Coronavirus Thread

[FLAN]

On 28/05/2021 at 14:40, FoxesDeb said:

If you're local to Leicester, probably the same 2 that I knew. 

Has this been reported anywhere?

[Soup]

2 hours ago, FLAN said:

Has this been reported anywhere?

Not part of the narrative is it. Just like the hundreds of thousands protesting in London yesterday. 

[harpendenfox]

4 minutes ago, Soup said:

Not part of the narrative is it. Just like the hundreds of thousands protesting in London yesterday. 

I’m all for freedom of speech and assembly. But the videos of marchers protesting in Westfield shopping centre yesterday send me to new levels of rage. What precisely are they protesting against? Restrictions are being eased. You are not forced to have a vaccine if you don’t want one. They could have  gone to a pub with friends, had a BBQ, gone on a shopping spree, gone to the cinema, but no, they went on a protest. Grrr.

[Dr The Singh]

On 28/05/2021 at 15:59, Nuneatonfox in Manchester said:

Off to get my Pfizer jab now, hopefully il still be  able to get go out and get pished tomorrow

I had mine while being pished, no side effects from the vaccine, only the a 7 day hangover.

[FoxesDeb]

3 hours ago, FLAN said:

Has this been reported anywhere?

Not that I'm aware of

[FLAN]

1 hour ago, Soup said:

Not part of the narrative is it. Just like the hundreds of thousands protesting in London yesterday. 

I’ve seen the protests on the tv?

[VLC86]

4 hours ago, FLAN said:

Has this been reported anywhere?

This is my concern re the press and the vaccine. I haven’t seen anything reported about the people that have been very ill or died from the vaccine. I can understand it to a certain degree but that silence builds into the narrative of questioning around the real impact of it.

 

I can understand it to a certain degree and vaccination is still the way out of this for the world but I would like to see honest reporting of the issue, and I’m not sure we have.

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

This is my concern re the press and the vaccine. I haven’t seen anything reported about the people that have been very ill or died from the vaccine. I can understand it to a certain degree but that silence builds into the narrative of questioning around the real impact of it.

 

I can understand it to a certain degree and vaccination is still the way out of this for the world but I would like to see honest reporting of the issue, and I’m not sure we have.

Personally I can't see why the press would sit on a story involving vaccine deaths when such a thing would sell massively. I don't buy them being that loyal to the government of the day nor to the ideal of preventing panic.

[VLC86]

8 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Personally I can't see why the press would sit on a story involving vaccine deaths when such a thing would sell massively. I don't buy them being that loyal to the government of the day nor to the ideal of preventing panic.

I see that, but have you seen anything about these stories? I’ve heard of 4 people with adverse reactions and also was speaking to a nurse yesterday who said similar.

 

And I’m sorry to anyone that has been personally affected by this as I know a few of you have.

Edited 30 May 2021 by Costock_Fox

[leicsmac]

11 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

I see that, but have you seen anything about these stories? I’ve heard of 4 people with adverse reactions and also was speaking to a nurse yesterday who said similar.

 

And I’m sorry to anyone that has been personally affected by this as I know a few of you have.

I'm sorry about that too.

 

However, before this can move from some very tragic anecdotes to a conspiracy involving the media at large covering up the dark side of these vaccines more evidence is needed to suggest why the media would get themselves involved in such a conspiracy when presenting the truth would suit them just as well if not more.

[VLC86]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

I'm sorry about that too.

 

However, before this can move from some very tragic anecdotes to a conspiracy involving the media at large covering up the dark side of these vaccines more evidence is needed to suggest why the media would get themselves involved in such a conspiracy when presenting the truth would suit them just as well if not more.

I’m not getting into conspiracy territory because I’m not an antivaxer and dont want people labelling me as such but have a think about how it would benefit everyone should the country open up again.

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

I’m not getting into conspiracy territory because I’m not an antivaxer and dont want people labelling me as such but have a think about how it would benefit everyone should the country open up again.

Absolutely.

 

But operating purely on self-interest, a story about the vaccine being unsafe would generate clicks and sales of copy galore and thus great short-term profit. I can't understand all the media outlets passing that up if there really was something wrong. Don' get me wrong, I'm not going to reject the idea out of hand, but if the media are going to behave in this way and not in another there needs to be more explanation of their motive for doing so to support such assertions before they can be considered really credible IMO.

[VLC86]

Just now, leicsmac said:

Absolutely.

 

But operating purely on self-interest, a story about the vaccine being unsafe would generate clicks and sales of copy galore and thus great short-term profit. I can't understand all the media outlets passing that up if there really was something wrong. Don' get me wrong, I'm not going to reject the idea out of hand, but if the media are going to behave in this way and not in another there needs to be more explanation of their motive for doing so to support such assertions before they can be considered really credible IMO.

I’m not staying a media wide conspiracy cover up, but I am shocked I haven’t seen more coverage and that makes me a little suspicious is my point.

[leicsmac]

12 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

I’m not staying a media wide conspiracy cover up, but I am shocked I haven’t seen more coverage and that makes me a little suspicious is my point.

And that is fair enough.

[reynard]

 I can't see any way in which the total relaxation planned for 21st June can go ahead right now without risking a huge increase in infection levels.

In Leicestershire in the 7 days up to and including 24th May infection numbers increased by 61%. Although from a low base it wouldn't take long for the situation to rapidly get out of control. This increase is not just in the city but in all but 2 districts in the county there were increases.

I sense a change in mood music from health professionals who are starting to raise concerns that they will not be able to catch up with the huge backlog in regular treatments if they get a covid surge.

[Soup]

2 hours ago, FLAN said:

I’ve seen the protests on the tv?

Wow that's a first. Unless you mean the small gathering at Westfield shopping centre which was not the main protest..if the media did show the hundreds of thousands on Oxford Street then fair play.

[leicsmac]

17 minutes ago, Soup said:

Wow that's a first. Unless you mean the small gathering at Westfield shopping centre which was not the main protest..if the media did show the hundreds of thousands on Oxford Street then fair play.

Assuming that the "MSM conspiracy" line here is somehow true and there were a great many people in London yesterday....

 

3 hours ago, harpendenfox said:

I’m all for freedom of speech and assembly. But the videos of marchers protesting in Westfield shopping centre yesterday send me to new levels of rage. What precisely are they protesting against? Restrictions are being eased. You are not forced to have a vaccine if you don’t want one. They could have  gone to a pub with friends, had a BBQ, gone on a shopping spree, gone to the cinema, but no, they went on a protest. Grrr.

This becomes a valid question to ask.

[Soup]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

Assuming that the "MSM conspiracy" line here is somehow true and there were a great many people in London yesterday....

 

This becomes a valid question to ask.

Vaccines passports moving forward and lockdowns which are too strong and go on far too long. Also the general message that it's not just a few cranks that are not.happy with what is going on.

 

If we have another lockdown this winter as long and as hard as the last i just don't know what I'll do, and I'm a very positive person usually 

[leicsmac]

20 minutes ago, Soup said:

Vaccines passports moving forward and lockdowns which are too strong and go on far too long. Also the general message that it's not just a few cranks that are not.happy with what is going on.

 

If we have another lockdown this winter as long and as hard as the last i just don't know what I'll do, and I'm a very positive person usually 

Thank you.

 

Well, concerning the first I would think it would depend on what exactly you will need a vaccine to do, which is far from clear, and concerning the second a mass gathering seems to be the fastest way to get exactly what you don't want to get (more lockdowns) so it seems a bit counterproductive.

 

Still, such things are rarely subject to rationality.

[Super_horns]

Get the feeling it won't be quite the end of the restrictions on June 21st as people hoped but anyone who has had the vaccine twice are pretty safe from COVID.

Edited 30 May 2021 by Super_horns

[Soup]

54 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Thank you.

 

Well, concerning the first I would think it would depend on what exactly you will need a vaccine to do, which is far from clear, and concerning the second a mass gathering seems to be the fastest way to get exactly what you don't want to get (more lockdowns) so it seems a bit counterproductive.

 

Still, such things are rarely subject to rationality.

Considering these events are being held every weekend all over the world and have been for months speaks volumes doesn't it? Obviously I'm not expert but if there were big spikes happening surly the dots would've been put together by now. 

[leicsmac]

32 minutes ago, Soup said:

Considering these events are being held every weekend all over the world and have been for months speaks volumes doesn't it? Obviously I'm not expert but if there were big spikes happening surly the dots would've been put together by now. 

That's actually a fair point, indoor events seem to have been the main drivers in the past.

 

I do still wonder though about why there would be protests in the UK about a scenario that three weeks from now might be relegated to the purely theoretical, luck willing.

[Soup]

13 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I do still wonder though about why there would be protests in the UK about a scenario that three weeks from now might be relegated to the purely theoretical, luck willing.

They're all probably sceptical and overly cynical like me haha.

[Dr The Singh]

Peeps today aren't wearing masks etc, the while thing is a farce and deaths are reducing and so generally hospital admissions.

 

I think asking as we are vaxxing we are ok

[FoxesDeb]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Absolutely.

 

But operating purely on self-interest, a story about the vaccine being unsafe would generate clicks and sales of copy galore and thus great short-term profit. I can't understand all the media outlets passing that up if there really was something wrong. Don' get me wrong, I'm not going to reject the idea out of hand, but if the media are going to behave in this way and not in another there needs to be more explanation of their motive for doing so to support such assertions before they can be considered really credible IMO.

If by that you mean 'have two people in their thirties really died in Leicester as a direct result of the vaccine on the same weekend', I can tell you categorically that they have. 

 

Quite why it hasn't been picked up by the media, and indeed whether or not the same story is replicated UK wide, I have absolutely no idea. I do find it very, very hard to believe that deaths from the vaccine are not more widespread based on what I know though, what are the odds otherwise? 

 

Anyone who has read anything I've ever contributed to this thread knows that I am about as far from being a conspiracy theorist as is possible, and I'm certainly not an anti vaxxer. But the differences between what I know has actually happened to people I knew, versus what I have seen reported in the media, makes me feel very nervous.