Slow backwards boring football until we're losing

[Guest worth_the_wait]

42 minutes ago, Corky said:

We look like a team worried to lose the ball and get caught out. I don't think he wants to play slow, backwards football but just doesn't want us chasing back desperately if we lose it. Doesn't make for exciting games, I grant you, but I don't get the Puel comparisons at all.

 

Trouble is ... I think the comparisions are very real.  

 

When we were playing slow/sidewards football, Puel kept on saying he wanted "intensity".    In fact, his 3 favourite words in interviews were "intensity, intensity and intensity".   He wanted more speed.   i'm sure he wasn't asking the players to slow it down.

[Corky]

1 hour ago, worth_the_wait said:

Trouble is ... I think the comparisions are very real.  

 

When we were playing slow/sidewards football, Puel kept on saying he wanted "intensity".    In fact, his 3 favourite words in interviews were "intensity, intensity and intensity".   He wanted more speed.   i'm sure he wasn't asking the players to slow it down.

Rodgers style appears to be keeping it tight in the first half and then playing with more freedom in the second. We can't defend which makes it look like we're chasing the game when we concede.

 

We're generally strong finishers in matches but the first halves are often non-events.

[coolhandfox]

3 minutes ago, Corky said:

Rodgers style appears to be keeping it tight in the first half and then playing with more freedom in the second. We can't defend which makes it look like we're chasing the game when we concede.

 

We're generally strong finishers in matches but the first halves are often non-events.

Think it driven by the fact we can't defend.

 

As a manager your instinct is going to make you set your team up more defensively if you are conceding soft goals. 

[honeybradger]

"If vardy had scored the penalty everyone would be happy on here"

 

No, we would have the same opinion about the performance but people on here ( usually the one's saying the above) would be telling us not to complain when we've won.

[Kilworthfox]

3 hours ago, Matt said:

I said last night, we're just going through the motions now.

 

Do I want him to go? Not really. (Would I be sad to see him go? Not really)

 

Why? Because i'm not really sure who we'll replace him with and whoever we replace him with will probably play the same shite anyway so what's the point..

 

It's just a major issue within the game atm, i'm a big believer of cycles within football and this is a cycle that I think will be coming to an end shortly and the next style will be the 'in' way to play, i'm predicting it to change when Pep leaves Man City in summer 2023 with abit of luck.

 

A change within football can't come soon enough though.

 

You are right, it is beyond stupid to think there is only 1 way to be successful in football. 

 

 

 

 

[Fox1norfolk]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

Think it driven by the fact we can't defend.

 

As a manager your instinct is going to make you set your team up more defensively if you are conceding soft goals. 

Defence is a major concern, when the opposition get a corner or set piece situation nerves seem to set in. Is the defence coaching good enough ? A classic example of how a very good defence coach can make a dramatic difference is Leicester Tigers their performances have been transformed this season after they signed Kevin Sinson from Rugby League as the defence coach. The new main coach obviously helps, but to achieve a unbeaten run of games this season proves quite a lot.

 

Since Rogers has been here the football has improved considerably, but defence has not

[sacreblueits442]

8 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Leeds will be interesting on Sunday because we know what they're like - they'll come at us and attack - be interesting to see how we cope and if we just go back at them.

Got potential for lots of goals.

...play with a flat back five and counter or with a back four and three in the middle with two upfront!!!

  Looks like it could be an amazing game and we can't setup and play into their hands.

[Corky]

2 hours ago, honeybradger said:

"If vardy had scored the penalty everyone would be happy on here"

 

No, we would have the same opinion about the performance but people on here ( usually the one's saying the above) would be telling us not to complain when we've won.

Not everyone would've been happy but the team would've done it's job.

[deep blue]

4 hours ago, Corky said:

Not everyone would've been happy but the team would've done it's job.

Isn't part of it's job to entertain the spectators?

[Corky]

14 minutes ago, deep blue said:

Isn't part of it's job to entertain the spectators?

The job is to win. Entertainment is subjective.

[HighPeakFox]

I saw the words 'slow-backwards-boring' and I must say I found myself intrigued as to what the next word would be.

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

Did anyone else see the moment, around 75 minutes where Soumare' lost it with shear frustration and aimed it at Soyuncu?  Went on for about 10 seconds after the play had moved on.

 

After some words back, Soyuncu turned his back and gave one of his customary arm waves. 

 

I'm all for passion, but something isn't right this season and its brewing up bad........

 

Maybe they're all getting hacked off passing sideways  <-------->

[shailen]

Playing the way we do may be boring, slow and backwards, but the way we play is to control games. It is the right way to play imo but needs to executed correctly. 

 

We're generally quite good in the execution but we've been caught out far too often on the break as we've not been able to win second balls and recycle possession and also individual errors have cost us too often this season. That won't change if we play the counter attacking style, as these are just the basics. 

 

In terms of boredom, when we beat Saints 9-0 and had other big wins by four or five goals, I didn't hear anyone complaining about our style of play then which hasn't changed. All we're doing at the moment is executing it poorly. 

[Swalshed]

18 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

Did anyone else see the moment, around 75 minutes where Soumare' lost it with shear frustration and aimed it at Soyuncu?  Went on for about 10 seconds after the play had moved on.

 

After some words back, Soyuncu turned his back and gave one of his customary arm waves. 

 

I'm all for passion, but something isn't right this season and its brewing up bad........

 

Maybe they're all getting hacked off passing sideways  <-------->

Did anyone also see Soyuncu dribble the ball totally unopposed to within about 3 yards of Lookman before passing it to him, giving  Lookman absolutely nowhere to go? 

 

[volpeazzurro]

12 hours ago, Corky said:

Rodgers style appears to be keeping it tight in the first half and then playing with more freedom in the second. We can't defend which makes it look like we're chasing the game when we concede.

 

We're generally strong finishers in matches but the first halves are often non-events.

Whilst I agree with your first observation, he still had this cautious approach with a near fully fit team and his formation and selection mirrored it. You wouldn't have to send smoke signals to opposition managers, even their tea ladies would guess the Leicester City tactics. 

 

Supporters then proceed to watch a pitifully dull first half hoping that the opposition doesn't score so that on 60/70 minutes Rodgers can invariably change personnel and formation so we look vaguely like a football team again. 

 

Yet, we're blessed with a number of attacking players that many an opposition manager would die for. Sometimes attack is the best form of attack, remember West Brom when Rodgers nearly blew his swede because we were 3 up at halftime?

 

The players must dread the first half team talk with poor Jamie swigging two prozac down with his Red Bull, Iheanacho listening to some calming music on his earphones, whilst Soyuncu and Evans put matchsticks in their eyelids before yet another long forgotten tale about possession and the wonders and peace to behold and gained in the gentle metronomic sideways and backwards movement of a football. 🤣 zzzzzz.

[The Year Of The Fox]

On 19/09/2021 at 22:42, tickler28 said:

I don't understand why we are so slow to get started in matches?!? We literally looked today for the first 45 minutes after a couple of attacks like we wanted to squeeze the life out of the match....saw so many backward passes I was beginning to think we were shooting the other way!! 

I get the need to pass it back at times and reset and choose your moments but at times this season we've taken it to the extreme and literally looked bereft of ideas....I'm not sure if its a lack of movement forward....lack of bravery....fear.....etc but I don't buy the fact that the other team are set up so well that we can't find some space....this was Brighton for christ sake.

 

We have to be more positive and look to play forwards more....if we lose high up the pitch so be it....we win it back.....its losing it in our own half that causes us the most issue at the minute. I think its time Brendan told the players to take the handbrake off a bit

I’ve had a massive massive Foxestalk exodus (going on years) and log on to find this thread. 
 

It’s precisely what I’ve been saying to my mates for months on end, to much ridicule.

 

When a games on TV and I’m not there, I usually find myself turning off way before HT

 

I’m sick to death of sideways passes, absolutely no penetration, no ambition, and very little threat. Rodger’s is very one dimensional and we seem to be incapable of mixing it up, when 47 passes between our defence and midfield doesn’t result in a goal.

 

If you’ve ever played football, do you remember the crap training sessions where the manager would say, ‘Right, we’re having a game now, but without any goalposts. You’ve got to make 10 successive passes which then constitutes a goal’

 

I think Rodger’s must do those training sessions every single day

 

😴

 

 

 

[CosbehFox]

7 hours ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

Did anyone else see the moment, around 75 minutes where Soumare' lost it with shear frustration and aimed it at Soyuncu?  Went on for about 10 seconds after the play had moved on.

 

After some words back, Soyuncu turned his back and gave one of his customary arm waves. 

 

I'm all for passion, but something isn't right this season and its brewing up bad........

 

Maybe they're all getting hacked off passing sideways  <-------->

I’d be more worried if that wasn’t happening to be honest 

[Guest454545]

43 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

I’ve had a massive massive Foxestalk exodus (going on years) and log on to find this thread. 
 

It’s precisely what I’ve been saying to my mates for months on end, to much ridicule.

 

When a games on TV and I’m not there, I usually find myself turning off way before HT

 

I’m sick to death of sideways passes, absolutely no penetration, no ambition, and very little threat. Rodger’s is very one dimensional and we seem to be incapable of mixing it up, when 47 passes between our defence and midfield doesn’t result in a goal.

 

If you’ve ever played football, do you remember the crap training sessions where the manager would say, ‘Right, we’re having a game now, but without any goalposts. You’ve got to make 10 successive passes which then constitutes a goal’

 

I think Rodger’s must do those training sessions every single day

 

😴

 

 

 

That's every Guardiola training session too though. It doesn't do his teams any harm. 

 

The difference is in the quality of attackers. City, Liverpool and Chelsea will have at least five players each who have scored more than 1 goal in the league. Leicester only have two players. Barnes, Perez and Lookman haven't even got off the mark yet in the league. Increase your goalscorers and the possession will look more purposeful

[Matt]

1 minute ago, Guest454545 said:

That's every Guardiola training session too though. It doesn't do his teams any harm. 

 

The difference is in the quality of attackers. City, Liverpool and Chelsea will have at least five players each who have scored more than 1 goal in the league. Leicester only have two players. Barnes, Perez and Lookman haven't even got off the mark yet in the league. Increase your goalscorers and the possession will look more purposeful

No, they’re just as boring.

[The Year Of The Fox]

4 minutes ago, Guest454545 said:

That's every Guardiola training session too though. It doesn't do his teams any harm. 

 

The difference is in the quality of attackers. City, Liverpool and Chelsea will have at least five players each who have scored more than 1 goal in the league. Leicester only have two players. Barnes, Perez and Lookman haven't even got off the mark yet in the league. Increase your goalscorers and the possession will look more purposeful

We have some brilliant attacking players, if utilised correctly

[Guest454545]

3 minutes ago, Matt said:

No, they’re just as boring.

And also highly successful

[Matt]

7 minutes ago, Guest454545 said:

And also highly successful

Through buying success and weakening opposition of which many people on here continually (and rightly) remind us we can’t compete with.

 

As much as it pains me to say I think Liverpool/Klopp’s teams are a lot more exciting to watch, doing a much more impressive job, on a far more modest budget compared to Man City/Any club where Pep’s been funded.

 

Edited 6 November 2021 by Matt

[Guest454545]

Just now, The Year Of The Fox said:

We have some brilliant attacking players, if utilised correctly

You have Vardy, Madison and Tielemans. Barnes flatters to deceive, Iheanacho is patchy and Daka is yet to hit his stride. I can't think of any others. 

[Guest454545]

4 minutes ago, Matt said:

Through buying success and weakening opposition of which many people on here continually (and rightly) remind us we can’t compete with.

 

As much as it pains me to say I think Liverpool/Klopp’s teams are a lot more exciting to watch, doing a much more impressive job, on a much more modest budget compared to Man City/Any club where Pep’s been funded.

 

Fair point, but they also have Firmino, Jota, Mane, Keira, and possibly the current best player in the world, Salah, while having one of the best defenders in the world at the back. And it took them 5 years to get to that stage. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

2 minutes ago, Guest454545 said:

You have Vardy, Madison and Tielemans. Barnes flatters to deceive, Iheanacho is patchy and Daka is yet to hit his stride. I can't think of any others. 

Barnes was forcing his way into the Euro 2020(1) England squad before his injury

 

Ian (if utilised correctly ie if playing with Vardy) is actually a constant threat (I can’t believe I’m saying that these days!) 

 

Daka- like you say, the jury’s still out for me yet. Clearly he knows where the net is, but if he becomes half as good as Vardy I’d be happy. 
 

Half of Rodgers’ problem and therefore Daka’s is not knowing his strongest side and so we chop and change too much. Never mind squad rotation, all games are must win at this stage of the season (and cups) and so we should be starting our strongest side