‘Probably got lucky’: Brendan Rodgers claims he’s overlooked because he’s British

[Phube]

Just compare our completely in unheralded Europa League results (coupled with wins afterwards) with Wolves’ amazing play and results in the Europa league last year (coupled with drawing their first 10 PL games or so).

[Babylon]

You only had to watch the pre match show to see he's right.

[baldeagle]

10 minutes ago, Xen said:

 

I knew he wasn't as well-decorated as the praise he gets would otherwise make you believe, but your comment made me look up what he's actually won and, well...

 

A few second-tier honours with Leeds, a few cup final defeats, some inconsequential international honours and a couple of Argentinian league titles in the early 90s. That's pretty abysmal, in all honesty.

 

Poch gets the same kind of hype and his honours amount to winning manager of the month a couple of times 

[Nalis]

It is true, British managers arent as sexy as their european counterparts. Reckon Wolves would get so much more stick if Nuno was British.

 

 

[Les-TA-Jon]

It suits us anyhow - us being under the radar - both Rodgers and the team - long may it continue and us rock up and beat people

[Dan]

2 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

Spot on, you’ve only got to look at the Biesla love in, a bloke who has managed for 30 odd years and won nothing of note, yet gets raved about as the greatest manager ever. Give it a rest, most overrated PL manager in the history of PL. 

If he was Mark Boshop from Grimsby no one would give him the time of day.

Honestly, I like the bloke and his approach to the game, I have nothing against him, but his CV is actually so so underwhelming.

[Guest SO1]

50 minutes ago, Phube said:

Just compare our completely in unheralded Europa League results (coupled with wins afterwards) with Wolves’ amazing play and results in the Europa league last year (coupled with drawing their first 10 PL games or so).

That was one of my biggest fears this season is the drop off in the league. So far we've made it look easy.

[fuchsntf]

2 hours ago, lcfceaves said:

How'd we lose 3-0 at home to West Ham and 1-0 at home to Villa then 

 

I give him credit as I predicted 0 points from next 4 games (after Villa defeat), so well done, but that stinks of arrogance to me after a couple of wins... Almost like he has forgotten about our poor home form. 

That wasnt the point he or some Posters were  making...

In all respect i Think your missing the point....

 

Plus those 2 lost games, it seems Rodgers, fringe players,and returning players are Learning their lessons.

in Sport you are always dropping Off ,Losing put some days, but its Now your coach & ourselves learn & Pick up from it...

because After the Good runs,you will still have to learn something new,it depends on if you can find other ways to get & keep on top of things.

Plus if Faced with problems,even struggling ,One can still urch out results & Stand your ground. Sometimes turning low periods into positive results.

This is often in builing up your confidence in things you do,and what you change...

 

We are seeing Things about our players, and Brendan Rodgers strengths in flexability and System adaption,und aptitude....

this doesn't mean they Song occasionally Fall flat in their faces,its how we get up and find more consistency to Keep us competing at an higher level.

In the past we would Fall foul ,lose confidence und became a yo-yo team, Now we have found a way with top owners,

a Good board, Top Football manager,and quality player investment deep into the squad,that has and is giving us our best era in our history....

 

Before we were just Happy to be,Now it seems we have decided to dare...With that we will still have some off days,but more consistent ones..!!

[Webbo]

I can't see Man U appointing an ex Liverpool manager especially with the compensation they'd have to pay us. Pochettino is the obvious choice. 

[Dan]

Seriously, you've got to give him some credit where it's due, I think I'm reluctant with him because he's the most hit and miss manager I think I've ever seen - he's capable of brilliance but just as capable of madness. He's handled the last few games spot on for me, yet I could just as easily see him going and doing something totally bonkers against Wolves that backfires, that's what's frustrating about Rodgers.

 

He deserves a lot of credit for how we've started though. Could you imagine the reaction if Leeds had done that to us yesterday?

 

British players often get overrated. British coaches often get underrated, and harsher criticism than they deserve.

[Corky]

At times I think he still suffers from the Brentan, Deluded Brendan stuff. But on the other hand, not too much noise was made outside of the club about the throwing away of top four last season.

 

I'm not surprised he's given a bit back after the Leeds and Bielsa love-in last night, though.

[Kingleicester]

I’ll comment on this after the next 2 home games 

[Leeds Fox]

7 hours ago, leicesterseddon said:

Have to say I have been taken aback by the Bielsa raving in the media. 
 

Maybe it’s because he’s a new face to the usual cast of characters in the PL?

 

Maybe it’s because he sits on his potty thing during the game? 

I think it’s probably be because most of the best managers of the current crop give credit to Bielsa. Saying they learned so much from him etc. 

[fox766]

https://talksport.com/football/783627/

 

Read this from TalkSport from Simon Jordan. Not his biggest fan but fair play to him.

 

Hope the link works 

[Stadt]

British managers get a free ride in the traditionally football press and with broadcasters. Every time a British manager is underachieving and is rightfully sacked the “be careful what you wish for brigade” comes out in force. Hughton never came in for much criticism despite limping over the line with an expensive and turgid Brighton team. Potter has replaced him and Brighton are better now but they’re massively unconvincing.

 

If Potter was a Swedish bloke not getting results playing progressive football all

sorts of tired tropes would be trotted out. The likes of Hughes, Allardyce and Pardew never get scathing pieces written about them in the same way other dross but foreign premier league managers have.

 

As for British mangers not getting chances at the top clubs - Rodgers had his chance and didn’t succeed. Hodgson wasn’t a success. Dyche has done well with Burnley but a compact 442 to isn’t an obvious fit for say, Manchester United and their aspirations. Eddie Howe doesn’t what 5 Pal seasons and a few hundred million not improving his defence every year. Lampard undeservedly got a chance in the face of it. Dean Smith, does he deserve a chance at a bigger club? No. Wilder has done well with Sheffield United but he has done anything to warrant a much bigger job? No.

 

There’s more British managers in the PL

than there has been for a long while - Rodgers is the only one that has elevated a team into the upper echelons of the league for quite some time

[davieG]

42 minutes ago, fox766 said:

https://talksport.com/football/783627/

 

Read this from TalkSport from Simon Jordan. Not his biggest fan but fair play to him.

 

Hope the link works 

I think it's more of an issue with certain parts of the media than the clubs themselves

[sacreblueits442]

8 hours ago, AKCJ said:

Probably a bit of both.

 

I do think that it's a common trope to say that British managers all play some form of long ball without much notice paid to tactics.

 

Look at Bruce vs Ancelotti. Bruce set his team up perfectly and got a well earned 2-1 win. I've not seen many people praising Bruce for it but i've seen a lot of people making excuses for Ancelotti. 

 

Brendan has set his team up perfectly in each of our away games so far. We have 5/5 wins to show for it. 

...our injury situation has called for a different approach and the approach now adopted by Rodgers is a defensive tactic which now serves us well!!!

Using a back three with attacking Wing Backs, coupled with a counter attacking style has given us the edge in games we have previously struggled to get a result in. All this talk of "A Masterclass" seems to have gone to his head and it seems to have stemmed from the Man. City victory where he admits he has changed his philosophy in the way he sees the game and it is now evident you can see he is no longer a purist.

   A Deep Block, playing on the counter is much the Ranieri style of play and no one was shouting "A Masterclass" then and we know counter attacking has always been in our DNA. 

   Bielsa failed to adjust and like Rodgers previously, he will struggle to make his system work as he played right into our hands and I suspect we would rather be playing teams who want to come forward than the teams willing to "sit" where we will need someone like Ünder to unlock a defense. The interesting part will be when we get all the players available, will Rodgers go back to taking on the big teams like before or can he hold on to his new found understanding that these teams struggle against a certain style of play and if they continue to play total football we have the ability to undermine what ever they do.

[Hollyfox]

If Lamps fails at Chelsea, then Brendan will be one of the favourites, if he keeps Leicester in and around the top 6.

 

Could well be a job that would appeal to him, given his previous employment with them. 

 

Lamps will get a good bit of time though, so I'm not worrying about it just yet

[adejo92]

In fairness, whilst he is doing well currently, so I feel a bit bad saying this - but what note worthy accomplishments has he got other than those in the Scottish pub league?

 

He has to be some what accountable for how last season ended and whilst he's made a promising start to this season, it will be our end stance that matters.

 

We all know Leicester well enough to know that we'll probably spunk the 3 points gained against Man City when we play Fulham or something.

 

Anyway, positive head back on,  im please we have him.

 

[davieG]

On reflection I think it's more to do with the clubs he and other Brit Managers are managing.

 

No one really takes any club outside the Media 6 seriously and that includes their managers by default.

 

Even when we won the League Ranieri was often treated like everyone's grandad and a bit of a joke.

[PaulW]

What more does the man have to do to win over the naysayers! 

 

We have won every game we've played thus far in the Europa League,

We sit second in the Prem., one point behind the lauded Liverpool team,

We've done it with almost 50% of our first choice players out injured. 

 

Give the guy a break!

[nwl fox]

13 hours ago, davieG said:

On reflection I think it's more to do with the clubs he and other Brit Managers are managing.

 

No one really takes any club outside the Media 6 seriously and that includes their managers by default.

 

Even when we won the League Ranieri was often treated like everyone's grandad and a bit of a joke.

He played up to that massively though. That in itself was almost a masterclass in how to take the pressure off your players in such an intense and unknown situation for them. For me it was actually the biggest contribution Ranieri played in the title win, and I'm not sure it's always recognised for how significant it was. 

[Nicolo Barella]

No need to shit on Bielsa, guys. He's a weird manager and he's barely won anything of note, but it's undeniable that he has been a huge influence on many of the most modern, innovative managers of the last 20 years. There's a reason he's so hyped up. Brendan himself will have been influenced by Bielsa's footballing ideas.

[deanolegend1989]

He’s right that British managers are seen as not fashionable and the reason why a big 6 club always employs a fashionable name whose foreign and dressed smarty , rather than a typical scruffy Englishman.

 

However , despite him doing a ‘decent’ job with us, he needs to stop singing his own song. He’s a decent manager, but just like last season when he gets a huge salary upgrade BEFORE he’s actually achieved anything, he needs to shut up and finish the job before he starts self proclaiming that he’s some modern day Alex Ferguson.

We have a fantastic squad and he’s not doing some miracle job getting us this high like we’re Swansea or West Brom. He’s doing a decent job BUT with a very good set of players at an unfashionable club.

Our scouting is incredible which has given him fantastic tools to work with and he is doing a pretty decent but not ‘unbelievable’ job.

With our squad we should be getting 5-7th really and that’s a pretty decent season.

For me to think Rodgers is a ‘great’ manager, he needs to do great things.

Top 4 AND/OR a trophy would be a fantastic achievement and something to suggest he’s a ‘great’ manager. If we get 5-7th that’s decent but not a ‘great achievement’ and lower and it’s if anything a failure.

 

Its too early to see yet, good start granted but still massive flaws.

Arsenal and Leeds take the game to us. No respect for us , believe they can win and it backfired. Leaving space for us plays into our hands.

Wolves at home is exactly the type of game , Brendan struggles against.

They will come and play 3 Cbs and sit deep and Vardy tightly marked. They will use Jimenez as an out ball and Troare off the bench to stretch us later in the game. These are the games where our style will struggle because quick counters won’t work and we’ll have to open them up through quick passing and possession. Let’s see if Brendan can change adequately for this test. 

[HighPeakFox]

Presumably somebody will be given the Pontus job on Jimenez, therefore...