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Coronavirus Thread

By filbertway, in General Chat

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Legend_in_blue

Legend_in_blue

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19 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

It's all to push the vaccine onto us, relax people.

 

Still think we'll have masks and social distancing from June 21st mind...

 

Yes.  The behavioural psychologists on Sage are loving this. 

dsr-burnley

dsr-burnley

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1 hour ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

Yes.  The behavioural psychologists on Sage are loving this. 

 

3 hours ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

The media love bloody scare stories don’t they?

 

It’s like they’re trying to push us into a new lockdown or cause mass panic.

 

I’ve stopped looking at the media because they’ll always choose the worst case scenario as the narrative. Obviously just to get clicks. But if you read the facts just because cases are rising (which was always going to happen) doesn’t mean it’s history repeating itself.

Agreed.  They wouldn't dream of reporting that after this Indian variant has been rampaging round Britain for at least 5 weeks, its worst hotspot is in the least vaccinated parts of Bolton, and as a result of those five weeks of terror, of virulent spread, and of virus-vaccine-dodging, the result is that Bolton hospital trust currently has 41 people suffering with the virus.  Many of whom are in for unrelated reasons anyway.

 

41 people in hospital after 5 weeks.  They would never be able to cause the required level of fear with that stat.

WigstonWanderer

WigstonWanderer

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4 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

O I didn’t know you tube etc had stamped down on him.I just tapped his name in and he’s now on episode 4 of his restyled channel.(You’re probably aware of this) but yes I agree with everything you say.He definitely seemed to take Covid 19 a lot more seriously than the UK government.That’s for sure.

I don’t think they actually removed his videos, but apparently they kept unsubscribing followers from his channel, and ensured that he got no payment for them as I understand.

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Nick

Nick

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I was reading something earlier that was on about the transmission prevalence of the Indian variant. It was saying that 3% of peeps that got it had 2 jabs already and 24% had 1 jab...

 

I mean there’s sooo many variables to pick that apart with in terms of participants tested but the article seemed to be saying it’s basically 25% more contagious than the Kent variant which would explain the push on second jabs. 

Vlad the Fox

Vlad the Fox

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15 hours ago, Parafox said:

Does anyone know if there's a vaccine centre on Brandon St, Belgrave? 

Yes, belgrave paharmacy. I had my second jab there. Was in and out in about ten minutes, really efficient. 

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Soup

Soup

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27 minutes ago, Nick said:

On an aside, I had Pfizer 2 on Weds - yesterday was a write off but am okay today.

Yeah that's not uncommon at all. It is shocking to read some of the other more extreme reactions though. Bell's Palsy, Strokes, heart attacks and of course blood clots. If the vaccines are going to be a regular thing we do need to find the links that cause these problems. 

leicsmac

leicsmac

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1 hour ago, filbertway said:

Which part?

The part where the Chinese government take any possibility of responsibility as an affront and rebuff any chance of transparency, regardless of truth.

 

The part where certain elements in the US can and will use this to push the current administration to take a harder line on China for their own prejudiced purposes, regardless of truth.

 

The part where everyone involved is acting like a toddler in a "me me me!" tantrum that can't see past their own noses, which seems to be the guiding tenet of international realpolitik.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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32 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

I now know 2 people in their 30s who have died directly as a result of the vaccine. Sadly, I'll get called an anti vaxxer for refusing it.

Why is that sad?

 

NB. The plural of anecdotes is not data, unfortunately.

Innovindil

Innovindil

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58 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

I now know 2 people in their 30s who have died directly as a result of the vaccine. Sadly, I'll get called an anti vaxxer for refusing it.

Well if you are anti-vax you will probably get called an anti-vaxxer. 

 

At least you'll be able to offer a genuine reason as to why you don't want it. Nothing wrong with being apprehensive about taking something that involves a risk imo. And the anti-vaxxer label is usually muttered in derision at those who spout the "muh microchip" crap, not those with genuine concerns. 

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yorkie1999

yorkie1999

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1 hour ago, Father Ted said:

I now know 2 people in their 30s who have died directly as a result of the vaccine. Sadly, I'll get called an anti vaxxer for refusing it.

Something i can't quite work out about anti-vaxers is that they think it's necessary to inform everyone they refuse to take the vaccine. Why not just keep shtum. 

Dunge

Dunge

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1 hour ago, Father Ted said:

I now know 2 people in their 30s who have died directly as a result of the vaccine. Sadly, I'll get called an anti vaxxer for refusing it.

I appreciate you’re probably in “nothing can persuade me otherwise” mode right now, but I would say the following:

 

- I haven’t heard of any issues with Pfizer or Moderna, and if you’re under 40 you can opt for one of those rather than AZ. If you’re over 40, the chances of a blood clot reaction to the AZ vaccine seem to reduce anyway.

- As and when we open up, this virus will catch up with you in some way or form. It’s unavoidable. Now, you might be one of those people who gets it asymptomatically, but you might also be one of those people who gets put in hospital by it, or maybe even worse. And that’s before we start talking about the possibility of Long Covid, which could potentially leave you with a heart condition among other things. Even with the sad cases you mention above, it’s still the best option to get vaccinated.

 

Don’t go looking for excuses to avoid the vaccine. Because you’ll always find something, but it’ll likely be completely out of context or statistically overblown.

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VLC86

VLC86

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7 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Something i can't quite work out about anti-vaxers is that they think it's necessary to inform everyone they refuse to take the vaccine. Why not just keep shtum. 

Maybe because sometimes the reason they don’t have it is very emotive.

 

I am very pro vaccine but hearing the stories I’ve heard about young healthy people being really ill and worse from the vaccine does make me think twice.

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Dunge

Dunge

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2 minutes ago, Soup said:

Out of interest where did you hear this?

It’s not exactly that I’ve heard it, because you can’t hear of something that hasn’t happened, if you get my meaning.

 

But the issues that have been reported regarding rare blood clots - and I haven’t heard of any other issues being reported - are attributed to the AZ and Johnson & Johnson vaccines. Which makes sense in a way, because they’re a different type of technology to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines (and similar to each other). Moreover, it seems these (very rare) blood clots might be happening because the AZ and J&J vaccines closely replicate what Covid itself does without it being a live virus, ie that Covid can and does also cause these blood clots as one possible issue of its infection. I don’t think the following is proven yet, but my theory on where we’ll end up with this is that those people who get a blood clot from the AZ vaccine would probably have landed it from Covid in the long term regardless without some form of vaccination. But as I say, that’s my theory based on the discussions I’ve seen and I’m jumping ahead somewhat there. Anyway, I can understand why younger people would want to opt for Pfizer/Moderna to avoid this risk, but I haven’t seen anything to suggest that avoiding vaccines entirely is a good idea. In fact, if Pfizer/Moderna weren’t available then I’d still be urging everyone to get an AZ because it still looks like the best course of action, both for society and the individual.

 

In fact, there’s a handy article on the BBC website about it today.

yorkie1999

yorkie1999

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37 minutes ago, Dunge said:

It’s not exactly that I’ve heard it, because you can’t hear of something that hasn’t happened, if you get my meaning.

 

But the issues that have been reported regarding rare blood clots - and I haven’t heard of any other issues being reported - are attributed to the AZ and Johnson & Johnson vaccines. Which makes sense in a way, because they’re a different type of technology to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines (and similar to each other). Moreover, it seems these (very rare) blood clots might be happening because the AZ and J&J vaccines closely replicate what Covid itself does without it being a live virus, ie that Covid can and does also cause these blood clots as one possible issue of its infection. I don’t think the following is proven yet, but my theory on where we’ll end up with this is that those people who get a blood clot from the AZ vaccine would probably have landed it from Covid in the long term regardless without some form of vaccination. But as I say, that’s my theory based on the discussions I’ve seen and I’m jumping ahead somewhat there. Anyway, I can understand why younger people would want to opt for Pfizer/Moderna to avoid this risk, but I haven’t seen anything to suggest that avoiding vaccines entirely is a good idea. In fact, if Pfizer/Moderna weren’t available then I’d still be urging everyone to get an AZ because it still looks like the best course of action, both for society and the individual.

 

In fact, there’s a handy article on the BBC website about it today.

https://www.ft.com/content/f76eb802-ec05-4461-9956-b250115d0577

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