Why are we so s##t when we go a goal down?

[Stadt]

If we can’t out play a team we come unstuck. We really lack aggression and physicality - our midfield trio the other night were 5’6, 5’9 and 5’9. None of them are good defensively or very quick either so it’s no surprise Doucoure and Allan were too much for them 

[deanolegend1989]

5 hours ago, Stadt said:

If we can’t out play a team we come unstuck. We really lack aggression and physicality - our midfield trio the other night were 5’6, 5’9 and 5’9. None of them are good defensively or very quick either so it’s no surprise Doucoure and Allan were too much for them 

Tielemens is bigger than 5’9? Should be somewhat physical. Wilf is the huge miss, the sooner he’s back in the better. He’s played one game in the destroyer role all season , it’s no coincidence that it comes in the best convincing dominant performance we’ve had.

[Guest Danny Clender]

[blaaklint]

clearly the stats from last season show we're actually relatively good coming from behind. i would hazard a guess its bc (most of the time) we're relatively good.

 

as for why we don't come from behind more often than we do, it's because football is a low scoring game. normally the team that scores first wins. as a general rule teams don't come from behind without them either a) being considerably better than their opponent, b) being lucky or c) their opponent making a tactical mistake.

 

what says more about your team than coming from behind is going behind in the first place.

[fuchsntf]

Before the return of N'didi...

With the Chronic injury status..This "Team" ( Not individual players) But the team IMO, over this period

was Good enough for Top 10-7...They have until Now pulled out positions between Top 5-1..so better than expected..!!

No retoure please, because of other Teams quality,..always a lazy,nonsensical, ilogical argument.

I believe even with the obvious frustrating situation, we have Held our ...own

And I for One Dont believe we have been awful,shit or crap,we have a 19 year old,und 88% of the time a young experienced Bline,with

a couple of older legends, Carrying irritating needs-nursing knocks, trying to Paper over those injury problems cracks..

 

We will still have to the  fight all the  Way through the festive- period, with the returning top players who will also need time to bed in..

Maddison is also still a returnee..!!

Why oh why all this Silly over analyse, based on false  in depth diagnose....

 

Edited 18 December 2020 by fuchsntf

[Guest worth_the_wait]

9 hours ago, Stadt said:

If we can’t out play a team we come unstuck. We really lack aggression and physicality - our midfield trio the other night were 5’6, 5’9 and 5’9.

There was a documentary some years ago (might've been Barry Fry at Birmingham or Peterborough, not sure).  But I think the owner of the club had a rule "never buy anyone under 6' tall."

 

It sounded a bit strange at the time, but as the years have gone on, I've seen lots of games where that has made sense.   Wednesday night was probably the clearest example.   Practicaly every Everton player was towering above our players.

 

Until they ban heading in football altogether, a big physical presence is still important.

 

(obviously there are always exeptions to the rule.   We didn't have many big players in 2015-16, and still did rather well.)

 

But the general point stands, once passing becomes a stalemate - it will be corners, freekicks and winning aerial challenges that often win a game.

 

<Edited to say: Before anyone states it, yes obviously I'd rather have a pocket-sized Maradona or Messi, rather than some giant lump of lard.   My point is, all things equal, I'd rather have big 6'2" players rather than small 5'8" players.>

Edited 18 December 2020 by worth_the_wait

[Grebfromgrebland]

Looking at the Everton game in isolation Brendan was simply out thought by ancholotti. 

 

Everton was always going to make us look toothless because we had no answer to their very smart blocking off of all our passing lanes which we'd practiced over and over again and therefore makes us predictable.

 

They know where we were going to pass the ball and countered that. Once your entire game plan is sussed out then you're screwed.

 

This is where we miss someone like Mahrez.

 

 

[Stadt]

7 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Tielemens is bigger than 5’9? Should be somewhat physical. Wilf is the huge miss, the sooner he’s back in the better. He’s played one game in the destroyer role all season , it’s no coincidence that it comes in the best convincing dominant performance we’ve had.

He’s listed as 5’9 on pretty much every source. He looks like he’s the same height as Maddison in most photos and games - it’s his lack of pace too. Kante is short but his stamina, aggression and pace make him immensely more physically capable than Tielemans or Maddison. Neither of whom are strong runners. I’m increasingly of the opinion that Maddison and Tielemans just can’t really play well together because they’re too similar 

Edited 18 December 2020 by Stadt

[Fox92]

3 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Looking at the Everton game in isolation Brendan was simply out thought by ancholotti. 

 

Everton was always going to make us look toothless because we had no answer to their very smart blocking off of all our passing lanes which we'd practiced over and over again and therefore makes us predictable.

 

They know where we were going to pass the ball and countered that. Once your entire game plan is sussed out then you're screwed.

 

This is where we miss someone like Mahrez.

 

 

I said it in the Maddison thread.

 

We don't have anybody to change the game like Mahrez did. It's hard to compare because Mahrez was that good so was always gonna be a big miss but I even look at Villa with Grealish and Barkley now and I think those players have the ability to win the game from nothing where as I don't think we have that personally.

[deanolegend1989]

4 hours ago, Stadt said:

He’s listed as 5’9 on pretty much every source. He looks like he’s the same height as Maddison in most photos and games - it’s his lack of pace too. Kante is short but his stamina, aggression and pace make him immensely more physically capable than Tielemans or Maddison. Neither of whom are strong runners. I’m increasingly of the opinion that Maddison and Tielemans just can’t really play well together because they’re too similar 

Ah fairs, always seemed to think YT was a bit bigger than that. Madders and Vardy I’d guess around 5’9 from when I’ve seen them in person walking in before but thought Youri seemed bigger like 5’11ish.

Either way when Wilf is back he’s our metal. Him and Youri work well together as they both compliment each other’s strengths. The question should be whose the 3rd cog?

Theres a fair argument between Praet and Madders.

I think I’d go with Madders in games vs teams who open up and like to pass and not sit deep or the weak teams and Praet vs the more solid physical teams with energy and power like the Leeds, West Hams , Everton’s, Newcastle’s, Wolves type games.

[SheppyFox]

On 17/12/2020 at 12:32, The whole world smiles said:

Sorry for letting cold hard facts get in the way of your little negative, pity party but.... 

 

We have the 4th most points in the league after falling a goal behind this season and the 7th most last season. 

 

Close thread. 

 

[Heskey2011]

Coz the lads get all randy anticipating all the negging they'll get on here.

[Kingleicester]

Our mental strength is poor 

[Clever Fox]

19 hours ago, Stadt said:

If we can’t out play a team we come unstuck. We really lack aggression and physicality - our midfield trio the other night were 5’6, 5’9 and 5’9. None of them are good defensively or very quick either so it’s no surprise Doucoure and Allan were too much for them 

You're right and that's the problem and it's one I'm sure Brendan is aware of but can't so much about in the short term. Unless he signs someone in the Window. Unlikely unless someone leaves.

I do think we missed a great opportunity by not signing Dacoure in the Summer as he's the type we need.

Now all Brendan can do is try playing Fofana or Amartey in midfield alongside Wilf. As they seem the most likely to fill the role.

While we continue to allow teams onto our penalty area we're always going to ship Goals.

[Stadt]

45 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

You're right and that's the problem and it's one I'm sure Brendan is aware of but can't so much about in the short term. Unless he signs someone in the Window. Unlikely unless someone leaves.

I do think we missed a great opportunity by not signing Dacoure in the Summer as he's the type we need.

Now all Brendan can do is try playing Fofana or Amartey in midfield alongside Wilf. As they seem the most likely to fill the role.

While we continue to allow teams onto our penalty area we're always going to ship Goals.

Praet Youri

Ndidi

is our most balanced set up, especially as Barnes and Ünder aren’t the most diligent 

[Sunbury Fox]

I'm increasingly of the view that we are a better team with Youri and Praet together in midfield. Problem is that means Maddison ends up as a wide forward, which doesn't suit him at all, or on the bench. 

[Oxfordfox83]

On 17/12/2020 at 12:44, tickler28 said:

Whenever a team have a lead to defend at the King Power they think Xmas has come early. We couldn't break down a bloody Easter Egg with our slow methodical approach. By all means close thread and return heads in sand.

It’s not that you’re wrong...

 

oh no, what it is is: you’re wrong

[whoareyaaa]

9 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

I'm increasingly of the view that we are a better team with Youri and Praet together in midfield. Problem is that means Maddison ends up as a wide forward, which doesn't suit him at all, or on the bench. 

Have we not won more games with Praet and Youri than Youri and Maddison? 

[deep blue]

17 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Tielemens is bigger than 5’9? Should be somewhat physical. Wilf is the huge miss, the sooner he’s back in the better. He’s played one game in the destroyer role all season , it’s no coincidence that it comes in the best convincing dominant performance we’ve had.

It was obvious that playing Ndidi at CB and bringing in a tiny Mendy significantly reduced our ability to compete in the air as compared, for example, with taking a chance on Morgan or even Fuchs at CB. Moreover, it removed Ndidi's strength and athleticism at DCM.  For example, he might have reached Richarlison and prevent his releasing a shot for the first goal. Our midfield was frail and easily bossed.

[Clever Fox]

3 hours ago, Stadt said:

Praet Youri

Ndidi

is our most balanced set up, especially as Barnes and Ünder aren’t the most diligent 

Yes a decent blend which has worked but only when we get a foothold in midfield.

Against the bigger teams we struggle because neither Youri or Praet are good enough defensively or quick enough. Mendy at least tackles. Youri makes token tackles which are no good against the like of Liverpool and I expect Spurs come Sunday.

[Carl the Llama]

On 17/12/2020 at 22:58, tickler28 said:

In 2020 Leicester have been leading matches at home in the league 6 times and have won every match they were leading....not a single point dropped at home from a leading position.

 

In 2020 Leicester have been trailing at home 9 times.....of those 9 times they managed 4 points. 1 against Chelsea and 3 against Burnley this season. All the other 7 matches ended in a defeat.

 

Yes I probably didn't put my point across very well at the start and should have stated Home matches and for that I apologise but hopefully these stats I present......no points dropped all year from a winning position at home and yet only 4 gained from a possible 27 in losing positions highlights the original point I was trying to make.

But your prognosis is still wrong.  You say the problem is how we respond to going behind which by all accounts we're better than most at.  Which is fortunate given the problem is how frequently we find ourselves going behind in the first place.

[jim5000]

On 17/12/2020 at 12:38, SecretPro said:

It's not when we go down a goal, we are just soft in general. We have no leaders on the pitch, nobody who can take the game by the scruff of the neck, flare players that produce 1 good game to every 10 shit ones, no agression (other than Kasper), no nastiness, nobody willing to take control. It;s been a problem for a number of seasons now. We are too nice, too soft and too passive.

We need Big Wes for a game or two to instill some fighting spirit into the team

[CosbehFox]

Worth bringing this up today 

[Carl the Llama]

10 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Worth bringing this up today 

Yep, further evidence it's not the response to going behind that's lacking

[The whole world smiles]

9 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Worth bringing this up today 

Good point not to mention the braga game where we went behind 3 times.