‘Probably got lucky’: Brendan Rodgers claims he’s overlooked because he’s British

[Deeg67]

What a load of self-pitying poppycock from Rodgers, but it's basically harmless.  His ego really is as big as all outdoors.

 

Do you think it's a coincidence that so many more famous managers - international and British - revere Bielsa the way they do?  To call him overrated is laughable at best and xenophobic at worst.  He's revered because he's one of the most tactically astute managers in the modern era and a devotee of a style of football - both on and off the field - that's no longer seen very much.  Rodgers, even playing a few second-teamers, still had better players to work with than Bielsa did.  Credit to BR for being humble enough to let Leeds control possession and get themselves into trouble - with our injuries that was very much the right play.  But Bielsa is still doing incredible things given the talent pool he has to work with.

[Les-TA-Jon]

56 minutes ago, Deeg67 said:

What a load of self-pitying poppycock from Rodgers, but it's basically harmless.  His ego really is as big as all outdoors.

 

Do you think it's a coincidence that so many more famous managers - international and British - revere Bielsa the way they do?  To call him overrated is laughable at best and xenophobic at worst.  He's revered because he's one of the most tactically astute managers in the modern era and a devotee of a style of football - both on and off the field - that's no longer seen very much.  Rodgers, even playing a few second-teamers, still had better players to work with than Bielsa did.  Credit to BR for being humble enough to let Leeds control possession and get themselves into trouble - with our injuries that was very much the right play.  But Bielsa is still doing incredible things given the talent pool he has to work with.

I'd just pull you up on that. We've 5-6 first teamers missing. And there's injuries in the second string too. We started the game with a back 3 of a 22 year old backup right back playing CB, a 19 year old who hasn't played a full season of senior football and a 34 year old back up left back playing CB. And of course, Luke Thomas who is 19 and played about 5 first team games in his life. 

[Deeg67]

Still better personnel than Leeds.  They have no one close to Vardy, Tielemans, Praet, Fofana, Maddison, even Barnes.  Their squad were basically middling championship players (at best) before Bielsa got there.

Edited 4 November 2020 by Deeg67

[Pliskin]

I think Rodgers is probably having a bite backs considering all the build to Leeds games is about Leeds and Bielsa.... so I’m with him.... so happy we dicked them, they needed bringing down a peg or two. 

Edited 4 November 2020 by Pliskin

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

1 hour ago, Deeg67 said:

What a load of self-pitying poppycock from Rodgers, but it's basically harmless.  His ego really is as big as all outdoors. Do you think it's a coincidence that so many more famous managers - international and British - revere Bielsa the way they do?  To call him overrated is laughable at best and xenophobic at worst.  He's revered because he's one of the most tactically astute managers in the modern era and a devotee of a style of football - both on and off the field - that's no longer seen very much.  Rodgers, even playing a few second-teamers, still had better players to work with than Bielsa did.  Credit to BR for being humble enough to let Leeds control possession and get themselves into trouble - with our injuries that was very much the right play.  But Bielsa is still doing incredible things given the talent pool he has to work with.

He was answering a question: "You must be delighted to have overcome three master tacticians already in Pep Guardiola, Mikel Arteta, and Marcelo Bielsea?"

 

Rodgers and LCFC came in fifth in the league last year, and is now sitting on second, as well as having one of the most talented young teams in the league -- he was asked if he was "delighted" to have beaten a newly promoted Leeds loaded with Championship players. The question was insulting.

[HighPeakFox]

Going on about BR's perceived arrogance and ego is to wield lazy tropes. He's going to be pretty difficult to improve upon. 

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said:

He was answering a question: "You must be delighted to have overcome three master tacticians already in Pep Guardiola, Mikel Arteta, and Marcelo Bielsea?"

 

Rodgers and LCFC came in fifth in the league last year, and is now sitting on second, as well as having one of the most talented young teams in the league -- he was asked if he was "delighted" to have beaten a newly promoted Leeds loaded with Championship players. The question was insulting.

...he could have given the usual answer, by praising the other team and stating what they bring to the table!!!

  We complain as managers keep coming out with the same old platitudes, nice to hear something different, but he could have handled it better.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

4 hours ago, Deeg67 said:

What a load of self-pitying poppycock from Rodgers, but it's basically harmless.  His ego really is as big as all outdoors.

 

Do you think it's a coincidence that so many more famous managers - international and British - revere Bielsa the way they do?  To call him overrated is laughable at best and xenophobic at worst.  He's revered because he's one of the most tactically astute managers in the modern era and a devotee of a style of football - both on and off the field - that's no longer seen very much.  Rodgers, even playing a few second-teamers, still had better players to work with than Bielsa did.  Credit to BR for being humble enough to let Leeds control possession and get themselves into trouble - with our injuries that was very much the right play.  But Bielsa is still doing incredible things given the talent pool he has to work with.

He is completely right to say what he said. It was all round a pathetic wankathon for Bielsa pre match and during the match even when we were spanking them by Sky. 

 

He then finds himself having to chat about Pochettino in his after match interview before talking about the game as if that is more important. I can guarantee if that was Klopp being interviewed they would have not insulted him by asking him about another manager before talking about a great, dominant win by his team. 

 

One more thing, Bielsa made it easy for us by his unwillingness to adapt to who they were playing. That is arrogance, not great coaching. More and more teams will play that way against them too. If he is such a genius he will need to come up with a plan b. 

[foxile5]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

Going on about BR's perceived arrogance and ego is to wield lazy tropes. He's going to be pretty difficult to improve upon. 

Agreed about the improvement but the arrogance and ego is fair game. He'd be even better if he showed a bit of humility at the RIGHT times. 

[sacreblueits442]

26 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said:

He is completely right to say what he said. It was all round a pathetic wankathon for Bielsa pre match and during the match even when we were spanking them by Sky. 

 

He then finds himself having to chat about Pochettino in his after match interview before talking about the game as if that is more important. I can guarantee if that was Klopp being interviewed they would have not insulted him by asking him about another manager before talking about a great, dominant win by his team. 

 

One more thing, Bielsa made it easy for us by his unwillingness to adapt to who they were playing. That is arrogance, not great coaching. More and more teams will play that way against them too. If he is such a genius he will need to come up with a plan b. 

...we have been saying that about Rodgers in what seems like forever....looks like he finally got there!!!

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Just now, sacreblueits442 said:

...we have been saying that about Rodgers in what seems like forever....looks like he finally got there!!!

So by learning to adapt, does this make him a better or worse manager? 

 

Leeds can keep Bielsa. I am confident we have a better manager in Rodgers. 

[HighPeakFox]

8 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Agreed about the improvement but the arrogance and ego is fair game. He'd be even better if he showed a bit of humility at the RIGHT times. 

I respectfully disagree. I couldn't care less about him showing humility if he's doing a good job. Arrogance is rife in this country, he's mild compared to many.

[sacreblueits442]

Just now, Zaphod Beeblebrox said:

So by learning to adapt, does this make him a better or worse manager? 

 

Leeds can keep Bielsa. I am confident we have a better manager in Rodgers. 

...makes him a better manager!!!

It is human nature to evolve and you can't stay a child all you life, over the years we gain understanding and we learn to adapt depending on circumstances.

 By adhering to his ideology his flaws are open for everyone to see and undermines his ability to compete.

[Corky]

On 03/11/2020 at 15:21, Webbo said:

I can't see Man U appointing an ex Liverpool manager especially with the compensation they'd have to pay us. Pochettino is the obvious choice. 

I think we're his level, really. For all the praise he has, he gets away with a lot of poor performances that he wouldn't with more scrutiny.

 

We're a very good fit for each other.

[deanolegend1989]

10 minutes ago, Corky said:

I think we're his level, really. For all the praise he has, he gets away with a lot of poor performances that he wouldn't with more scrutiny.

 

We're a very good fit for each other.

I agree with this. He’s a decent manager but he is still to prove he’s a great manager and he won’t be if he keeps believing his hype after a few good results.

As said before, he did well at Liverpool but didn’t see it through, he did well with us last year, didn’t see it through.

Maybe it’s his arrogance that gets in the way before it’s done.

Jose Mourinho won the UEFA Cup then Champions league back to back seasons. Fantastic achievement. Then the arrogance comes out ‘special one’ and he had the history to back it up, BR doesn’t.

Get us top 4 or a trophy and then we’re talking about a fantastic achievement that might elevate him to levels that he appears to think he is in his head but in reality isn’t at yet. 

[Webbo]

19 minutes ago, Corky said:

I think we're his level, really. For all the praise he has, he gets away with a lot of poor performances that he wouldn't with more scrutiny.

 

 

Ole has got away with it for long enough. 

[fuchsntf]

On 03/11/2020 at 20:05, sacreblueits442 said:

...our injury situation has called for a different approach and the approach now adopted by Rodgers is a defensive tactic which now serves us well!!!

Using a back three with attacking Wing Backs, coupled with a counter attacking style has given us the edge in games we have previously struggled to get a result in. All this talk of "A Masterclass" seems to have gone to his head and it seems to have stemmed from the Man. City victory where he admits he has changed his philosophy in the way he sees the game and it is now evident you can see he is no longer a purist.

   A Deep Block, playing on the counter is much the Ranieri style of play and no one was shouting "A Masterclass" then and we know counter attacking has always been in our DNA. 

   Bielsa failed to adjust and like Rodgers previously, he will struggle to make his system work as he played right into our hands and I suspect we would rather be playing teams who want to come forward than the teams willing to "sit" where we will need someone like Ünder to unlock a defense. The interesting part will be when we get all the players available, will Rodgers go back to taking on the big teams like before or can he hold on to his new found understanding that these teams struggle against a certain style of play and if they continue to play total football we have the ability to undermine what ever they do.

All this talk of "A Masterclass" seems to have gone to his head ... 

[HighPeakFox]

11 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said:

 he keeps believing his hype after a few good results.

 

Maybe it’s his arrogance

 

levels that he appears to think he is in his head. 

Where is the evidence for any of this, outside of people just repeating it as though it is gospel? 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

Just now, HighPeakFox said:

Where is the evidence for any of this, outside of people just repeating it as though it is gospel? 

Always amuses me how people can claim to know another person's inner thoughts.

[foxile5]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

I respectfully disagree. I couldn't care less about him showing humility if he's doing a good job. Arrogance is rife in this country, he's mild compared to many.

Some arrogance after the fact is important - the little comment about British managers was great. It's more the arrogance of decision making at points. But fair enough. 

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, foxile5 said:

It's more the arrogance of decision making 

Please explain what this means, it really feels like a made up thing to me. 

 

 

 

 

 

[foxile5]

12 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Please explain what this means, it really feels like a made up thing to me. 

 

 

 

 

 

No need to be quite so condescending.

 

Well the decision to go into a season without a large squad - and he was vocal about that - which didn't play out. Very risky and it cost us a champions league place. Disappointing. This was blamed on the chairman not investing. Poor form and poor decision. 

 

Bournemouth 1-0 and he takes of Kelechi. Arrogant to assume we've got that sewn up. We lose 3-1 and he publicly throws Kelechi under the bus saying he wasn't playing well. Again, bit of an arrogant move and then blames someone else. 

 

He decisions are, sometimes, made poorly and in line with a bit of hubris. I think he could improve on that area. 

 

I agree he's the best we can do, that doesn't mean that I think there aren't elements that can be changed in his management and attitude. A winner needs to have a dose of ego but there's also reflection and humility at play which I think are under developed in Rodger. 

 

But I've probably just made that up. 

[fuchsntf]

16 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said:

I agree with this. He’s a decent manager but he is still to prove he’s a great manager and he won’t be if he keeps believing his hype after a few good results.

As said before, he did well at Liverpool but didn’t see it through, he did well with us last year, didn’t see it through.

Maybe it’s his arrogance that gets in the way before it’s done.

Jose Mourinho won the UEFA Cup then Champions league back to back seasons. Fantastic achievement. Then the arrogance comes out ‘special one’ and he had the history to back it up, BR doesn’t.

Get us top 4 or a trophy and then we’re talking about a fantastic achievement that might elevate him to levels that he appears to think he is in his head but in reality isn’t at yet. 

The  team, the players, our heroes  Didnt see it through....They aint Bloody robots & they are profi-footballers...

Whether the squad couldnt carry the hidden injuries,or they werent mentality strong enough or both.

The games,the performances the selected players Fell short.....

We just werent Good enough,we just wasnt quite Good enough....Thats football !!! , but we had a Good go, the Big picture seems we has a squad have stepped

up a notch, thats what important now..

like many on here, I Too was disappointed & frustrated,but unlike many,

I Take our situation , we Fell short thats Football ,we start again i Dont see any point to go on & on negative campaigns...

 

Enjoy the football, Enjoy Now this season....Looking back and picking negatives from times gone means you havent seen,

or recognised how we are developing & improving....This club,this squad,with this manager have Just started on their Quest together.

I still der Rodgers First Full season as positive, Making because I See progress, It you are Club just hoping to Service around 14-10th 

You Dont fall Short of your aspirations, you compete for top 6,Aspire for consistent Top 4, Fall Short and we have learnt for the First time,

1-2 slips chattet those Now Desperate aspirations, some will forget themselves and will Fall into Entitlement node,without even thinking of earning

It & doing the hard yards...!!!

 

 

 

 

[foxile5]

7 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

No need to be quite so condescending.

 

Well the decision to go into a season without a large squad - and he was vocal about that - which didn't play out. Very risky and it cost us a champions league place. Disappointing. This was blamed on the chairman not investing. Poor form and poor decision. 

 

Bournemouth 1-0 and he takes of Kelechi. Arrogant to assume we've got that sewn up. We lose 3-1 and he publicly throws Kelechi under the bus saying he wasn't playing well. Again, bit of an arrogant move and then blames someone else. 

 

He decisions are, sometimes, made poorly and in line with a bit of hubris. I think he could improve on that area. 

 

I agree he's the best we can do, that doesn't mean that I think there aren't elements that can be changed in his management and attitude. A winner needs to have a dose of ego but there's also reflection and humility at play which I think are under developed in Rodger. 

 

But I've probably just made that up. 

And just for posterity - this entire post is made on the backdrop of my thinking him to be absolutely the man to take us forward and with unequivocal support. 

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, foxile5 said:

No need to be quite so condescending. 

I'd love to know how a simple request for an explanation could be perceived as condescending. 

 

I accept you have that perception, I don't accept the validity of the perception. You've not said anything to really challenge that yet. I've suffered with people fitting my actions into their pre-conceived notion of my motives before, so forgive me standing my ground a little.