Coronavirus Thread

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

There will be chaos if they delay the lifting of all restrictions, this country is a melting pot waiting to explode. I wouldn't want to be the decision makers in this country.

I genuinely believe they'll be people going mad celebrating (like the 21st is still the unlocking day) and others kicking off elsewhere.

 

1 hour ago, The People's Hero said:

The only real question mark now is whether they put another date in place?

But would anyone believe them? In 3 weeks it'll be well cases are higher now than they were 3 weeks ago, so we should delay reopening again for another few weeks. In August it'll be the booster jab will be along soon so we should delay it for another month or so, they'll always be an excuse to delay, but at some point we've just got to bite the bullet and get back to normal.

[z-layrex]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

@z-layrex Something I've been wondering, once you've had 2 jabs, will you be able to work without the mad amount of PPE that's been required the past 14 months or so?

You can still carry and transmit the virus after 2 jabs so yeah we are still in ffp3 masks. I think it may be a permanent thing for the next few years, it's ****ing horrible spending your entire working life in these masks tbh and I'm so tired of it. I so badly want to leave ICU and even Nursing, but it's all I've ever known.

 

I might try looking at Perfusion trainee posts next year, but they are near impossible to get.

Edited 1 June 2021 by z-layrex

[Nuneatonfox in Manchester]

2 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

I see the "young people don't want the vaccine" crap is being banded around again. Funny that when clinics are run and offered to anyone over the ago of 18, young people queue up all day to get it, Twickenham this weekend for example. I've come across one person in 6 months under 30 that was skeptical, and he was convinced in about 5 minutes after a chat with our mate who's at medical school. 

 

The under 30s aren't the issue here but are an easy scapegoat as usual. 

There does seem to have been a shift in attitude of young people generally, a lot more seemingly receptive to taking it thankfully. 

 

Still according to stats a huge problem with Black African, Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities though which has been a major hurdle from day 1 and still is. 

[Super_horns]

3 minutes ago, Nuneatonfox in Manchester said:

There does seem to have been a shift in attitude of young people generally, a lot more seemingly receptive to taking it thankfully. 

 

Still according to stats a huge problem with Black African, Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities though which has been a major hurdle from day 1 and still is. 

I don’t want to sound rude but is that reflected in the areas most affected by the Indian variant.

 

Places with a larger Asian populations?
 

Sorry if I have got that wrong.

[foxile5]

2 hours ago, Tommy G said:

A complete joke is they deviate from 21st June, the Govt will lose any form of credibility it has remaining. BJ focused on ''irreversible easing of lockdown'' and if at the final hurlde they reverse then wow.

Therein lies the problem. The man isn't a leader. He deals in hyperbole and absolutes which leave little room for contingency. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

23 minutes ago, Nuneatonfox in Manchester said:

There does seem to have been a shift in attitude of young people generally, a lot more seemingly receptive to taking it thankfully. 

 

Still according to stats a huge problem with Black African, Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities though which has been a major hurdle from day 1 and still is. 

Yeah that is still the elephant in the room which people feel uncomfortable calling out. 

[KFS]

“Young people don’t want the vaccine” is nonsense. The problem is this stupid age tier system that is being used while media up and down the country laud this ‘amazing’ roll out effort, all the while other countries have made it available to 16+ knowing that opening bars etc would create movement of people of all generations. 
 

I am so so sick of this thing and I can’t wait to see my family again. So tiring.

[Kasey Keller]

Nightclubs with more delays 

hospitality is in fecking tatters.

[OrielCaziado]

If he delays opening in June I think I we are screwed regarding re opening properly any time this year. Surely the figures will not get get noticeably better than now meaning they’ll keep extending until finally the autumn/winter will be upon us and figures will inevitably rise. For me it’s a simple it’s now or never. Either the vaccine is doing it’s job or it’s not. Single figure deaths suggest it’s a massive success. 

[Super_horns]

And everyone should be vaccinated at least once pretty soon ? 

Those over 18 anyway .

[dsr-burnley]

1 hour ago, Super_horns said:

I don’t want to sound rude but is that reflected in the areas most affected by the Indian variant.

 

Places with a larger Asian populations?
 

Sorry if I have got that wrong.

No, that's very much the case.  I saw three maps of Bolton, about two or three weeks ago, with colour shading of (1) places where there is most coronavirus, (2) places where most Asians live, (3) places where vaccinations are lowest.  It might as well have been the same map three times over.  

 

The low number of vaccinations is directly correlated with the high number of Asians, that's pretty certain.  It has been noted, and apparently can be said, that Asians are less likely to have taken up the vaccine.  As for the rest, whether the high coronavirus is because of the low vaccination, or whether it is connected to the high number of Asians regardless of vaccine - that's uncertain because it isn't being talked about.  Are Asians are more genetically likely to get the disease?  We don't know.  Do Asian lifestyles make them more likely to get the disease (and by "Asian lifestyles", I mean principally the habit of multi-generational households and keeping old people at home to be looked after rather than old folks' homes)?  We don't know.  That's the sort of question that isn't being talked about.

 

Incidentally, by "high proportion of Asians", it's 60% plus in at least one ward of Bolton.  Deifinitely high enough to make a large statisitcal difference.  And by "Asian", I mean people with brown skin, people whose ancestors came from the Indian subcontinent.  I don't like the term "Asian" because it's obviously inaccurate, but that's the usual term to use for people of Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi ancestry.

[Guest Lcfc82]

52 minutes ago, OrielCaziado said:

If he delays opening in June I think I we are screwed regarding re opening properly any time this year. Surely the figures will not get get noticeably better than now meaning they’ll keep extending until finally the autumn/winter will be upon us and figures will inevitably rise. For me it’s a simple it’s now or never. Either the vaccine is doing it’s job or it’s not. Single figure deaths suggest it’s a massive success. 

This is how I see it. If things can’t be opened back up fully now then when can they be ? We’re Just going to get stuck in a never ending cycle of restrictions.

[Leicester_Loyal]

16 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

And everyone should be vaccinated at least once pretty soon ? 

Those over 18 anyway .

I think they'll all have been offered it by the end of June or so? They might push first vaccines a bit more to get as many people as possible done by June 21st.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Scotland have pushed opening up back a month and evidence that hospital admissions are creeping up.

 

We all know what happens next over here.....

[KrefelderFox666]

3 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Scotland have pushed opening up back a month and evidence that hospital admissions are creeping up.

 

We all know what happens next over here.....

I think if they can convince people they need just that extra 2 weeks to assess the impact of the variant and give more vaccinations out, then people can accept that. However, they must be very clear on their plans for the next steps and explain the situation to people.

 

Personally, I think we are back to a sort of normal now (pubs/restaurants are open in and out, holidays can be taken in the UK and some abroad, mixing indoors with family to an extent etc.). Of course, there are lots of businesses who need this next step but rather wait another 2 to 3 weeks in the hope that we never return. What we don't want is to open up and then shut again when it's gone wrong.

[harpendenfox]

36 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

This is how I see it. If things can’t be opened back up fully now then when can they be ? We’re Just going to get stuck in a never ending cycle of restrictions.

I totally understand your frustration, but I don't think it is as bleak as that. Effectively we need the vast majority of adults to have had 2 vaccines to be through this. We are close to that, but not quite close enough. Right now we are on a knifeedge. Cases are going up, but at the moment the number of people in hospital is slightly down on where it was a month ago. We need to see what happens in the next 2 to 3 weeks. I am reasonably confident that the next level of opening up, currently scheduled for 3 weeks today, will be delayed to around July 15th, and that by then, it will be safe to open up virtually completely. I have been on the cautious end of things through this, and I think caution is sensible to ensure we don't go back into a major lockdown, which would be utterly soul destroying for everyone. We are getting through this.

 

[Guest Lcfc82]

16 minutes ago, harpendenfox said:

I totally understand your frustration, but I don't think it is as bleak as that. Effectively we need the vast majority of adults to have had 2 vaccines to be through this. We are close to that, but not quite close enough. Right now we are on a knifeedge. Cases are going up, but at the moment the number of people in hospital is slightly down on where it was a month ago. We need to see what happens in the next 2 to 3 weeks. I am reasonably confident that the next level of opening up, currently scheduled for 3 weeks today, will be delayed to around July 15th, and that by then, it will be safe to open up virtually completely. I have been on the cautious end of things through this, and I think caution is sensible to ensure we don't go back into a major lockdown, which would be utterly soul destroying for everyone. We are getting through this.

 

I admire your optimism.

But surely hospitalisations and deaths are what we need to be looking at and they are never going to be much lower than they currently are.

 

if it gets left another 2-3 weeks it’s another 2-3 for the MSM and the scientists to come up with more scare stories like variants etc and start banging the drum and pushing for it to be extended even further. 

The way it’s playing out seems to me like there going to try and keep us under some kind of restrictions all summer and then in the autumn when the seasonal illnesses kick in they will get rebranded as COVID and then that will be used to keep restrictions in place. Possibly with increased restrictions again over winter.

 

I appreciate that comes over as a really negative view on things but I don’t trust the government and SAGE at all on this. The goalposts have moved throughout this whole thing, there’s always an excuse with them.

Edited 1 June 2021 by Lcfc82

[StanSP]

A big fat zero covid deaths in UK for the first time since last year. 

 

 

[Leicester_Loyal]

13 minutes ago, harpendenfox said:

I totally understand your frustration, but I don't think it is as bleak as that. Effectively we need the vast majority of adults to have had 2 vaccines to be through this. We are close to that, but not quite close enough. Right now we are on a knifeedge. Cases are going up, but at the moment the number of people in hospital is slightly down on where it was a month ago. We need to see what happens in the next 2 to 3 weeks. I am reasonably confident that the next level of opening up, currently scheduled for 3 weeks today, will be delayed to around July 15th, and that by then, it will be safe to open up virtually completely. I have been on the cautious end of things through this, and I think caution is sensible to ensure we don't go back into a major lockdown, which would be utterly soul destroying for everyone. We are getting through this.

 

Thousands of businesses are also on a knifeedge though, another month of these restrictions will put even more into administration because they aren't getting the Governments support and are running at a loss.

 

We keep seeing people question why people are protesting, but I can see why some are, so many lives have been ruined, it's devastating to see.

 

I still can't see Boris stopping June 21st completely, he'll definitely loosen some restrictions, he'll love being seen as the hero.

[harpendenfox]

1 minute ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Thousands of businesses are also on a knifeedge though, another month of these restrictions will put even more into administration because they aren't getting the Governments support and are running at a loss.

 

We keep seeing people question why people are protesting, but I can see why some are, so many lives have been ruined, it's devastating to see.

 

I still can't see Boris stopping June 21st completely, he'll definitely loosen some restrictions, he'll love being seen as the hero.

I completely understand that and sympathise. That is Government policy, sadly. We could easily provide those  businesses who cannot operate under current restrictions with more money to seem them through. We can and we should. My view is that caution now leads to greater rewards in a few short weeks, as the vaccination programme will be doing its work

[harpendenfox]

4 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

I admire your optimism.

But surely hospitalisations and deaths are what we need to be looking at and they are never going to be much lower than they currently are.

 

if it gets left another 2-3 weeks it’s another 2-3 for the MSM and the scientists to come up with more scare stories like variants etc and start banging the drum and pushing for it to be extended even further. 

The way it’s playing out seems to me like there going to try and keep us under some kind of restrictions all summer and then in the autumn when the seasonal illnesses kick in they will get rebranded as COVID and then that will be used to keep restrictions in place. Possibly with increased restrictions again over winter.

 

I appreciate that comes over as a really negative view on things but I don’t trust the government and SAGE at all on this. The goalposts have moved throughout this whole thing, there’s always an excuse with them.

 

You make loads of good points. Case rates of course a lead indicator, and as that has risen from an average of about 2,000 per day at the beginning of May to just over 3,000 per day now, that's the reason that some on SAGE are expressing caution. That's their job, to look at things from a health perspective and advise accordingly. It's the Government's job to make decisions on that advice taking in other factors too. That's where our problem lies because we have a group of untalented people in the key offices of state. If hospital rates have not climbed significantly in two to three weeks we are in a good place. That would mean that whilst some people are still getting very ill from the virus, they are visiting hospital, getting better, and going home. We may well have to endure some restrictions for some time yet, but not in my opinion not very many. Of course I'm just one bloke off the internet (who happens to be an LCFC fan, so clearly a better class of person…..!!), but I do have quite a lot of research and evidence to back up my claims. I'm also by nature more of a pessimist than optimist, but on this, I think, and hope, I will be right. Feel free to slam me if I'm wrong though. All the best chief - we will get there.

[Otis]

Zero Covid deaths today. 😀

 

Unfortunately still not low enough for the bed wetters.

[StanSP]

3 minutes ago, Otis said:

Zero Covid deaths today. 😀

 

Unfortunately still not low enough for the bed wetters.

Yes, it seems like people need to come back to life COVID-free in order for lockdown to be eased  

[harpendenfox]

3 minutes ago, Otis said:

Zero Covid deaths today. 😀

 

Unfortunately still not low enough for the bed wetters.

It's brilliant news, obviously. It reflects the infection rate one month ago. I think terming those who advise caution as bedwetters is possibly unhelpful. This is a hugely complex scenario the likes none of us in the West have ever had to deal with before. It is literally a matter of life and death, and requires considerable thought.

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, harpendenfox said:

 

You make loads of good points. Case rates of course a lead indicator, and as that has risen from an average of about 2,000 per day at the beginning of May to just over 3,000 per day now, that's the reason that some on SAGE are expressing caution. That's their job, to look at things from a health perspective and advise accordingly. It's the Government's job to make decisions on that advice taking in other factors too. That's where our problem lies because we have a group of untalented people in the key offices of state. If hospital rates have not climbed significantly in two to three weeks we are in a good place. That would mean that whilst some people are still getting very ill from the virus, they are visiting hospital, getting better, and going home. We may well have to endure some restrictions for some time yet, but not in my opinion not very many. Of course I'm just one bloke off the internet (who happens to be an LCFC fan, so clearly a better class of person…..!!), but I do have quite a lot of research and evidence to back up my claims. I'm also by nature more of a pessimist than optimist, but on this, I think, and hope, I will be right. Feel free to slam me if I'm wrong though. All the best chief - we will get there.

The unnecessary dig against the competence and ethical conscience of a decent profession aside.

 

Mind you, it was ever thus.