Coronavirus Thread

[Bellend Sebastian]

2 hours ago, jgtuk said:

Take the report with a pinch of salt anyway. The Daily Signal is a right wing publication funded by The Heritage Foundation who are a right wing think tank owned by right wing billionaires. The Heritage Foundation are thought to be anti-vax climate change deniers funded to some extent by the tobacco industry.

If there's one thing we need now it's more right wing voices

[Finnegan]

12 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Usually think your posts are great, but this is a bit of a strange view to hold. Why shouldn't someone work for one of the public services just because they haven't been fully vaccinated? 

 

Well for a start, if you're a medical professional and you're anti science you should be straight out the building post haste. 

 

But really, let's be honest, the vast majority of people refusing to be vaccinated are doing so based on a commitment to a political position that is, frankly, incompatible with public service. 

 

In particular, the blue line flag waving law enforcement types that are walking away from policing? Massive net win for the US. These are people that, by and large, wanted to be cops for the power of the gun and badge, not to do good. 

 

Edited 26 October 2021 by Finnegan

[yorkie1999]

40 minutes ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said:

 

i.e. someone who wears a mask in enclosed spaces and therefore less likely to have lost their sense of smell due to having COVID?

No, someone who if they wear a mask, can't smell leaking gas, i mean, you wouldn't put a mask on a canary down a mine would you.

[jgtuk]

5 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

No, someone who if they wear a mask, can't smell leaking gas, i mean, you wouldn't put a mask on a canary down a mine would you.

They're not fvcking sniffer dogs, they're engineers

[Innovindil]

45 minutes ago, Soup said:

What's wrong with working at MacDonald's?

You'll have to ask the former nurses/doctors/police currently complaining on twitter and the like that those are the only jobs they can get now. They don't seem too happy to be giving up their well paying, well benefitting careers to work there tbh. 

 

And all for essentially nothing. Strange world. 

[Big Dave]

9 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

No, someone who if they wear a mask, can't smell leaking gas, i mean, you wouldn't put a mask on a canary down a mine would you.

I think they’ve moved on to gas analysers now, much like gas engineers use.

 

But I get your point. If a tradesman is going into someone’s house or business and is asked to wear a mask, they should.  

I don’t wear a mask any more, unless the business I am visiting requires it.

[Soup]

3 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

You'll have to ask the former nurses/doctors/police currently complaining on twitter and the like that those are the only jobs they can get now. They don't seem too happy to be giving up their well paying, well benefitting careers to work there tbh. 

 

And all for essentially nothing. Strange world. 

Yes, I'll agree with the last bit 

[Finnegan]

9 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

I see where you're coming from to an extent, and you're right for the majority, but I do think there are still some people working in parts of the public services (not necessarily frontline) who aren't vaccinated for whatever reason and are still bloody good at their jobs, as they don't allow those personal reasons to interfere with what they do. 

 

If you were arguing for most other political, humanitarian or spiritual positions, I'd agree. I work in social housing and know quite a few colleagues who help provide an excellent public service for vulnerable people but whom are brexit voting Tories. Some of them I'm even friends with, despite the massive difference in world view. 

 

But I'm hugely intolerant to anti vaxxers. The absolute best I can say about them is that they're really unfortunate victims of an extensive, highly organised and highly motivated brainwashing movement committing a clear pattern of social and mass media manipulation. 

 

But even then, I'm sorry, but it's still those most prone to envy, to bitterness, to resentment, to fear, to hatred, to overwhelming self interest and those lacking hugely in empathy that fall prey to these movements. 

 

So I just don't really have any patience for it. With the minute exception of people perhaps prone to allergic reactions to some medications or whatever, there's just no reason to not get vaccinated.

And the very concept of "prejudice" against anti vaxxers is, I'm sorry, offensively stupid. 

[Soup]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

But I'm hugely intolerant to anti vaxxers. The absolute best I can say about them is that they're really unfortunate victims of an extensive, highly organised and highly motivated brainwashing movement committing a clear pattern of social and mass media manipulation. 

Mate chill out, that's utter crap.

 

For instance do I fall in to that group because I don't want to have a 3rd jab if it means mixing vaccines? Why can't I stick to what's already inside me? 

 

If I'm an anti vaxxer for that then **** me

Edited 26 October 2021 by Soup

[Raj]

We had a guy at work die yesterday aged late 50' s of covid and he was a complete anti vaxxer.

I wont say what I think as he should rest in peace.

 

 

[yorkie1999]

3 hours ago, jgtuk said:

They're not fvcking sniffer dogs, they're engineers

You need to calm the fvk down!

[Wymsey]

I work with someone (in a hospital) who has refused any Covid-19 jabs for 'religious reasons'.

I kindly asked what that reason/s is and they declined to state it.

[Unabomber]

Just now, Wymsey said:

I work with someone (in a hospital) who has refused any Covid-19 jabs for 'religious reasons'.

I kindly asked what that reason/s is and they declined to state it.

Thou shalt not get the covid jab. It’s the 11th commandment. 

[Mike Oxlong]

1 minute ago, Wymsey said:

I work with someone (in a hospital) who has refused any Covid-19 jabs for 'religious reasons'.

I kindly asked what that reason/s is and they declined to state it.

I hope you called them a cult.

[jgtuk]

5 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

You need to calm the fvk down!

All chill here. 😂 

peace.

[Raj]

16 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

I work with someone (in a hospital) who has refused any Covid-19 jabs for 'religious reasons'.

I kindly asked what that reason/s is and they declined to state it.

I'm  taking a wild guess that they were  Muslim?

Alot of muslims are refusing the vaccine due to religious ideology.

When I say religious ideology, what I really mean is bullsh1t as there is no reasoning behind it.

 

[jgtuk]

7 minutes ago, Raj said:

I'm  taking a wild guess that they were  Muslim?

Alot of muslims are refusing the vaccine due to religious ideology.

When I say religious ideology, what I really mean is bullsh1t as there is no reasoning behind it.

 

It’s the use of Porcine Gelatine in the vaccine that some religious groups find problematic, mostly a small number from Jewish and Muslim communities. I’ve seen anti-vaxxers also use religion as an excuse though. 

[Raj]

1 minute ago, jgtuk said:

It’s the use of Porcine Gelatine in the vaccine that some religious groups find problematic, mostly a small number from Jewish and Muslim communities. I’ve seen anti-vaxxers also use religion as an excuse though. 

I'm sure they put alot worse into their bodies than something so specific!

[jgtuk]

1 minute ago, Raj said:

I'm sure they put alot worse into their bodies than something so specific!

A high probability 👍

[SpacedX]

6 hours ago, jgtuk said:

Take the report with a pinch of salt anyway. The Daily Signal is a right wing publication funded by The Heritage Foundation who are a right wing think tank owned by right wing billionaires. The Heritage Foundation are thought to be anti-vax climate change deniers funded to some extent by the tobacco industry.

I've pointed this out three times already this year.  I find it utterly astonishing that even if something conforms to one's preconceptions, that in the rush for reinforcement, people neglect to take the time look into the agenda behind the source or even independently verify and check the veracity of the claims made. I understand that people don't like or want restrictions - genuinely, neither do I, but those opposed to them have resorted to often ludicrous levels of cherry picked confirmation bias and internet junk in order to support their beliefs. This thread is testimony not only to the polarisation of our society which is being torn asunder and deliberately engineered by social media but also the lengths that some will go to in order to impose their opinions. 

 

From ludicrous posts such as "it's been scientifically proven that facemasks don't work", to Mike Yeadon's absurd proclamations about herd immunity last December, Toby Young's tweets, Ivor Cummins' ridiculous You Tube videos, to the belief that the UK is a totalitarian regime. Then there was the posting of the fake ivermectin study, to members pointing to ****ing Brazil as an example of how to manage the infection - one in particular saying that he wanted to spend last Christmas out there. Jair Bolsonaro is now facing nine criminal charges including crimes against humanity. 

 

On the subject of facemasks, as @Otis correctly said, an unwashed loose piece of cloth will accomplish nothing, but why wouldn't you purchase some close fitting N95 masks? I've worn them for years cycling around London. I also wore them during the pandemic - not because it was mandated, but because I wanted to where appropriate. Moreover, not to protect myself from contracting SARS-CoV-19, but to reduce the risk of spreading it, particularly in closed, indoor poorly ventilated spaces. I didn't feel the need to clatter pots and pans outside my house in the spring and summer of 2020, but I did feel obligated to respect frontline health (and understated care workers), trying to operate in near impossible conditions and in view of the clinical burden that they face and the backlog in other treatments. This has not gone away as people on here seem to think, simply because they can now enjoy several pints in the pub before going to the match. We need to be very mindful of the possibility of local outbreaks/superspreading events that may place further strain on hospitals, healthcare trusts and most importantly the healthcare workers themselves in addition to the influx of seasonal illnesses. - And frankly in respect of that, I don't give a ****ing shit what anyone's football forum opinions about further restrictions are. 

 

2 hours ago, Soup said:

Mate chill out, that's utter crap.

 

For instance do I fall in to that group because I don't want to have a 3rd jab if it means mixing vaccines? Why can't I stick to what's already inside me? 

 

If I'm an anti vaxxer for that then **** me

I posted several times over the summer about the extensive research into the efficacy of hybrid vaccinations and the history of this. Needle in a haystack on this thread I concede. You have every right to remain dubious, but I'd be more than happy to provide you with some information on this. The science behind it is fascinating. 

 

Actually, regarding this thread, I might start bumping some of the ridiculous posts I'm referred to that some people are now completely in denial of. That's another thing that bugs me about social media - the learned revisionism. I have a very good memory. 

Edited 26 October 2021 by Line-X

[Babylon]

2 hours ago, Soup said:

Mate chill out, that's utter crap.

 

For instance do I fall in to that group because I don't want to have a 3rd jab if it means mixing vaccines? Why can't I stick to what's already inside me? 

 

If I'm an anti vaxxer for that then **** me

Why don’t you want to mix it? 

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

If you were arguing for most other political, humanitarian or spiritual positions, I'd agree. I work in social housing and know quite a few colleagues who help provide an excellent public service for vulnerable people but whom are brexit voting Tories. Some of them I'm even friends with, despite the massive difference in world view. 

 

But I'm hugely intolerant to anti vaxxers. The absolute best I can say about them is that they're really unfortunate victims of an extensive, highly organised and highly motivated brainwashing movement committing a clear pattern of social and mass media manipulation. 

 

But even then, I'm sorry, but it's still those most prone to envy, to bitterness, to resentment, to fear, to hatred, to overwhelming self interest and those lacking hugely in empathy that fall prey to these movements. 

 

So I just don't really have any patience for it. With the minute exception of people perhaps prone to allergic reactions to some medications or whatever, there's just no reason to not get vaccinated.

 

And the very concept of "prejudice" against anti vaxxers is, I'm sorry, offensively stupid. 

A ****ing men… praise the Lord sweet Brother Numpsey.

[Raj]

What's people thoughts on giving +13's the vaccine?

We've booked my daughter in for one as she is at Secondary school where the cases of positives were very high.

However  the risk of something serious happening to them is pretty low anyway?

@Izzy did you get your kids vaccinated?

[st albans fox]

47 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

I work with someone (in a hospital) who has refused any Covid-19 jabs for 'religious reasons'.

I kindly asked what that reason/s is and they declined to state it.

 

16 minutes ago, jgtuk said:

It’s the use of Porcine Gelatine in the vaccine that some religious groups find problematic, mostly a small number from Jewish and Muslim communities. I’ve seen anti-vaxxers also use religion as an excuse though. 

I’m pretty sure that in both religions, the sanctity of life is more important than the rules and regs. Hence you can break the rules to avoid a threat to your life. The religious leaders of Muslims and Jews have told their followers that they should take the vaccine.   I’ve read that in the USA, some of the RW religious Christian groups are avoiding the vaccine because  fetal cell lines – cells grown in a laboratory based on aborted fetal cells collected generations ago – were used in testing during research and development of the mRNA vaccines, and during production of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. 

 

 

[st albans fox]

12 minutes ago, Raj said:

What's people thoughts on giving +13's the vaccine?

We've booked my daughter in for one as she is at Secondary school where the cases of positives were very high.

However  the risk of something serious happening to them is pretty low anyway?

@Izzy did you get your kids vaccinated?

My father in law (ex medic) is of the opinion that U14 shouldn't have it because of the marginal myocardial risk. Basically what the JVCI said.  The decision was taken out of our hands because our 13 y o caught it …….. given that most of his isolation is over half term, I guess we got lucky - Assuming there isn’t any long covid - it’s a very difficult decision.  Natural immunity is alway the best option. 

Edited 26 October 2021 by st albans fox