms. Our other son goes to the same school but he still has to attend, even though the eldest as been in close proximity with someone who has tested positive.

My daughter said a couple of children went home from her class yesterday but wasn’t sure why. And one if the people in her class isn’t in today because she has a cold/ temp not been tested yet so school goes on as normal. I will have the same problem if she has to isolate I have 2 other children that will still be able to go school which doesn’t make sense to me. She has to stay home isolate the other 2 could take it in to school in 2 different years if she ends up getting it if it is tht they they have gone home with 

[filbertway]

 

This is why I'm not going back to the office unless I'm forced to. Can't be doing with the snitching, passive aggressive comments and being on your toes all the time. I'd be depressed as hell if I had to deal with that kind of environment day in day out

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-54096883

 

[Leicester_Loyal]

10 minutes ago, filbertway said:

 

This is why I'm not going back to the office unless I'm forced to. Can't be doing with the snitching, passive aggressive comments and being on your toes all the time. I'd be depressed as hell if I had to deal with that kind of environment day in day out

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-54096883

 

Nothing worse than a grass.

 

They were silly for doing that in a public office space though, even if you don't believe in it all you've got to be seen to be taking precautions.

Edited 11 September 2020 by Leicester_Loyal

[Nuneatonfox in Manchester]

RIP the events/hospitality industry. A family member will likely lose her job due to the council vetoing events throughout October.

That’s only a snippet of the true scale of this nonsense. Yet more redundancies and misery.

 What happens when people lose their jobs, their homes, their sanity, their lives?
 

I’m sure we’ll all be relieved not to have Covid though 🙄
 

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

My girlfriend has a kid to feed and keep a roof over her head, my job pays next to nothing and my hours have been cut. Why are the government failing to support the music, or any creative, industry? Or the individuals who are part of it? This is what gets my goat, my missus is 35 and without me and the help of her family she'd be evicted this month given she has almost no income. This isn't something that can continue long term, and she has lots of support. How are people without support meant to cope? They can't and won't. It's sickening and I refuse to believe having a society in debt and poverty, even homeless, is worse than a virus that seems to only affect the old and the vulnerable. Yes there are examples of people who are healthy and young having died, but I think these people should be allowed to survive as well, because a lot of them literally aren't going to with the music industry being closed for at least the rest of the year. 

[filbertway]

4 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

My girlfriend has a kid to feed and keep a roof over her head, my job pays next to nothing and my hours have been cut. Why are the government failing to support the music, or any creative, industry? Or the individuals who are part of it? This is what gets my goat, my missus is 35 and without me and the help of her family she'd be evicted this month given she has almost no income. This isn't something that can continue long term, and she has lots of support. How are people without support meant to cope? They can't and won't. It's sickening and I refuse to believe having a society in debt and poverty, even homeless, is worse than a virus that seems to only affect the old and the vulnerable. Yes there are examples of people who are healthy and young having died, but I think these people should be allowed to survive as well, because a lot of them literally aren't going to with the music industry being closed for at least the rest of the year. 

It must be horrible for her and you mate. I'm a big fan of live music, try and get to plenty of gigs throughout the year and it's just not right. They seem to have little to no support, from venues, to artists, to the people behind the scenes. A whole industry is getting shafted and there's barely a mention of it.

 

The only thing I can think of is that the govt are fairly confident that a vaccine will be ready this side of christmas and they'll open things up fairly quickly then. If there's no sign of a vaccine by christmas, they have to open up or too many people are gonna be ruined financially and lose jobs and houses. Anybody that's loving this version of life lite, can continue knocking about in their house and ordering shopping online.

 

Good luck to the government when it comes to paying back what they've borrowed when half the people that should be paying taxes are having to claim benefits.

 

 

[MonmoreStef]

A lad I know was telling me about his ex.  She lives with his daughter who’s in her mid 20s and the mum has just been laid off from her retail job. Goes to see what she’s entitled to benefits wise and because the daughter lives with her and works, minimum wage job, she’s not entitled to benefits.  They have now got to lie and claim the daughter now lives with him, so changing her bank and car etc to make it look real, just so the ex can claim.  So basically having to commit benefit fraud rightly or wrongly, I don’t know.  Will be many more people who when they go for help having lost their job will be shocked to find how hard it is to get.

[Finnaldo]

1 minute ago, MonmoreStef said:

A lad I know was telling me about his ex.  She lives with his daughter who’s in her mid 20s and the mum has just been laid off from her retail job. Goes to see what she’s entitled to benefits wise and because the daughter lives with her and works, minimum wage job, she’s not entitled to benefits.  They have now got to lie and claim the daughter now lives with him, so changing her bank and car etc to make it look real, just so the ex can claim.  So basically having to commit benefit fraud rightly or wrongly, I don’t know.  Will be many more people who when they go for help having lost their job will be shocked to find how hard it is to get.

What an awful position to be in, I hope she gets it sorted and gets back on her feet. 
 

Stories like this go to show what some rags have been peddling about ‘benefit spongers’ and ‘easy handouts’ is a bunch of shite. Societies are judged on how the most vulnerable members are treated and we’ve seemed to forsaken this idea in the name of punishing those who are already locked down. Hopefully this is one of the many social aspects we take a hard look at once this is over.

[Leicester_Loyal]

26 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

My girlfriend has a kid to feed and keep a roof over her head, my job pays next to nothing and my hours have been cut. Why are the government failing to support the music, or any creative, industry? Or the individuals who are part of it? This is what gets my goat, my missus is 35 and without me and the help of her family she'd be evicted this month given she has almost no income. This isn't something that can continue long term, and she has lots of support. How are people without support meant to cope? They can't and won't. It's sickening and I refuse to believe having a society in debt and poverty, even homeless, is worse than a virus that seems to only affect the old and the vulnerable. Yes there are examples of people who are healthy and young having died, but I think these people should be allowed to survive as well, because a lot of them literally aren't going to with the music industry being closed for at least the rest of the year. 

 

7 minutes ago, MonmoreStef said:

A lad I know was telling me about his ex.  She lives with his daughter who’s in her mid 20s and the mum has just been laid off from her retail job. Goes to see what she’s entitled to benefits wise and because the daughter lives with her and works, minimum wage job, she’s not entitled to benefits.  They have now got to lie and claim the daughter now lives with him, so changing her bank and car etc to make it look real, just so the ex can claim.  So basically having to commit benefit fraud rightly or wrongly, I don’t know.  Will be many more people who when they go for help having lost their job will be shocked to find how hard it is to get.

When my ex lost her job at the back end of 2019, she was told she had to wait about 5 weeks before she got any form of benefits, she managed to snag 3 weeks temp work just before the 5 weeks were up, so when she went back after the 3 weeks she was then told she had to start the process again and wait another few weeks. A few weeks later she got a tax rebate, so they then told her she had to wait longer again as a result of this. She was dwindling her savings down with every bill payment, so I started paying the major ones for her, this carried on for about 4 months until she finally got the job she wanted.

 

The system is ****ed if you're a hardworking, honest and decent person, especially if you don't have any kids.

[Leicester_Loyal]

14 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

What an awful position to be in, I hope she gets it sorted and gets back on her feet. 
 

Stories like this go to show what some rags have been peddling about ‘benefit spongers’ and ‘easy handouts’ is a bunch of shite. Societies are judged on how the most vulnerable members are treated and we’ve seemed to forsaken this idea in the name of punishing those who are already locked down. Hopefully this is one of the many social aspects we take a hard look at once this is over.

Some are though tbf. Birds I went school with earn more than me, they've never done a days work in their lives, but they've got 5 kids, their house is paid for every month and their payments are after tax.

 

Kids and kids with disabilities seem to be the key to getting the higher benefit payments, I've got a family member who's having kid number 7 next year, again, hardly worked a day in her life, happy to live off the state and always will, sad really.

Edited 11 September 2020 by Leicester_Loyal

[leicsmac]

WRT current discussion:

 

We don't know enough about the effects of this virus to be sure that it won't in fact affect everyone (not just the old and vulnerable, more people have underlying medical conditions than you think) should everything get opened up again. Gambling and getting that wrong would result in nothing less than a wholesale collapse of the medical infrastructure in the UK, with all the fun and games that entails. That seems like a terribly foolhardy chance to take without a vaccine available just yet.

 

That being said, not supporting the people who would have to stay at home adequately and letting livelihoods go to the wall because people cannot work is not only cruel, it's counterproductive - as the discussion on here has shown, people don't care about risk when their pockets are empty or they might be empty soon, and so they will do as they wish and the virus will spread anyway.

 

Half measures/targeting specific areas and demographics with a flexible approach might work in some places. It doesn't seem to be doing so in the UK, and is causing more harm socially (and this through viral transmission) than it is stopping.

 

Obviously they're looking for the option that costs the least, but the powers that be might end up with a course of action that is so indecisive it ends up costing more than either of the "absolute" options (open everything up or lock it all down) would long term.

[Finnaldo]

2 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Some are though tbf. Birds I went school with earn more than me, they've never done a days wage in their lives, but they've got 5 kids, their house is paid for every month and their payments are after tax.

 

Kids and kids with disabilities seem to be the key to getting the higher benefit payments, I've got a family member who's having kid number 7 next year, again, hardly worked a day in her life, happy to live off the state and always will, sad really.

I’m under no illusion folks happy to live off the State exist. They probably earn more than me too, but these people will never have any social mobility, they’ll likely never achieve in a career or life. I plan to and I’m quite happy with that. 
 

The thing is, we could demonise those people, make benefits harder to get to spite them and then leave the hardworking people who fall on hard times to suffer as well, or provide for both so no one goes desperate, destitute and suffering. 
 

As an aside, my personal opinion that in the next few decades, as our development of AI expands and increases, we’ll see plenty of manual and office jobs rendered obsolete anyway. What do you do when you leave a policy of punishing non-workers when jobs are no longer a given or enough to go around? But that’s another point...

[yorkie1999]

10 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

I’m under no illusion folks happy to live off the State exist. They probably earn more than me too, but these people will never have any social mobility, they’ll likely never achieve in a career or life. I plan to and I’m quite happy with that. 
 

The thing is, we could demonise those people, make benefits harder to get to spite them and then leave the hardworking people who fall on hard times to suffer as well, or provide for both so no one goes desperate, destitute and suffering. 
 

As an aside, my personal opinion that in the next few decades, as our development of AI expands and increases, we’ll see plenty of manual and office jobs rendered obsolete anyway. What do you do when you leave a policy of punishing non-workers when jobs are no longer a given or enough to go around? But that’s another point...

The only solution will be for people to retire earlier. If someone retires at 50 instead of 65, they create 15 years worth of employment. What we're doing at the moment is increasing the length of education to keep the unemployment figures down, which is the wrong end of work cycle.

[filbertway]

2 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Nothing worse than a grass.

 

They were silly for doing that in a public office space though, even if you don't believe in it all you've got to be seen to be taking precautions.

Yeah, that's why I don't want to be in. Can't be arsed with the pretense. I don't believe in doing something because it's expected, I'm happy with my moral code. I won't break the law but I'm not gonna put on a show because it's what's expected. It's why I'll never be in management at any level  

[filbertway]

Anyway, don't worry everyone. The coronovirus app is coming out on 24th September and is using "cutting-edge technology". So we'll probably be pretty sound by the start of October.

[Leicester_Loyal]

'Households in Birmingham have been banned from mixing in new lockdown measures announced following a spike in coronavirus cases'

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-54117532

[yorkie1999]

15 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

'Households in Birmingham have been banned from mixing in new lockdown measures announced following a spike in coronavirus cases'

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-54117532

The restrictions were not about "prevention of schools, workplaces, transport" but about mixing of households,

 

But surely the people in schools and workplaces come from households.

[Big Dave]

15 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

The restrictions were not about "prevention of schools, workplaces, transport" but about mixing of households,

 

But surely the people in schools and workplaces come from households.

Yes, but people have to go to work and school, they do not need to socialise.

[Col city fan]

Rates are going up across the UK

This is going to be incredibly confusing this winter I reckon

Coughs and sneezes, is it going to be a common cold, flu, or Covid?

The tests have got to be so readily available and everyone has got to take wearing their masks very seriously 

Edited 11 September 2020 by Col city fan

[String fellow]

With the national R number now back above one, I've a sneaking suspicion that the government has looked at the latest data and is bracing itself for the possibility of the country returning to something akin to the dire state that it was in back in late March and April, despite the mitigation measures which have been introduced since then. If we do need to return to a nationwide lock-down, I hope that it'll be better policed this time, with no repeats of the Cummings nonsense, and with all four home nations having the same rules. Imo, local lock-downs are so porous that they're almost completely useless.      

[yorkie1999]

41 minutes ago, Big Dave said:

Yes, but people have to go to work and school, they do not need to socialise.

Spoken like a true dictator

[SpacedX]

37 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Rates are going up across the UK

This is going to be incredibly confusing this winter I reckon

Coughs and sneezes, is it going to be a common cold, flu, or Covid?

The tests have got to be so readily available and everyone has got to take wearing their masks very seriously 

Sneezes would actually be indicative of a common cold and a way to differentiate from Covid19.