Why are we so s##t when we go a goal down?

[tickler28]

I should say in complete contrast to this we are decent when we go a goal up.

 

I get that teams sit back if they're winning and come forward if they're losing but this has been an issue the last 3 managers haven't been able to resolve......surely there must be a change of approach? It' appears to me like we are beaten already when we go a goal down....have zero clues what to do and continue to play as if we were 1 goal up or it was nil nil.

[The whole world smiles]

Sorry for letting cold hard facts get in the way of your little negative, pity party but.... 

 

We have the 4th most points in the league after falling a goal behind this season and the 7th most last season. 

 

Close thread. 

[Mark_w]

We beat Man City and Burnley coming from behind, drew after being behind three times against Braga. Is there any scientific basis for thinking we're worse than the average when going behind? Or is this just a baseless reaction to us losing to Everton?

[SecretPro]

It's not when we go down a goal, we are just soft in general. We have no leaders on the pitch, nobody who can take the game by the scruff of the neck, flare players that produce 1 good game to every 10 shit ones, no agression (other than Kasper), no nastiness, nobody willing to take control. It;s been a problem for a number of seasons now. We are too nice, too soft and too passive.

[tickler28]

You lot are ostriches if you think there's not an issue with our approach when we go a goal behind. I'm referring to at home. Burnley was an exception because they're shit. Man City never sit back at home when 1 goal up. Look at the facts and do your research and you'll find that we have an awful record (at home) over the past 2 years of coming back in games

[tickler28]

Whenever a team have a lead to defend at the King Power they think Xmas has come early. We couldn't break down a bloody Easter Egg with our slow methodical approach. By all means close thread and return heads in sand.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

10 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

Sorry for letting cold hard facts get in the way of your little negative, pity party but.... 

 

We have the 4th most points in the league after falling a goal behind this season and the 7th most last season. 

 

Close thread. 

 

A different note, but isn't that a bit double-edged? If you go behind with more regularity, there's more chance to claim points from losing positions.

 

I'd sooner be down the arse end of that stat because we're going ahead and seeing ties out.

 

[sacreblueits442]

20 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

Sorry for letting cold hard facts get in the way of your little negative, pity party but.... 

 

We have the 4th most points in the league after falling a goal behind this season and the 7th most last season. 

 

Close thread. 

...if I recall after seeing the chart regarding this, this season we have garnered 6 points from games we have gone a goal down!!!

  We may be 4th in a league in this respect but it is not a stat we really want to build a concensus around.

Edited 17 December 2020 by sacreblueits442

[goose2010]

4 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

Whenever a team have a lead to defend at the King Power they think Xmas has come early. We couldn't break down a bloody Easter Egg with our slow methodical approach. By all means close thread and return heads in sand.

Not sure supporting Leicester is for you pal. Maybe go and support a bigger team that has the budget to rotate their squad week in week out. A team that has world class stars on their benches and not even in their Squads that would walk into most teams. 

 

Last night we have chances to get back into the game after going 1 down we just didn't take them. Everton are a good team with a world class manager they set up well and out played us these kind of games happen when you support Leicester. 

[Babylon]

8 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

You lot are ostriches if you think there's not an issue with our approach when we go a goal behind. I'm referring to at home. Burnley was an exception because they're shit. Man City never sit back at home when 1 goal up. Look at the facts and do your research and you'll find that we have an awful record (at home) over the past 2 years of coming back in games

 

[Babylon]

Home matches...

 

 

[tickler28]

1 minute ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...if I recall after seinf the chart regarding this, this season we have garnered 6 points from games we have gone a goal down!!!

  We may be 4th in a league in this respect but it is not a stat we really want to build a concensus around.

Plus I've covered both those matches Burnley - shite and Man City - never protect a lead

[Babylon]

1 minute ago, tickler28 said:

Plus I've covered both those matches Burnley - shite and Man City - never protect a lead

"If you ignore all the things that prove me wrong, I'm correct". 

 

Now, I don't particularly like our attitude when we go behind. There is a distinct lack of urgency in our play, but the stats show we're better than most. 

[tickler28]

3 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Home matches...

 

 

We're talking 2 matches here.....Burnley with a million players injured at home and Man City who never sit back and protect a lead. These stats are pointless in arguing my point

[tickler28]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

"If you ignore all the things that prove me wrong, I'm correct". 

 

Now, I don't particularly like our attitude when we go behind. There is a distinct lack of urgency in our play, but the stats show we're better than most. 

Yes but it's like 2 matches (1 being away) that youre using to make your point.....hardly the basis of a good case 😆

[Babylon]

Just now, tickler28 said:

Yes but it's like 2 matches (1 being away) that youre using to make your point.....hardly the basis of a good case 😆

Is the entirety of last season good enough for you? 

 

 

[Mark_w]

13 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

Yes but it's like 2 matches (1 being away) that youre using to make your point.....hardly the basis of a good case 😆

You aren't using any evidence at all to make your case though? If you presented any compelling evidence people might take it seriously. You can't laugh at the evidence other people are presenting to disprove your theory, and then fail to provide any evidence to support your own.

[martyn]

That stat showing total points gained from losing positions has limited value.

 

Per capita, i.e. total points from losing positions / games fallen behind in would be a much better metric.

Edited 17 December 2020 by martyn

[Sampson]

It's just a modern football trend in the era of marginal gains and tactics become much more refined and perfected and every team largely plays the same way.

 

Teams go compact and are hard to break down once they go ahead.

 

We do it to other teams as well.

[Cincinnati Fox]

50 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

Sorry for letting cold hard facts get in the way of your little negative, pity party but.... 

 

We have the 4th most points in the league after falling a goal behind this season and the 7th most last season. 

 

Close thread. 

Proves vital the 1st goal is. 

[coolhandfox]

It's not about going behind, it's more our ability to break down a team sitting in a deep block.

 

 

[hejammy]

5 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

It's not about going behind, it's more our ability to break down a team sitting in a deep block.

 

 

yes and inevitably if a team goes 1 up (especially if they are away from home) they will try and defend that lead with a deep block. That's why, especially at home the first goal is so important

[Babylon]

16 minutes ago, martyn said:

That stat showing total points gained from losing positions has limited value.

 

Per capita, i.e. total points from losing positions / games fallen behind in would be a much better metric.

You can easily compare it to others and make that judgement and we're fine. Only 4 people fell behind less than us, so the fact we're 7th in terms of points over a whole season means we're actually quite good at getting points back. 

[ealingfox]

39 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Is the entirety of last season good enough for you? 

 

 

 

God which team was so shite they went in front against Bournemouth and still lost? 

[Always Next Year]

16 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

It's not about going behind, it's more our ability to break down a team sitting in a deep block.

 

 

If we got the ball forward quickly instead of playing about with it at the back we would not have to face a team sitting in a deep block.

Everton came with a plan to shut out our most dangerous players and it worked, did we have a plan for there’s NO we let them have the freedom to attack time and time again.