Amartey

[Jimmy]

people were praising Dan because he was putting in solid performances whilst our other defenders were ****ing woeful. Vestergaard is a waste of space as he doesn't suit anything we try to do as a side ,Soyuncu is a shadow of his former self and Evans is making Phil Jones look like an ironman.

 

In an ideal world none of us would have Amartey in our side

[martyn]

8 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

But that's my problem, this forum has been doing exactly that all season. "Big Dan" has become the people's champion on foxestalk this year and its utterly bizarre. He's as crap as the rest of them. 

 

I am 100% sympathetic because he's as much a natural centre back as Hamza is. He's a defensive midfielder that's been lumped there and he's absolutely done his best. We cannot fault his effort or his application in the slightest. 

 

I think he seems like a lovely guy on a human level, he's a fantastic professional and I wish him all the best. 

 

But this forum's absolute refusal to hold him accountable for any mistake defensively whilst laying in to absolutely everyone else is just ridiculous. 

 

Madders is one of the best players we've actually had in the Premier League at this club. He gets dogs abuse every time he makes a mistake, every corner he puts in that's poor or every shot he takes that misses he gets personal abuse. But Amartey? Any criticism of him and everyone piles on. It's absurd. 

 

Amartey has been and will be criticised for crap performances. Nobody is defending him today at all, he was woeful.

 

He has put in more decent performances this year than poor. The clip posted above was more Evans responsibility. It's a lesser version of Col inventing an error against Amartey when we lost at home to Man City last year. That is what gets people's back up.

 

Nobody does think he should be a first team regular under normal conditions  But with Evans and Fofana out, Soyuncu being totally rank for some time, and Vestergaard starting his career here in hopeless fashion, it is not outlandish for him to be starting now.

 

I think you've gone too far the other way and  misjudged what people actually think of him. 

 

 

Edited 6 February 2022 by martyn

[Tommy Fresh]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

But that's my problem, this forum has been doing exactly that all season. "Big Dan" has become the people's champion on foxestalk this year and its utterly bizarre. He's as crap as the rest of them. 

 

I am 100% sympathetic because he's as much a natural centre back as Hamza is. He's a defensive midfielder that's been lumped there and he's absolutely done his best. We cannot fault his effort or his application in the slightest. 

 

I think he seems like a lovely guy on a human level, he's a fantastic professional and I wish him all the best. 

 

But this forum's absolute refusal to hold him accountable for any mistake defensively whilst laying in to absolutely everyone else is just ridiculous. 

 

Madders is one of the best players we've actually had in the Premier League at this club. He gets dogs abuse every time he makes a mistake, every corner he puts in that's poor or every shot he takes that misses he gets personal abuse. But Amartey? Any criticism of him and everyone piles on. It's absurd. 

No one has said he wasn't at fault today so it's not the criticism that's the issue. It's that as soon as he makes a mistake, certain posters jump on here and brag about how they think he isn't very good and that he shouldn't be at the club at all. They expect world class performances from a squad player. Today he was crap fair enough, but you will get that from time to time with a 4th/5th choice unless you're Man City.

[The Horse's Mouth]

3 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I still find it bewildering how lads who call themselves City fans would choose to defend players at the club who are fookin awful. 
It doesn’t happen with other players…? Vestergaard - roundly castigated on here. Bertrand… same

But Amartey?? However rank he can be, some of our so-called ‘fans’ bizarrely try to look for excuses straightaway. I’ve called it myself. It IS like a cult following, but weirdly, of a player who’s just not good enough? 🤔

I love the club and today hurts.. maybe that’s the problem? I care too much? If I didn’t I wouldn’t want to be shipping rubbish like Amartey out of the situation. Instead, I guess I’d probably do what others do… just defend him whatever.

Amartey needs to go, as does Vestergaard, as does Bertrand. Not lauded in some juvenile fashion that I literally would attribute to 10 year olds.

Over and out.

What standard are you applying to him though? Again nobody (from what I understand) has suggested he's the answer and we should build the team around him, he's just been more useful than the useless ***** who are naturally play in that position. If you did a poll asking should amartey be our first choice centre back next season, the vast,vast,vast majority would vote no. Because he's just a squad player, who's having to play much more than he should be doing because the rest of the talent in that position have been diabolical. 

 

Vestegaard gets much shit because him signing was effectively to stop Amartey having to be relied on, he was meant to play that role. He's been ****ing awful a complete waste of money. 

[moore_94]

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I'm not looking to make personal attacks here, so I'm gonna calm down a bit and apologise for my tone in previous posts. I'm emotional and it was needless. 

 

But their forward is behind Evans out of his field of view. In this situation he should be attacking the ball and Amartey, for whom their forward should be in his line of sight, should be stepping in to cover that forward. 

 

Amartey is massively culpable for this goal. He's a centre back, that's the six yard box. You can't even argue he's been left stranded by the rest of the defence, he's not over run, he's got ONE attacker he needs to be aware of. 

 

Should Bouba cover the run? Yes. Should Bertrand have never let the cross come in? Yes. 

 

But Amartey's one job in this scenario is to be mindful of that attacker and come and win that ball. Its his domain. 

I would say he has two to be aware of because the man at the back has got in front of Castagne, come for Moses and he potentially leaves the man at the back post free for a tap in

 

Probably more fair to blame the entire defensive line with that goal?

 

Castagne loses his man at the back post leaving 2 men for Amartey who is probably caught in 2 minds of which player to cover, Evans stepping out into the front post when there isn't much need in that scenario, Cags for being SO far out of position, Bertrand being Bertrand?

[Fox92]

Far too many mistakes in him and Soyuncu. 

Not good enough.

[Bert]

9 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

But that's my problem, this forum has been doing exactly that all season. "Big Dan" has become the people's champion on foxestalk this year and its utterly bizarre. He's as crap as the rest of them. 

 

I am 100% sympathetic because he's as much a natural centre back as Hamza is. He's a defensive midfielder that's been lumped there and he's absolutely done his best. We cannot fault his effort or his application in the slightest. 

 

I think he seems like a lovely guy on a human level, he's a fantastic professional and I wish him all the best. 

 

But this forum's absolute refusal to hold him accountable for any mistake defensively whilst laying in to absolutely everyone else is just ridiculous. 

 

Madders is one of the best players we've actually had in the Premier League at this club. He gets dogs abuse every time he makes a mistake, every corner he puts in that's poor or every shot he takes that misses he gets personal abuse. But Amartey? Any criticism of him and everyone piles on. It's absurd. 

I don’t think anyone will claim he played well today and it was blatantly obvious he was at fault for the second goal we conceded. I also don’t think that anyone would have him as first choice, it just speaks more about Vestergaard when we are desperate for Amartey to come back into the side. For the majority of games this season Amartey has been a 7/10. Some games more and the odd game less.

 

It’s swings and roundabouts though when it comes to your final point because even when he’s had a solid game there are still certain posters on this forum that will not give him any ounce of credit. 

[Corky]

7 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

people were praising Dan because he was putting in solid performances whilst our other defenders were ****ing woeful. Vestergaard is a waste of space as he doesn't suit anything we try to do as a side ,Soyuncu is a shadow of his former self and Evans is making Phil Jones look like an ironman.

 

In an ideal world none of us would have Amartey in our side

Pretty much my view. Amartey has played well this season but the fact he's been one of our best defenders has been damning on the rest.

[Guest Col city fan]

8 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

If it's that simple Col, list some players who would be happy to be 4th or 5th choice and not moan and perform to the standard you expect, which I'm assuming is the level of Fofana? If you have an actual answer the club should employ you.

Was Vestergaard signed to be first choice CB or Bertrand to be first choice LB? I wouldn’t have thought so….?

Both signed as ‘squad players’ (exactly like Amartey) and both get dogs abuse for any error they make. 
It is refreshing that some on here get where I’ve been coming from, but it’s no surprise that most don’t. As I said, I find some people on here very bizarre. 
Just imagine today if a. Vestergaard had been chose ahead of Amartey and b. He’d played like Amartey did. He’d have been torn up for arse-paper. Whereas Big Dan? Gets a few criticisms (on this thread) from those actually watching the game and defended (ffs) by some as him having an ‘off game’

Ive never gotten it, never will

[sm1]

Amartey, who probably was 5th CB before the season started and became 4th choice after Vestergaards form, is doing ok this season, with more good games than bad ones. Was he culpable for the 2nd goal and have a poor game overall, yes. But JJ got out jumped for the 1st goal, as he was against Brighton. If you have an agenda and only concentrate on bad performances only, you can literally pick any player for critiscm. Nobody on here thinks JJs a bad player, just finding form after a long injury. Likewise I've never seen anybody on here referring to Dan as a world beater, but some just have an agenda against certain players. It's really pathetic only concentrating on poor performances whilst ignoring good ones.

[moore_94]

Just now, Col city fan said:

Was Vestergaard signed to be first choice CB or Bertrand to be first choice LB? I wouldn’t have thought so….?

Both signed as ‘squad players’ (exactly like Amartey) and both get dogs abuse for any error they make. 
It is refreshing that some on here get where I’ve been coming from, but it’s no surprise that most don’t. As I said, I find some people on here very bizarre. 
Just imagine today if a. Vestergaard had been chose ahead of Amartey and b. He’d played like Amartey did. He’d have been torn up for arse-paper. Whereas Big Dan? Gets a few criticisms (on this thread) from those actually watching the game and defended (ffs) by some as him having an ‘off game’

Ive never gotten it, never will

Who has defended him for his performance today?

[Guest Col city fan]

14 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I'm not looking to make personal attacks here, so I'm gonna calm down a bit and apologise for my tone in previous posts. I'm emotional and it was needless. 

 

But their forward is behind Evans out of his field of view. In this situation he should be attacking the ball and Amartey, for whom their forward should be in his line of sight, should be stepping in to cover that forward. 

 

Amartey is massively culpable for this goal. He's a centre back, that's the six yard box. You can't even argue he's been left stranded by the rest of the defence, he's not over run, he's got ONE attacker he needs to be aware of. 

 

Should Bouba cover the run? Yes. Should Bertrand have never let the cross come in? Yes. 

 

But Amartey's one job in this scenario is to be mindful of that attacker and come and win that ball. Its his domain. 

Stop backing down. This isn’t a playground, back your judgement 

😄

[Tommy Fresh]

15 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Was Vestergaard signed to be first choice CB or Bertrand to be first choice LB? I wouldn’t have thought so….?

Both signed as ‘squad players’ (exactly like Amartey) and both get dogs abuse for any error they make. 
It is refreshing that some on here get where I’ve been coming from, but it’s no surprise that most don’t. As I said, I find some people on here very bizarre. 
Just imagine today if a. Vestergaard had been chose ahead of Amartey and b. He’d played like Amartey did. He’d have been torn up for arse-paper. Whereas Big Dan? Gets a few criticisms (on this thread) from those actually watching the game and defended (ffs) by some as him having an ‘off game’

Ive never gotten it, never will

Because Amartey doesn't perform badly like that every week, Vestergaard and Bertrand haven't shown anything in the regular season to justify us signing them. Additionally Amartey is a utility player who could do a job and has a number of times for us, Bertrand and Vestergaard don't even offer that versatility. Today people are openly saying how poor Amartey was, but you seem to take joy from him having a bad game and think it means he shouldn't be at the club in any role.

 

Also you've ignored my question about who you'd sign to be 4th/5th choice who meets your high standards and would be happy to sit around once Fofana is fit.

Edited 6 February 2022 by Tommy Fresh

[turtmcfly]

54 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

By the way, this is Amartey marking the man at the back post. Apparently. 

 

You could be fooled in to thinking its actually Amartey stood staring at the guy that got a free header in the middle of the box whilst his right back had the guy at the back post covered but apparently you'd be wrong. 

 

Because Big Dan things. 

 

 

Sure we've been here before with you using that image (EDIT - nope it was just a  text post), which conveniently glosses over the previous few seconds. Certainly remember posting the image below as a counter.

 

Here's what it looked like from behind the goal just as the cross comes in. Amartey not even in shot, three other players who could get involved get a pass? 

 

The **** is Evans doing? And never mind Bouba, watch the video from just before to see Youri, who is closing in on Moses, simply 'give up' 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 6 February 2022 by turtmcfly

[tickler28]

29 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Was Vestergaard signed to be first choice CB or Bertrand to be first choice LB? I wouldn’t have thought so….?

Both signed as ‘squad players’ (exactly like Amartey) and both get dogs abuse for any error they make. 
It is refreshing that some on here get where I’ve been coming from, but it’s no surprise that most don’t. As I said, I find some people on here very bizarre. 
Just imagine today if a. Vestergaard had been chose ahead of Amartey and b. He’d played like Amartey did. He’d have been torn up for arse-paper. Whereas Big Dan? Gets a few criticisms (on this thread) from those actually watching the game and defended (ffs) by some as him having an ‘off game’

Ive never gotten it, never will

The issue is Vestergaard has no credit in the bank with us....has never had a good game...constantly looks shit....Amartey on the other hand has had some great performances of late (namely vs Liverpool just after Xmas).

 

Now if everyone else was playing at a high standard and Amartey has a game like today....I'd get the criticism but he was only as bad as everyone else around him. Soyuncu is supposed to be a first pick centre back but right now he is the first player I want pulled out of the team.

[cruzFOX]

Big Dan the silly muppet! what the hell was he thinking. Forest didn't need any gifts and he gave them a golden one.

[Freeman's Wharfer]

Deeney just absolutely buried him on Match Of The Day regarding the 4th Forest goal. Also out of position on the 1st and obviously culpable for the 2nd.

 

The cult hero ‘big Dan’ stuff was fun while it lasted, now let’s just accept that he’s way off the standard required.

[Tommy Fresh]

8 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

Deeney just absolutely buried him on Match Of The Day regarding the 4th Forest goal. Also out of position on the 1st and obviously culpable for the 2nd.

 

The cult hero ‘big Dan’ stuff was fun while it lasted, now let’s just accept that he’s way off the standard required.

4th or 5th choice, not sure what you expect of him to be honest you will get the odd poor performance from him. Shouldn't be an issue usually because with everyone fit you'd rarely see him. Name me some viable alternatives who would perform to the standard you think a squad player should be at and who'd come and sit on our bench or not be in the squad at all with everyone fit?

[Guest Col city fan]

1 hour ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

Deeney just absolutely buried him on Match Of The Day regarding the 4th Forest goal. Also out of position on the 1st and obviously culpable for the 2nd.

 

The cult hero ‘big Dan’ stuff was fun while it lasted, now let’s just accept that he’s way off the standard required.

The only thing I disagree with you over is the ‘cult hero’ stuff 

That was never fun, it was/is just very weird 

Deeney had it spot on. Amartey was a laughing stock today against one of our biggest rivals, in a game that we won’t forget in a very long time.

Edited 7 February 2022 by Col city fan

[Sampson]

5 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

What standard are you applying to him though? Again nobody (from what I understand) has suggested he's the answer and we should build the team around him, he's just been more useful than the useless ***** who are naturally play in that position. If you did a poll asking should amartey be our first choice centre back next season, the vast,vast,vast majority would vote no. Because he's just a squad player, who's having to play much more than he should be doing because the rest of the talent in that position have been diabolical. 

 

Vestegaard gets much shit because him signing was effectively to stop Amartey having to be relied on, he was meant to play that role. He's been ****ing awful a complete waste of money. 

There have been people on here saying Amartey has been brilliant all season and our Player of the season though. 

I agree that he's a decent 4th or 5th choice and not outright shit, but also people trying to say "no one is saying he's been amazing, he's just the least bad defensive player of the worst defensive season in living memory" have clearly not been reading this forum.

Edited 7 February 2022 by Sampson

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

There have been people on here saying Amartey has been brilliant all season and our Player of the season though. 

I agree that he's a decent 4th or 5th choice and not outright shit, but also people trying to say "no one is saying he's been amazing, he's just the least bad defensive player of the worst defensive season in living memory" have clearly not been reading this forum.

I keep seeing that stated but I don't see any examples of this on the forum, back it up or leave the straw man alone. As for player of the season, he's honestly in the conversation, it's not been a very good season if you hadn't noticed.

[Sampson]

He absolutely isn't in the conversation ffs! Have a word with yourself! Thats the exact absolutely ludicrous statement people are talking about with regards to Amartey. He's started 9 of our 20 PL games (which include his utterly atrocious performance vs West Ham where he was directly at fault for 3 goals and was even worse than today and his crap performance vs Arsenal where he feebly made himself small at Smith-Rowe's shot and another crap performance vs Chelsea where he stood there like a statue while letting Pulisic run rings round him). 

 

If you're giving players who've had 6 league games of solid to great performances the Player of the Season award then this forum really has gone to pot.

 

I mean Vardy should be miles ahead of that for his form up until October alone when he was carrying us, which rules Amartey out from the off. May as well give Albrighton player of the year too as he's generally played well when called upon on occasion.

 

Vardy has 9 league goals, Maddison 6 and 3 assists, Iheanacho has 4 assists and 2 goals. No one is saying they've been amazing every game or necessarily up to the standard of previous POTY winners, but only Leicester fans could argue that some defender in a season were going to concede 75 odd league goals who has had 6 decent league games is in genuine conversation alongside them just because he's doing OK for a 5th choice centre back.

Edited 7 February 2022 by Sampson

[Guest Col city fan]

3 hours ago, Sampson said:

He absolutely isn't in the conversation ffs! Have a word with yourself! Thats the exact absolutely ludicrous statement people are talking about with regards to Amartey. He's started 9 of our 20 PL games (which include his utterly atrocious performance vs West Ham where he was directly at fault for 3 goals and was even worse than today and his crap performance vs Arsenal where he feebly made himself small at Smith-Rowe's shot and another crap performance vs Chelsea where he stood there like a statue while letting Pulisic run rings round him). 

 

If you're giving players who've had 6 league games of solid to great performances the Player of the Season award then this forum really has gone to pot.

 

I mean Vardy should be miles ahead of that for his form up until October alone when he was carrying us, which rules Amartey out from the off. May as well give Albrighton player of the year too as he's generally played well when called upon on occasion.

 

Vardy has 9 league goals, Maddison 6 and 3 assists, Iheanacho has 4 assists and 2 goals. No one is saying they've been amazing every game or necessarily up to the standard of previous POTY winners, but only Leicester fans could argue that some defender in a season were going to concede 75 odd league goals who has had 6 decent league games is in genuine conversation alongside them just because he's doing OK for a 5th choice centre back.

Good lad. Don’t let yourself be bullied. You’re quite right 👍

[tickler28]

If we now decide to drop Amartey for his poor performance should we not also drop Soyuncu who has been equally as culpable of late?

 

Dropping both of them then means a centre back pairing of Choudhury and Vestergaard....is that a CB pairing for the Premier League???

 

I still think we seriously messed up not getting a CB in on loan as that clearly is the position on the pitch where we are seriously failing

[lcfcsnow]

2 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

Dropping both of them then means a centre back pairing of Choudhury and Vestergaard....is that a CB pairing for the Premier League???

Ndidi can play centre back, he's done quite well there and we've had good results the 5/6 times he has, plus it gets him out of midfield where he's been awful of late